| -How women activists are silenced |
lwfern |
May-30-07 09:42 AM |
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Good post -- k&r |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 09:43 AM |
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Yes. K&R |
sfexpat2000 |
May-30-07 09:44 AM |
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Very nice post. |
Horse with no Name |
May-30-07 09:44 AM |
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I can't imagine letting stuff people say to me on the Internet getting to me. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 09:45 AM |
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It's not anonymous when they personally attack you. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
May-30-07 09:48 AM |
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Yep |
tavalon |
May-31-07 04:13 AM |
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Andy was sick... |
Cassandra |
May-31-07 03:08 PM |
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And they thought because I was a woman that I would cave somehow. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-01-07 08:27 PM |
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No, you don't understand it. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 09:53 AM |
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Threats of sexual violence and sexual aggression are scary |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 09:59 AM |
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Yes, it is scary. nt |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 10:25 AM |
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apologies |
lwfern |
May-30-07 11:17 AM |
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You just wrote something very significant |
Le Taz Hot |
May-31-07 07:52 AM |
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holy crap, seriously? |
GloriaSmith |
May-30-07 10:29 AM |
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Yup |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 10:33 AM |
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... |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-30-07 03:12 PM |
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I agree with you. |
Autobot77 |
May-30-07 08:39 PM |
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LostinVA, sorry to hear that |
smtpgirl |
May-30-07 09:02 PM |
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that's terrible........ |
Darth_Kitten |
May-30-07 09:31 PM |
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The thing is that it doesn't stay anonymous. |
China_cat |
May-30-07 10:24 AM |
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I don't use my real name on the Internet. nt |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 10:27 AM |
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if you're posting at home or work, it doesn't matter what name you use |
GloriaSmith |
May-30-07 10:31 AM |
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Do you really believe that protects you? |
China_cat |
May-30-07 10:42 AM |
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There's no such thing as being completely safe. But, despite vigorous... |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 10:44 AM |
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this why woman are verbally acosted, TOTAL anonymity |
smtpgirl |
May-30-07 09:14 PM |
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Once I posted on someone's blog and a rightwinger somehow found |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-31-07 08:41 AM |
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Try getting them as a public figure |
WilliamPitt |
May-30-07 11:12 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-31-07 03:02 PM |
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. |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 03:54 PM |
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. . . |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 03:58 PM |
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. |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 04:08 PM |
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Double post- delete |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 03:02 PM |
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Mook, if you had a picture of you photoshopped with a noose 'round *your* neck |
Book Lover |
May-30-07 12:06 PM |
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I didn't say it wouldn't upset me. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 02:06 PM |
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I apologize for my assumption |
Book Lover |
May-30-07 02:14 PM |
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Problemma nyet. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 02:27 PM |
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I think one point the OP and cited article are trying to make... |
TygrBright |
May-30-07 09:27 PM |
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It's TERRORISM - and when they threaten you, your family and post... |
Triana |
May-30-07 02:46 PM |
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Agreed Triana |
smtpgirl |
May-30-07 09:30 PM |
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You're a man, you can't get it. What you're saying is like |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 02:56 PM |
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Not so confusing. It has to do with whom one is identified with. |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 03:57 PM |
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Feminism needs to be revived on a national scale. |
rosesaylavee |
May-30-07 09:46 AM |
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sig line stuff |
lwfern |
May-30-07 10:04 PM |
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Why is Democratic Underground permitting these comments? |
defendandprotect |
May-31-07 07:33 PM |
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According to the DU Rules |
lwfern |
May-31-07 08:07 PM |
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The offending avatar is removed. |
rosesaylavee |
May-31-07 11:21 PM |
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Thank You! |
lwfern |
Jun-01-07 12:21 AM |
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Those in leadership positions set the tone, |
Lars39 |
May-30-07 09:49 AM |
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You're so right, but of course it won't be acknowledged. |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 04:18 PM |
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Agree about DU leadership as well as the use of 'bitch'. Few female avatars. nt |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 05:00 PM |
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...few female avatars.... |
sheeptramp |
May-30-07 07:59 PM |
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A lot of people have left DU because the |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 03:11 PM |
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Then *I'll* say it. |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 04:00 PM |
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I'd recommend this mulitiple times if I could |
Warpy |
May-30-07 09:50 AM |
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Good post n/t |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 10:00 AM |
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As the OP pointed out, women also engage in this behavior. I remember a thread |
John Q. Citizen |
May-31-07 11:50 AM |
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A Favorite Put-Down: "She's Shrill" |
vanlassie |
May-30-07 09:53 AM |
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Check out the way the dust up between O'Donnell and Hasel back was described. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 10:45 AM |
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Yeah add Rosie to the list for sure |
moonlady0623 |
May-30-07 04:17 PM |
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hey they even called Howard Dean shrill |
truedelphi |
May-30-07 12:42 PM |
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Yep, it makes sense to offer up truth for truth |
tavalon |
May-31-07 04:17 AM |
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O'Leilly uses that one all the time. |
Oregonian |
May-30-07 04:06 PM |
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That guy is the physical embodiment of "shrill". |
Telly Savalas |
Jun-01-07 08:52 PM |
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Calling someone a whore, for one |
AnnieBW |
May-30-07 10:22 PM |
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I have only enough time to recommend this post and kick it |
Cerridwen |
May-30-07 09:53 AM |
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Women can be like Boudica (probably called an A. W. by the Romans in AD 60) |
bambino |
May-30-07 09:55 AM |
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Boudica does rule! |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 10:01 AM |
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K&R!! bravo! |
unpossibles |
May-30-07 09:55 AM |
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Can we count on you standing up to other men here at DU when they |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 08:41 PM |
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You can count on me, but... |
Umbram |
May-31-07 01:30 AM |
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You know, you are probably right |
Morgana LaFey |
May-31-07 11:52 PM |
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Ok, I think I'm clear. |
Umbram |
Jun-01-07 05:34 PM |
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You don't believe in a "historical reality" of a movement -- |
Morgana LaFey |
Jun-01-07 08:48 PM |
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I'm sorry. |
Umbram |
Jun-01-07 09:29 PM |
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You and Douglas Feith -- |
Morgana LaFey |
Jun-02-07 09:16 PM |
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Yep, I agree |
Umbram |
Jun-02-07 10:37 PM |
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Do You TRULY Believe The Recent Issues With Cindy Have Had ANYTHING To Do With Her Being Female? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-30-07 09:56 AM |
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Consistently invalidating, maligning and ridiculing women is abusive. |
Lars39 |
May-30-07 10:02 AM |
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So You TRULY Believe The Abuse Towards Her Was Because She Was A Woman? Really? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-30-07 10:10 AM |
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There is an entire Snopes page devoted to lies about her status as Casey's "Mother" |
lwfern |
May-30-07 10:21 AM |
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No, Not By A Long Shot. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-30-07 10:27 AM |
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The topic isn't WHY women are silenced... |
Psyop Samurai |
May-30-07 11:34 AM |
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Hey - excellent response |
lukasahero |
May-30-07 03:08 PM |
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I note with some sadness |
hfojvt |
Jun-01-07 01:54 PM |
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you can only see motive, not opportunity? LOL. guys pick on who they can get away with it easiest. |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 06:06 PM |
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Straining at gnats while swallowing camels. |
urgk |
May-30-07 06:10 PM |
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excellent points |
zippy890 |
May-30-07 06:21 PM |
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I think you've hit the nail right on the head. |
Cabcere |
May-31-07 01:00 PM |
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Women are considered easier targets. Here's an example. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 10:24 AM |
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Yeah Right. Tell That To Kerry, Or Dean, Or Gore, Or The Slew Of Others. n/t |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-30-07 10:28 AM |
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oh, i love the "men are victims" card.. those who play it cannot see the irony. |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 05:44 PM |
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I wish you could be a woman for a few months. |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 03:31 PM |
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that has been done in movies and TV |
hfojvt |
Jun-01-07 01:36 PM |
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Cycling is a good analogy |
eridani |
May-30-07 04:20 PM |
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walking down the street alone has become problematic, and the men i know don;t see it |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 06:01 PM |
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I almost posted about that a few days ago. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 06:36 PM |
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yeah, biking got real dangerous... to many cute little swerves toward me, startling honks |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 06:54 PM |
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Yes, I got honked at on my bike by a guy "just being friendly." I read him the riot act about ... |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 09:24 PM |
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drivers do it to me all the time |
hfojvt |
Jun-01-07 12:56 PM |
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Crap parenting is in the eye of the worried parent. |
puebloknot |
Jun-01-07 09:58 PM |
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Something to try... |
urgk |
May-30-07 06:44 PM |
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my next phone will have video becuase of you, LOL... and welcome to DU ! |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 06:59 PM |
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That's a wonderful idea, with the ADDED benefit that it might have |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 08:47 PM |
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Men are like observers trying to document the behavior of nocturnal animals |
eridani |
May-30-07 10:32 PM |
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How to educate men on this topic: |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-31-07 09:00 AM |
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Good idea. |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 04:02 PM |
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Even driving is not safe. Many men think they have the right |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 03:41 PM |
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This is true. Men are also, in general, more aggressive towards women than men |
jpgray |
May-30-07 07:01 PM |
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i've noticed with guys at work they can be competative assholes with men and get over it- like it's |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 07:12 PM |
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To be fair, men can also be terrified of women |
jpgray |
May-30-07 07:21 PM |
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swag's a liar, i'm not that scary at all. hardly much at all. |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 07:27 PM |
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Can't compete with that. Two drinks and I'm anybody's. |
jpgray |
May-30-07 07:32 PM |
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that's handy information |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 08:22 PM |
#219 |
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Remember as a man I think I'm socially obligated to compete |
jpgray |
May-31-07 12:11 AM |
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And do men ever get told by total strangers to "Smile!" nt |
raccoon |
May-31-07 08:07 AM |
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Yes. Although as best as I can gather, not as often as women do. On the |
John Q. Citizen |
May-31-07 12:28 PM |
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That was my experience as a college professor, too |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-31-07 08:56 AM |
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It often depends on whose ox is being gored. Just as majority ethnic groups |
John Q. Citizen |
May-31-07 12:22 PM |
#346 |
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I think, being from an era when women were expected to be hard working but not heard |
truedelphi |
May-30-07 12:48 PM |
#101 |
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Yes, And You;d Be Blind To Miss It... she's menopausal, shrill, too emotional, a drama queen.... |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 05:36 PM |
#174 |
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To put what others have said another way... |
urgk |
May-30-07 06:17 PM |
#183 |
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Of course the person you are responding to questions this... |
bliss_eternal |
May-30-07 04:39 PM |
#155 |
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Of course they do |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 10:03 AM |
#22 |
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Not the issues, but the attacks on her. |
NCevilDUer |
May-30-07 10:40 AM |
#45 |
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"whore" |
WilliamPitt |
May-30-07 11:13 AM |
#56 |
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I Believe There To Be A Difference Between The Root Of Anger And The Expression Of It. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-30-07 11:20 AM |
#63 |
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I believe you have no clue what it means to be an outspoken female |
buddyhollysghost |
May-30-07 12:37 PM |
#97 |
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Has no intention of trying, either. |
Lars39 |
May-30-07 12:55 PM |
#104 |
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Oh, see, he's the voice of authority here on DU because he uses capital letters |
Oregonian |
May-30-07 04:08 PM |
#138 |
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LOLZOMC |
Moochy |
May-30-07 10:49 PM |
#259 |
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I hear ya |
BoneDaddy |
May-31-07 06:58 AM |
#291 |
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My comments are stupid? |
buddyhollysghost |
May-31-07 10:54 AM |
#333 |
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YES! same with Rosie, same with Code Pink, same with Jane Fonda |
nashville_brook |
May-30-07 11:20 AM |
#62 |
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The Issues, No, The Attacks, Yes |
Crisco |
May-30-07 11:44 AM |
#74 |
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Not just women, I noticed this on an open board |
yurbud |
May-30-07 09:59 AM |
#14 |
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You're right. It's not just women. |
sfexpat2000 |
May-30-07 10:08 AM |
#25 |
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ideas targeted and shouted off the stage |
yurbud |
May-30-07 10:24 AM |
#35 |
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CASE IN POINT: check out some of the anti-Nader posters like this guy: |
yurbud |
May-30-07 11:38 AM |
#70 |
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and the same guy anti-Chavez: |
yurbud |
May-30-07 11:41 AM |
#73 |
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The anti-Chavez stuff isn't SEXUALIZED n/t |
eridani |
May-30-07 04:22 PM |
#145 |
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yeah, just the same level of venom. Also, the sexual angle is not as insulting to guys |
yurbud |
May-30-07 08:20 PM |
#218 |
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The reason it isn't as insulting-- |
eridani |
May-30-07 10:47 PM |
#258 |
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that's why racist comments bother blacks but not really whites |
yurbud |
May-31-07 01:05 AM |
#275 |
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"Out of Context" |
Moochy |
May-31-07 12:29 AM |
#272 |
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The anti-Nader stuff isn't SEXUALIZED n/t |
eridani |
May-30-07 04:22 PM |
#144 |
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you mean Ralph "I would rather have George Bush than Al Gore" Nader? |
northzax |
May-31-07 09:39 AM |
#327 |
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Wrong. You cannot prove that Nader voters would have voted for Gore |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 03:51 PM |
#368 |
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George Bush won florida, in the final count |
northzax |
May-31-07 04:11 PM |
#381 |
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Recommended. Post says it all. No comment necessary. n/t |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
May-30-07 09:59 AM |
#15 |
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k, r, and thanks, lwfern. It takes courage these days just to put |
coffeenap |
May-30-07 10:00 AM |
#18 |
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Excellent, much needed post. K&R. |
Dhalgren |
May-30-07 10:01 AM |
#20 |
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or dismiss us with the term "bitch" |
Connonym |
May-30-07 10:03 AM |
#23 |
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My Dad said that about to my mother HRC ONE time |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 10:09 AM |
#26 |
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Yay Mom! nt |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 02:07 PM |
#110 |
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BINGO! Our language makes it easier to criticize women. There is no male version of 'bitch'. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 10:26 AM |
#37 |
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Not only that, it works both ways (two way street) |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 09:02 PM |
#226 |
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Quite the opposite. Most men are pure cowards - attacking those they KNOW they can get away with.... |
BlooInBloo |
May-30-07 10:29 AM |
#42 |
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Fear? |
BoneDaddy |
May-30-07 07:19 PM |
#203 |
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Of course you wouldn't trust her with your emotional self -- |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 09:07 PM |
#227 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-31-07 06:41 AM |
#286 |
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Yeah, that's not at all misogynistic |
Connonym |
May-31-07 09:09 AM |
#321 |
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Sometimes Bitch is the best word for the context. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 09:31 PM |
#239 |
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exactly as you say |
Connonym |
May-30-07 09:40 PM |
#243 |
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Thank you, lwfern for this very important thread... |
prairierose |
May-31-07 09:26 AM |
#325 |
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Of course words have power! As I said earlier, verbal abuse is often the precursor of physical |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 04:07 PM |
#378 |
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You say word police I say improve your vocabulary |
Connonym |
May-30-07 09:38 PM |
#241 |
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So then doesn't that make you a hypocrite |
BoneDaddy |
May-31-07 06:46 AM |
#288 |
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re-read my post |
Connonym |
May-31-07 08:59 AM |
#317 |
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And here we have a man coming along |
lwfern |
May-31-07 09:18 AM |
#324 |
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I think the key to change in this country is through women |
bambino |
May-30-07 10:07 AM |
#24 |
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So your'e vote is for Hillary in 2008? |
smtpgirl |
May-30-07 09:59 PM |
#248 |
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Guess what, Hillary isn't the only woman in the US |
Connonym |
May-31-07 09:03 AM |
#319 |
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But I do believe in a majority of white men |
smtpgirl |
May-31-07 10:06 PM |
#403 |
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k and r |
cwydro |
May-30-07 10:13 AM |
#28 |
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Sadly, there are still many men who... |
Mr_Jefferson_24 |
May-30-07 10:14 AM |
#29 |
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Yes. On Trek boards they have a problem with "Janeway rape" threads. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 10:40 AM |
#46 |
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Personal experience with a local humanist chapter 20+ years ago. |
no_hypocrisy |
May-30-07 10:15 AM |
#30 |
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That thinking is prevalent in more of society than just philanthropic groups. |
Clark2008 |
May-30-07 10:53 AM |
#50 |
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Yeah, I know. It's like people who don't know me always address me as "Mrs." as in their |
no_hypocrisy |
May-30-07 10:59 AM |
#52 |
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I know! I usually carry the money in our relationship and they |
Clark2008 |
May-30-07 11:17 AM |
#59 |
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When I graduated from one of the last independent, all-women's colleges, |
no_hypocrisy |
May-30-07 11:23 AM |
#67 |
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Salon did a series of arcticles about this a month or two ago. |
Iris |
May-30-07 10:17 AM |
#31 |
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Organized harassment and "gang" or cause stalking is essentially being funded by this Administration |
shance |
May-30-07 10:58 AM |
#51 |
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um, the web can be quite anonymous too |
IronLionZion |
May-30-07 11:04 AM |
#53 |
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See post 55 |
WilliamPitt |
May-30-07 11:13 AM |
#57 |
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point taken Will, I sure as hell don't want to be a public figure |
IronLionZion |
May-30-07 11:18 AM |
#61 |
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You see a pattern there? |
lwfern |
May-30-07 11:20 AM |
#64 |
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Well, that's the wrong way to do things |
IronLionZion |
May-30-07 12:35 PM |
#95 |
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Exhibit A: "Pink Tutus" |
sam kane |
May-30-07 03:01 PM |
#123 |
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Exhibit B: "Panty-waisted. Bitches." |
lwfern |
May-31-07 07:23 AM |
#296 |
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Your voice is so strong and clear--I'm so glad you're here! |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 05:33 PM |
#391 |
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Exhibit C: "That Crazy Old Bitch" |
lwfern |
May-31-07 08:22 PM |
#400 |
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Exhibit D: "She's a whore" |
Imagevision |
May-31-07 10:09 PM |
#404 |
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notice that the abuse is couched in FEMINIZING the person -- gender is the weapon |
nashville_brook |
May-30-07 11:23 AM |
#66 |
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The terms used to "insult" liberal men are terms reserved for denigrating women. |
terisan |
May-30-07 11:50 AM |
#76 |
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don't believe for one second it is only right wing men |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 11:53 AM |
#79 |
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I was wondering whether or not to post this very thing |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 12:52 PM |
#102 |
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been taking a bit of a break... |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 01:21 PM |
#105 |
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It's so easy, eh? |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 01:26 PM |
#106 |
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Even on this board... |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 02:29 PM |
#117 |
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"girlie men" |
bbgrunt |
May-30-07 02:15 PM |
#115 |
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Ah yes, perfect example - probably not in the way you meant though... |
lukasahero |
May-30-07 03:15 PM |
#128 |
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The inverse of that is to "compliment" a woman by saying she "has balls." |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 09:25 PM |
#232 |
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"He's so articulate..." |
lukasahero |
May-31-07 08:19 AM |
#306 |
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"Male activists get called "pussies", "fags", "bitches", "fairies" " |
lukasahero |
May-30-07 03:19 PM |
#130 |
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Well said |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 09:21 PM |
#230 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-31-07 08:38 AM |
#311 |
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What are you talking about? |
IronLionZion |
May-31-07 10:32 AM |
#331 |
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Unless you are a woman of color AND a lesbian |
lwfern |
May-31-07 12:40 PM |
#350 |
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and disabled |
Oak2004 |
May-31-07 02:18 PM |
#356 |
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Thanks for the reminder. |
lwfern |
May-31-07 02:52 PM |
#357 |
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men get rape threats too, hell men get raped too |
IronLionZion |
May-31-07 10:37 AM |
#332 |
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"Why I write not of men" |
lwfern |
May-31-07 11:27 AM |
#338 |
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K&R! |
DKRC |
May-30-07 11:10 AM |
#54 |
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and if the verbal abuse doesn't work out, escalation is real ala judy bari |
pitohui |
May-30-07 11:18 AM |
#60 |
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big k 'n r -- you nailed it. |
nashville_brook |
May-30-07 11:22 AM |
#65 |
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what you said |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 11:29 AM |
#68 |
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and my personal favorite "it happens to men, too" |
lwfern |
May-30-07 11:39 AM |
#71 |
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Ain't that the truth |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 12:52 PM |
#103 |
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and not just men, but important men -- "public figures" men, |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 09:28 PM |
#236 |
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Yep it happens |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-30-07 11:41 AM |
#72 |
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What kind of activist |
MrPrax |
May-30-07 11:45 AM |
#75 |
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true - men's war against women is alive and well |
donsu |
May-30-07 11:51 AM |
#77 |
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It happens in the workplace ALL THE TIME. |
RevCheesehead |
May-30-07 11:52 AM |
#78 |
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Excellent OP, thank you for posting this! |
Spazito |
May-30-07 11:54 AM |
#80 |
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K&R |
petunia.here |
May-30-07 11:57 AM |
#81 |
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It's Amazing, What Some People Think They Can Say To You When You Are A Female And Anti-War |
maggiegault |
May-30-07 11:57 AM |
#82 |
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and thanks for illustrating... |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 12:00 PM |
#83 |
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You're Very Welcome. It Isn't A Behavior Limited To GOP Idiots, Unfortunately. |
maggiegault |
May-30-07 12:04 PM |
#85 |
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Exactly. He did it because he could get away with it. |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 09:33 PM |
#240 |
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I Quit The Group, Even though I had been one of their most active members. |
maggiegault |
May-30-07 09:50 PM |
#247 |
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Excellent Post -- K&R |
Hope2006 |
May-30-07 12:02 PM |
#84 |
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"The world is full of hate" |
hfojvt |
May-30-07 12:07 PM |
#87 |
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This thread is not about that. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 12:16 PM |
#89 |
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Thanks, lwfern. |
intheflow |
May-30-07 12:14 PM |
#88 |
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Psychological Warfare |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 12:17 PM |
#90 |
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I think this post misses the point in four ways. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 12:30 PM |
#92 |
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Good post n/t |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 12:36 PM |
#96 |
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People are sheep! |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 12:41 PM |
#98 |
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thought the sarcasm referred to the last part |
lwfern |
May-30-07 12:44 PM |
#100 |
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On a serious note |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 01:57 PM |
#108 |
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Yep, absolutely |
lwfern |
May-30-07 03:47 PM |
#133 |
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dialogue or monologue? |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 04:01 PM |
#134 |
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patronizing |
lwfern |
May-30-07 04:36 PM |
#153 |
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Damn... |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 06:48 PM |
#190 |
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Oh, by all means, yes. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 07:10 PM |
#201 |
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Garp! Garp! Garp! |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 08:10 PM |
#217 |
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My thoughts exactly. |
quantessd |
May-30-07 04:50 PM |
#163 |
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Like the recient Supreme Court decision? |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 06:55 PM |
#195 |
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I don't believe what men say; I believe what they do |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-31-07 09:15 AM |
#323 |
| -
#5 |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 09:38 PM |
#242 |
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k&r |
me b zola |
May-30-07 12:24 PM |
#91 |
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Kick -- important OP |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 12:32 PM |
#93 |
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K&R |
Pooka Fey |
May-30-07 12:33 PM |
#94 |
| -
sexism is far from dead, but it is still invisible to some--just |
bbgrunt |
May-30-07 01:43 PM |
#107 |
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I'm consistently stunned by the sexist language and opinions on DU. nt |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 02:09 PM |
#112 |
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Like post #42? nt. |
Umbram |
May-31-07 01:03 AM |
#274 |
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Great post-though I'm not sure what happened with Cindy the past couple of days... |
TheGoldenRule |
May-30-07 02:09 PM |
#111 |
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Moving, agreed to, thank you for posting |
Anita Garcia |
May-30-07 02:09 PM |
#113 |
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K&R! |
Karenina |
May-30-07 02:38 PM |
#118 |
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K & Friggin R!! |
Triana |
May-30-07 02:43 PM |
#119 |
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k&r - there is nothing I can add to this excellent post except to thank you |
yardwork |
May-30-07 02:44 PM |
#120 |
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Disgusting. Suppression of women is largely based on Christian thought... |
Elrond Hubbard |
May-30-07 02:47 PM |
#122 |
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That's what happens |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 03:12 PM |
#127 |
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That's what happens when you take it literally, too |
Elrond Hubbard |
May-30-07 04:43 PM |
#158 |
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Patriarchy, of which Christianity is a subset, but only ONE subset |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 10:43 PM |
#257 |
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Jesus was quite fair in |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 04:16 PM |
#383 |
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Disgusting. n/t |
whereismyparty |
May-30-07 03:02 PM |
#124 |
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Thanks, Good post. |
DemExpat |
May-30-07 03:19 PM |
#129 |
| -
Sad |
Tekla West |
May-30-07 03:21 PM |
#131 |
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Ignorance and Hate team up to take on all sexes |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 03:46 PM |
#132 |
| -
actually no they don't... |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 04:05 PM |
#135 |
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So without all the ranting, your point is that women are ALWAYS victims of |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 04:22 PM |
#146 |
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way to completely miss my point... |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 04:26 PM |
#148 |
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"Ranting"? oh boy -- way to prove The OP's point. |
LostinVA |
May-31-07 08:38 AM |
#310 |
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Check this out |
Horse with no Name |
May-30-07 04:05 PM |
#136 |
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Verbal violence preceeds physical violence, and usually precipitates it. |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 04:15 PM |
#139 |
| -
Preach it! |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 04:20 PM |
#143 |
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I'm so sorry you've experienced this, too! There used to be some support among |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 04:25 PM |
#147 |
| -
well, one thing that doesn't help... |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 04:28 PM |
#149 |
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Absolutely. It's a clear indication that caring about the pain of others isn't |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 04:32 PM |
#152 |
| -
we are so on the same wavelength |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 04:37 PM |
#154 |
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thank you!! I remembered seeing that, but then couldn't find it to reply! |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 04:41 PM |
#156 |
| -
peace at ya |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 04:43 PM |
#160 |
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Ain't doin' no jackin' |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 04:46 PM |
#161 |
| -
There could be all sorts of reasons. |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 04:29 PM |
#150 |
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ya know...when it's almost always on threads... |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 04:32 PM |
#151 |
| -
There you go again.... |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 04:43 PM |
#159 |
| -
I have no idea who you are and I have never replied to any of your posts |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 04:47 PM |
#162 |
| -
way to blow what I said completely out of proportion |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 04:51 PM |
#164 |
| -
I only know you from the words you have chosen to reply to my posts. |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 05:08 PM |
#167 |
| -
"I would offer that you think a bit more" |
lukasahero |
May-30-07 05:35 PM |
#173 |
| -
He's a one-man show |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 10:59 PM |
#260 |
| -
That is complete nonsense. |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-31-07 08:41 AM |
#313 |
| -
Way to go, Vinnie!!! |
Karenina |
May-31-07 06:17 PM |
#394 |
| -
Maybe he's doing a parody of the clueless. |
A-Schwarzenegger |
May-31-07 06:45 PM |
#395 |
| -
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 04:43 PM |
#157 |
| -
No. Bullies see women as "the weaker sex" and start from there. |
sfexpat2000 |
May-30-07 05:01 PM |
#166 |
| -
I agree that sexist attacks on women seem to be the first |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 05:17 PM |
#169 |
| -
I don't even think it's that polarized. How many women has Coulter |
sfexpat2000 |
May-30-07 05:20 PM |
#170 |
| -
From my OP |
lwfern |
May-30-07 05:24 PM |
#171 |
| -
I think if you do some research |
lukasahero |
May-30-07 05:36 PM |
#175 |
| -
What if the women |
BoneDaddy |
May-31-07 06:57 AM |
#290 |
| -
I didn't preclude the idea that women can be bullies. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-01-07 06:21 AM |
#411 |
| -
I wasn't even gonna bother responding to that |
lwfern |
Jun-01-07 07:58 AM |
#412 |
| -
Wow... |
urgk |
May-30-07 06:54 PM |
#194 |
| -
You missed my point entirely |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 07:00 PM |
#197 |
| -
Okay, let's see... |
urgk |
May-30-07 07:29 PM |
#208 |
| -
Well maybe you should read the rest of her posts. |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 10:01 PM |
#250 |
| -
"Well maybe you should read the rest of her posts." |
urgk |
May-30-07 10:40 PM |
#256 |
| -
Your response is mildly amusing |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 11:22 PM |
#265 |
| -
Let me map it out for you... |
urgk |
May-31-07 05:20 AM |
#283 |
| -
Welcome to DU! |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-31-07 08:01 AM |
#300 |
| -
I think I like you. |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 11:02 PM |
#262 |
| -
I've received hate mail for my LTTEs |
lapislzi |
May-31-07 08:26 AM |
#308 |
| -
Brava lwfern! |
MuseRider |
May-30-07 05:10 PM |
#168 |
| -
Hey, it's ok to discriminate against women |
AbbyR |
May-30-07 05:31 PM |
#172 |
| -
Don't forget DU's own Ava. She was threatened with rape and death, and rape after death. |
Straight Shooter |
May-30-07 05:53 PM |
#177 |
| -
Thank you. I cannot believe I forgot about that. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 06:43 PM |
#188 |
| -
And it's ironic that her web site (and motto) is "Peace Takes Courage." |
Straight Shooter |
May-30-07 07:29 PM |
#209 |
| -
What? Sick people |
nam78_two |
May-30-07 10:27 PM |
#254 |
| -
But Ava's only 15, maybe 16 now? |
Raksha |
May-31-07 03:50 AM |
#277 |
| -
That's the NORM, not an exception. |
lwfern |
May-31-07 07:10 AM |
#293 |
| -
Exactly, lwfern... |
prairierose |
May-31-07 10:26 AM |
#329 |
| -
k&r...n/t |
Madspirit |
May-30-07 06:09 PM |
#180 |
| -
Kinda makes me want to send rape threats |
Jed Dilligan |
May-30-07 06:09 PM |
#181 |
| -
and the reason it would be wrong ... |
lwfern |
May-30-07 06:48 PM |
#191 |
| -
All right... |
Jed Dilligan |
May-30-07 06:52 PM |
#192 |
| -
k&r |
Swamp Rat |
May-30-07 06:25 PM |
#185 |
| -
I'm glad you're back, Swamp Rat ! |
Lars39 |
May-30-07 06:41 PM |
#187 |
| -
It's interesting how we decry the "hate" from the RW, but ... we women are supposed |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 07:04 PM |
#199 |
| -
Oh my... |
MrPrax |
May-30-07 07:10 PM |
#200 |
| -
I happen to agree |
BoneDaddy |
May-30-07 07:26 PM |
#205 |
| -
"Never going get what you want that way." Would you be referring to equal rights we DESERVE? |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 09:27 PM |
#233 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-31-07 06:51 AM |
#289 |
| -
wow, i'm less than equal and a facist.... since i do regard your thoughts as total bullshit |
bettyellen |
May-31-07 07:20 AM |
#295 |
| -
LOL |
BoneDaddy |
May-31-07 12:31 PM |
#348 |
| -
oh i know it's ALL MY FAULT you like to use sexist racist words! my UPPITY + SHRILL WAYS |
bettyellen |
May-31-07 04:13 PM |
#382 |
| -
Oh! So YOU'RE the one! |
lwfern |
May-31-07 08:16 PM |
#399 |
| -
Do you think I really |
BoneDaddy |
Jun-01-07 12:26 PM |
#413 |
| -
you broke DU rules- which are not facist, btwand are blaming the consequnces on others, child... |
bettyellen |
Jun-01-07 06:05 PM |
#423 |
| -
"Never going get what you want that way." -- wish i could nominate this post... |
nashville_brook |
May-31-07 08:04 AM |
#301 |
| -
just begrudging people their equal rights because they're all uppity. can you f'ing belive it? |
bettyellen |
May-31-07 06:55 PM |
#396 |
| -
Oh, My, indeed |
lwfern |
May-30-07 07:27 PM |
#206 |
| -
Two points...that's it |
MrPrax |
May-30-07 07:41 PM |
#211 |
| -
The founding fathers got their rights cause everyone cooperated? |
lwfern |
May-30-07 08:05 PM |
#216 |
| -
That's my point...!? |
MrPrax |
May-30-07 09:12 PM |
#228 |
| -
White, male landowners got their rights....the rest of us had to work at it. nt |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 09:27 PM |
#235 |
| -
Oh, look, ladies. We have an expert on the Women's Movement |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 11:15 PM |
#263 |
| -
What? |
MrPrax |
May-31-07 07:10 AM |
#294 |
| -
'" little rad butt"? |
sheeptramp |
May-31-07 12:49 PM |
#351 |
| -
Why R U reply? |
MrPrax |
May-31-07 01:45 PM |
#354 |
| -
K&R. Anybody who fails to see the misogyny in the attacks on Cindy |
A-Schwarzenegger |
May-30-07 07:42 PM |
#212 |
| -
Thank you for posting.... |
femrap |
May-30-07 07:43 PM |
#213 |
| -
K & R |
Totally Committed |
May-30-07 07:53 PM |
#214 |
| -
And then, when any sensitive woman is reading this kind of tripe |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 08:30 PM |
#220 |
| -
why are we surprised that bad people do bad things? |
pitohui |
May-30-07 09:42 PM |
#245 |
| -
it's pathetic to be disturbed by sexually threatening messages and we should just get used to it? |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 10:01 PM |
#249 |
| -
some of these men are progressive on every other issue? no, they're not |
pitohui |
May-31-07 12:16 PM |
#345 |
| -
Some of DU's oldest and "finest" members are sexist, some are |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 11:25 PM |
#266 |
| -
so this is about crapping on other DUers? i thought it was about bad guys attacking peace activists |
pitohui |
May-31-07 12:38 PM |
#349 |
| -
meanwhile basic things like equal pay get further away with each passing year |
Morgana LaFey |
May-31-07 11:58 PM |
#408 |
| -
K & R, I am WOMAN, I WILL NOT BE SILENCED |
smtpgirl |
May-30-07 08:57 PM |
#224 |
| -
Wonderful post. |
Marie26 |
May-30-07 09:40 PM |
#244 |
| -
Error: You've already recommended that thread. n/t |
bear425 |
May-30-07 09:47 PM |
#246 |
| -
K&R from this "hysterical, emotional" woman |
nam78_two |
May-30-07 10:26 PM |
#253 |
| -
As woman and mother, I salute this post; however... |
puebloknot |
May-30-07 11:00 PM |
#261 |
| -
You're the only peson I've seen attribute gender bias |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 11:35 PM |
#267 |
| -
Maybe you just didn't happen to read the post I mentioned. I assure you... |
puebloknot |
May-31-07 04:09 AM |
#278 |
| -
You misunderstood my point |
Morgana LaFey |
May-31-07 11:59 PM |
#409 |
| -
"It's not worth trying to explain it to you." |
puebloknot |
Jun-01-07 08:22 PM |
#424 |
| -
You misunderstood that one too |
Morgana LaFey |
Jun-01-07 08:33 PM |
#426 |
| -
Great post. |
jpgray |
May-31-07 04:15 AM |
#280 |
| -
Thank you! nt |
puebloknot |
May-31-07 04:21 AM |
#282 |
| -
I interpret that gender bias slightly differently than you. |
lwfern |
May-31-07 05:46 AM |
#285 |
| -
In fact, let's insist that they wear burlap sacks. Hairshirts, maybe... |
puebloknot |
May-31-07 09:10 PM |
#402 |
| -
God, I wish it wasn't true |
9thkvius |
May-30-07 11:18 PM |
#264 |
| -
Thank you, thank you |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 11:39 PM |
#268 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-31-07 12:07 AM |
#269 |
| -
Men as idiots |
spag68 |
May-31-07 12:08 AM |
#270 |
| -
Excellent post |
Der Blaue Engel |
May-31-07 12:50 AM |
#273 |
| -
Is there no way to identify these men who are posting? |
mainer |
May-31-07 05:32 AM |
#284 |
| -
Because people |
BoneDaddy |
May-31-07 08:15 AM |
#304 |
| -
The poster was referring to the OP, which you need to read, btw. |
Lars39 |
May-31-07 08:31 AM |
#309 |
| -
ah |
BoneDaddy |
May-31-07 08:40 AM |
#312 |
| -
Um, actually, I think the poster is referring to ACTUAL death threats |
lukasahero |
May-31-07 09:08 AM |
#320 |
| -
I completely agree... how many times even here do we see... |
glowing |
May-31-07 06:43 AM |
#287 |
| -
Verbal violence is not acceptable in any form |
Thor_MN |
May-31-07 07:00 AM |
#292 |
| -
It's different for any OPPRESSED GROUP. Not just women. |
lwfern |
May-31-07 07:31 AM |
#297 |
| -
Best post ever. |
Cults4Bush |
May-31-07 07:51 AM |
#298 |
| -
Some DU'ers do the same thing to Condoleeza Rice |
1932 |
May-31-07 08:07 AM |
#303 |
| -
DUers have even used racial caricatures and stereotypes of Dr. Rice |
slackmaster |
May-31-07 03:43 PM |
#367 |
| -
Great post. There are still a lot of people who feel women should be submissive. |
PA Democrat |
May-31-07 08:15 AM |
#305 |
| -
K & R |
Le Taz Hot |
May-31-07 08:21 AM |
#307 |
| -
We don't hear enough about this |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-31-07 08:52 AM |
#314 |
| -
this is one of the most IMPORTANT posts on DU in some time.... |
mike_c |
May-31-07 08:56 AM |
#315 |
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Hey, you got threatened too, professor Mike |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-31-07 09:10 AM |
#322 |
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exactly-- not only did they not seriously threaten violence... |
mike_c |
May-31-07 09:35 AM |
#326 |
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I find it terrifying how easy it is for some rather sick males to escalate to this point |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-31-07 10:28 PM |
#405 |
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Thank you for posting this |
dancingAlone |
May-31-07 10:16 AM |
#328 |
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This is why I was SO angry when Flynt was held up as a champion of free speech here. |
lwfern |
May-31-07 10:26 AM |
#330 |
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Can we get another KICK in? |
blm |
May-31-07 11:17 AM |
#334 |
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I was called a fat, greasy, Mexican lesbian on another board. |
Cleita |
May-31-07 11:23 AM |
#335 |
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ha you did what I was going to say to you when I saw your title post |
themartyred |
May-31-07 11:27 AM |
#337 |
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Me gusta como tu piensas! |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 04:07 PM |
#379 |
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I wouldn't know if it's grammatically correct. LOL! |
Cleita |
May-31-07 04:23 PM |
#385 |
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LOL. Just so you got the meaning. My |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 04:57 PM |
#387 |
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I have never trained a dog in any language, but maybe this will |
Cleita |
May-31-07 05:18 PM |
#388 |
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An obnoxious man once told my SO that I'm a "mouthy bitch" |
lapislzi |
Jun-01-07 01:38 PM |
#418 |
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kick |
coffeenap |
May-31-07 11:24 AM |
#336 |
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Hartmann is all over this issue thus morning. |
Opposite Reaction |
May-31-07 11:39 AM |
#339 |
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And when men attack other men in that way, often they are |
sfexpat2000 |
May-31-07 12:02 PM |
#343 |
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A slight correction... |
Opposite Reaction |
May-31-07 12:12 PM |
#344 |
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I've been thinking about this, and don't believe it works that way. |
sfexpat2000 |
May-31-07 03:29 PM |
#364 |
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Rape of men by men is still gendered violence |
lwfern |
May-31-07 03:58 PM |
#372 |
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Oh, of course. But it's not clear to me (at all) that this is |
sfexpat2000 |
May-31-07 04:02 PM |
#376 |
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K&R!! Thank you.... |
KAT119 |
May-31-07 11:46 AM |
#340 |
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Look at the Rosie/ Elizabeth spat recently |
Lorien |
May-31-07 11:59 AM |
#342 |
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K&R. |
Cabcere |
May-31-07 12:51 PM |
#352 |
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kicking. i agree--it's exactly what happened to cindy here. it was not a |
orleans |
May-31-07 01:51 PM |
#355 |
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Robin Morgan's fire-breathing manifesto "Goodbye To All That" |
Raksha |
May-31-07 03:09 PM |
#362 |
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How do I begin.. |
Feron |
May-31-07 03:54 PM |
#369 |
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I remember that post. |
lwfern |
May-31-07 04:20 PM |
#384 |
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Oh, yes, men who are not exactly fashion plates themselves act as if |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-31-07 04:48 PM |
#386 |
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That's a very useful concept: Fuckable vs. unfuckable women. |
Raksha |
May-31-07 05:26 PM |
#389 |
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Corrugated Woman |
puebloknot |
Jun-01-07 08:39 PM |
#427 |
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Here's another woman who threatened the power structure... |
Neecy |
May-31-07 04:00 PM |
#374 |
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"The Language War," by Robin Tolmach Lakoff |
Karenina |
May-31-07 06:03 PM |
#393 |
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I want to thank all the strong and beautiful women for adding their voices here! |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 05:31 PM |
#390 |
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This thread has been fabulous |
gollygee |
May-31-07 05:37 PM |
#392 |
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Absolutely! All the roaring is uplifting! |
bobbolink |
Jun-01-07 05:49 PM |
#421 |
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the quality of discourse is simply wonderful! |
nashville_brook |
Jun-01-07 01:16 PM |
#415 |
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heh--- I thought I was pretty articulate, ^_^, but I"ve copied some of the |
bobbolink |
Jun-01-07 05:50 PM |
#422 |
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Congrats, Fern... Thom Hartmann apparently referred to this post |
hlthe2b |
May-31-07 08:50 PM |
#401 |
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Yep, I Heard It - He Referenced Fern And DU |
lligrd |
Jun-01-07 01:18 PM |
#416 |
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Cool. I love Thom Hartmann |
Nikki Stone1 |
Jun-02-07 10:38 PM |
#434 |
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