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Edited on Wed May-30-07 10:57 AM by lwfern
... Sierra had been receiving increasingly abusive comments on her website, Creating Passionate Users, over the previous year, but had not expected them to turn so violent - her attackers not only verbally assaulting her ("fuck off you boring slut . . . I hope someone slits your throat") but also posting photomontages of her on other sites: one with a noose next to her head and another depicting her screaming with a thong covering her face. Since she wrote about the abuse on her website, the harassment has increased. "People are posting all my private data online everywhere - social-security number, and home address - a retaliation for speaking out."
While no one could deny that men experience abuse online, the sheer vitriol directed at women has become impossible to ignore. Extreme instances of stalking, death threats and hate speech are now prevalent, as well as all the everyday harassment that women have traditionally faced in the outside world - cat-calls, for instance, or being "rated" on our looks. It's all very far from the utopian ideals that greeted the dawn of the web - the idea of it as a new, egalitarian public space, where men and women from all races, and of all sexualities, could mix without prejudice.
(snip)
Jill Filipovic, a 23-year-old law student who also writes on the popular blog, Feministe, recently had some photographs of her uploaded and subjected to abusive comments on an online forum for students in New York. "The people who were posting comments about me were speculating as to how many abortions I've had, and they talked about 'hate-fucking' me," says Filipovic. "I don't think a man would get that; the harassment of women is far more sexualised - men may be told that they're idiots, but they aren't called 'whores'."
(snip)
One website, run by law professor and occasional New York Times columnist Ann Althouse, devoted an entire article to how I was "posing" so as to "make breasts as obvious as possible". The post, titled "Let's take a closer look at those breasts," ended up with over 500 comments. Most were about my body, my perceived whorishness, and how I couldn't possibly be a good feminist because I had the gall to show up to a meeting with my breasts in tow. One commenter even created a limerick about me giving oral sex. Althouse herself said that I should have "worn a beret . . . a blue dress would have been good too". All this on the basis of a photograph of me in a crew-neck sweater from Gap.
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2051580,... The emails began, the countless pages of hate accrued beneath the mail slot. The death threats mounted, the graphic descriptions of what they would do to me when they found me continued to escalate. I tried to call for help but everyone kept telling me that the locks on the door were secure and that there was nothing to be done for me.
But the thing is that I didn’t feel secure and the locks didn’t feel safe and I knew that it would only take one of them to get through the door. Despite everyone telling me that the screaming men were harmless THEY were saying that they weren’t harmless. And who you gonna believe? The man who is holding the snarling dog at bay? Who is telling you that he’s actually a pussycat? Or the snarling dog who is snapping at your legs and threatening to rip your throat out if it gets loose?
I believed the dog.
It was only after the death threats reached a level that began to involve my children that I finally balked. I could no longer hear the gentle scratching of the other women writing in their own books, all I could hear was the screaming and violence outside this small space. The violence that I desperately wanted to shield the others from. http://bitingbeaver.blogspot.com / Both of these predate the recent issue with Cindy Sheehan. I saw Ann Wright speak last night. She said Cindy was also getting these sorts of emails - the kind that are reminiscent in tone of lynchings - those that not only disagree with her position, but spew misogynistic hate speech and threats at her. Every day, her inbox was flooded with these. Her friends had convinced her to stop reading her mail. There was a woman at the event last night passing out fliers to women, trying to get women to run for office. I handed mine back, with the "you must be ought of your mind" look that I suck at hiding. There is a special kind of hatred reserved for women who speak out. It's ugly to witness on DU, and I witness it every day here - as I do on nearly every blog I visit, with a few notable exceptions - and it doesn't matter whether those blogs are political in nature, or tied to graphic design ... it just doesn't matter. It targets women who are republicans, who are democrats, who are spouses, and pundits and independents. It ties hatred to every aspect of their physical female bodies, from Laura Bush to Janet Reno to Chelsea Clinton to Ann Coulter. We hold up men who are long time civil rights leaders as heroes, persistent enduring never tiring heroes who are always at the forefront of the struggle, and we embrace them. I have seen threads here canonizing men who made their fortunes specifically from the degradation and exploitation of women. And when women speak out, they are allowed their 15 minutes of fame, MAYBE, or maybe not, maybe they hold a sign at a protest for 5 minutes, and then they are accused of being a whore - and their sexuality is attacked - and I am not even talking about Cindy Sheehan here. What I'm getting at is that Cindy Sheehan is not unique. This is part of a system, and it's a system that encourages men AND women, on all sides of the political fences, to attack women AS women, to threaten them, to demean them AS women, in order to get them to shut the hell up. The abuse that Cindy has put up with - and I'm going to call it abuse, because it goes beyond "criticism" into flat out vile sexist abuse and threats designed to terrorize women who speak out - is rampant, is consistent with women's experiences once their voice starts to be heard, and is tolerated as "normal" - as a normal part of political discourse. For every woman like Cindy who is silenced - even temporarily, as I hope it will be - there are a hundred other women, maybe more, who are silenced, who won't run for office, who will avoid the spotlight, because they don't want to hear the nonstop sexist bullshit hatred and threats that comes with the territory.
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How women activists are silenced |
lwfern |
May-30-07 10:42 AM |
#0 |

Good post -- k&r |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 10:43 AM |
#1 |

Yes. K&R |
sfexpat2000 |
May-30-07 10:44 AM |
#2 |

Very nice post. |
Horse with no Name |
May-30-07 10:44 AM |
#3 |

I can't imagine letting stuff people say to me on the Internet getting to me. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 10:45 AM |
#4 |
 
It's not anonymous when they personally attack you. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
May-30-07 10:48 AM |
#6 |
  
Yep |
tavalon |
May-31-07 05:13 AM |
#279 |
 
Andy was sick... |
Cassandra |
May-31-07 04:08 PM |
#361 |
 
And they thought because I was a woman that I would cave somehow. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-01-07 09:27 PM |
#425 |
 
No, you don't understand it. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 10:53 AM |
# |
 
Threats of sexual violence and sexual aggression are scary |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 10:59 AM |
#16 |
  
Yes, it is scary. nt |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 11:25 AM |
#36 |
   
apologies |
lwfern |
May-30-07 12:17 PM |
#58 |
  
You just wrote something very significant |
Le Taz Hot |
May-31-07 08:52 AM |
#299 |
  
holy crap, seriously? |
GloriaSmith |
May-30-07 11:29 AM |
#41 |
   
Yup |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 11:33 AM |
#44 |
  
... |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-30-07 04:12 PM |
#126 |
   
I agree with you. |
Autobot77 |
May-30-07 09:39 PM |
#221 |
  
LostinVA, sorry to hear that |
smtpgirl |
May-30-07 10:02 PM |
#225 |
  
that's terrible........ |
Darth_Kitten |
May-30-07 10:31 PM |
#238 |
 
The thing is that it doesn't stay anonymous. |
China_cat |
May-30-07 11:24 AM |
#33 |
  
I don't use my real name on the Internet. nt |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 11:27 AM |
#39 |
   
if you're posting at home or work, it doesn't matter what name you use |
GloriaSmith |
May-30-07 11:31 AM |
#43 |
   
Do you really believe that protects you? |
China_cat |
May-30-07 11:42 AM |
#47 |
    
There's no such thing as being completely safe. But, despite vigorous... |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 11:44 AM |
#48 |
   
this why woman are verbally acosted, TOTAL anonymity |
smtpgirl |
May-30-07 10:14 PM |
#229 |
  
Once I posted on someone's blog and a rightwinger somehow found |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-31-07 09:41 AM |
# |
 
Try getting them as a public figure |
WilliamPitt |
May-30-07 12:12 PM |
#55 |
  
Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-31-07 04:02 PM |
#359 |
   
. |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 04:54 PM |
#370 |
  
. . . |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 04:58 PM |
#373 |
  
. |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 05:08 PM |
#380 |
  
Double post- delete |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 04:02 PM |
#360 |
 
Mook, if you had a picture of you photoshopped with a noose 'round *your* neck |
Book Lover |
May-30-07 01:06 PM |
#86 |
  
I didn't say it wouldn't upset me. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 03:06 PM |
#109 |
 
I apologize for my assumption |
Book Lover |
May-30-07 03:14 PM |
#114 |
  
Problemma nyet. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 03:27 PM |
#116 |
 
I think one point the OP and cited article are trying to make... |
TygrBright |
May-30-07 10:27 PM |
#234 |
 
It's TERRORISM - and when they threaten you, your family and post... |
Triana |
May-30-07 03:46 PM |
#121 |
  
Agreed Triana |
smtpgirl |
May-30-07 10:30 PM |
#237 |
 
You're a man, you can't get it. What you're saying is like |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 03:56 PM |
#358 |

Not so confusing. It has to do with whom one is identified with. |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 04:57 PM |
#371 |

Feminism needs to be revived on a national scale. |
rosesaylavee |
May-30-07 10:46 AM |
#5 |
 
sig line stuff |
lwfern |
May-30-07 11:04 PM |
#251 |

Why is Democratic Underground permitting these comments? |
defendandprotect |
May-31-07 08:33 PM |
#397 |
 
According to the DU Rules |
lwfern |
May-31-07 09:07 PM |
#398 |

The offending avatar is removed. |
rosesaylavee |
Jun-01-07 12:21 AM |
#406 |

Thank You! |
lwfern |
Jun-01-07 01:21 AM |
#410 |

Those in leadership positions set the tone, |
Lars39 |
May-30-07 10:49 AM |
#7 |
 
You're so right, but of course it won't be acknowledged. |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 05:18 PM |
#141 |
 
Agree about DU leadership as well as the use of 'bitch'. Few female avatars. nt |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 06:00 PM |
#165 |
  
...few female avatars.... |
sheeptramp |
May-30-07 08:59 PM |
#215 |
 
A lot of people have left DU because the |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 04:11 PM |
#363 |

Then *I'll* say it. |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 05:00 PM |
#375 |

I'd recommend this mulitiple times if I could |
Warpy |
May-30-07 10:50 AM |
#8 |
 
Good post n/t |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 11:00 AM |
#17 |
 
As the OP pointed out, women also engage in this behavior. I remember a thread |
John Q. Citizen |
May-31-07 12:50 PM |
#341 |

A Favorite Put-Down: "She's Shrill" |
vanlassie |
May-30-07 10:53 AM |
#9 |
 
Check out the way the dust up between O'Donnell and Hasel back was described. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 11:45 AM |
#49 |
  
Yeah add Rosie to the list for sure |
moonlady0623 |
May-30-07 05:17 PM |
#140 |
 
hey they even called Howard Dean shrill |
truedelphi |
May-30-07 01:42 PM |
#99 |
  
Yep, it makes sense to offer up truth for truth |
tavalon |
May-31-07 05:17 AM |
#281 |
 
O'Leilly uses that one all the time. |
Oregonian |
May-30-07 05:06 PM |
#137 |
  
That guy is the physical embodiment of "shrill". |
Telly Savalas |
Jun-01-07 09:52 PM |
#429 |
 
Calling someone a whore, for one |
AnnieBW |
May-30-07 11:22 PM |
#252 |

I have only enough time to recommend this post and kick it |
Cerridwen |
May-30-07 10:53 AM |
#10 |

Women can be like Boudica (probably called an A. W. by the Romans in AD 60) |
bambino |
May-30-07 10:55 AM |
#11 |
 
Boudica does rule! |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 11:01 AM |
#19 |

K&R!! bravo! |
unpossibles |
May-30-07 10:55 AM |
#12 |
 
Can we count on you standing up to other men here at DU when they |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 09:41 PM |
#222 |

You can count on me, but... |
Umbram |
May-31-07 02:30 AM |
#276 |

You know, you are probably right |
Morgana LaFey |
Jun-01-07 12:52 AM |
#407 |

Ok, I think I'm clear. |
Umbram |
Jun-01-07 06:34 PM |
#420 |

You don't believe in a "historical reality" of a movement -- |
Morgana LaFey |
Jun-01-07 09:48 PM |
#428 |

I'm sorry. |
Umbram |
Jun-01-07 10:29 PM |
#430 |

You and Douglas Feith -- |
Morgana LaFey |
Jun-02-07 10:16 PM |
#432 |

Yep, I agree |
Umbram |
Jun-02-07 11:37 PM |
#433 |

Do You TRULY Believe The Recent Issues With Cindy Have Had ANYTHING To Do With Her Being Female? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-30-07 10:56 AM |
#13 |
 
Consistently invalidating, maligning and ridiculing women is abusive. |
Lars39 |
May-30-07 11:02 AM |
#21 |
  
So You TRULY Believe The Abuse Towards Her Was Because She Was A Woman? Really? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-30-07 11:10 AM |
#27 |
   
There is an entire Snopes page devoted to lies about her status as Casey's "Mother" |
lwfern |
May-30-07 11:21 AM |
#32 |
    
No, Not By A Long Shot. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-30-07 11:27 AM |
#38 |
   
The topic isn't WHY women are silenced... |
Psyop Samurai |
May-30-07 12:34 PM |
#69 |
    
Hey - excellent response |
lukasahero |
May-30-07 04:08 PM |
#125 |
    
I note with some sadness |
hfojvt |
Jun-01-07 02:54 PM |
#419 |
   
you can only see motive, not opportunity? LOL. guys pick on who they can get away with it easiest. |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 07:06 PM |
#179 |
   
Straining at gnats while swallowing camels. |
urgk |
May-30-07 07:10 PM |
#182 |
   
excellent points |
zippy890 |
May-30-07 07:21 PM |
#184 |
   
I think you've hit the nail right on the head. |
Cabcere |
May-31-07 02:00 PM |
#353 |
   
Women are considered easier targets. Here's an example. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 11:24 AM |
#34 |
    
Yeah Right. Tell That To Kerry, Or Dean, Or Gore, Or The Slew Of Others. n/t |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-30-07 11:28 AM |
#40 |
     
oh, i love the "men are victims" card.. those who play it cannot see the irony. |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 06:44 PM |
#176 |
     
I wish you could be a woman for a few months. |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 04:31 PM |
#365 |
    
that has been done in movies and TV |
hfojvt |
Jun-01-07 02:36 PM |
#417 |
    
Cycling is a good analogy |
eridani |
May-30-07 05:20 PM |
#142 |
     
walking down the street alone has become problematic, and the men i know don;t see it |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 07:01 PM |
#178 |
      
I almost posted about that a few days ago. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 07:36 PM |
#186 |
       
yeah, biking got real dangerous... to many cute little swerves toward me, startling honks |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 07:54 PM |
#193 |
        
Yes, I got honked at on my bike by a guy "just being friendly." I read him the riot act about ... |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 10:24 PM |
#231 |
       
drivers do it to me all the time |
hfojvt |
Jun-01-07 01:56 PM |
#414 |
       
Crap parenting is in the eye of the worried parent. |
puebloknot |
Jun-01-07 10:58 PM |
#431 |
      
Something to try... |
urgk |
May-30-07 07:44 PM |
#189 |
       
my next phone will have video becuase of you, LOL... and welcome to DU ! |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 07:59 PM |
#196 |
       
That's a wonderful idea, with the ADDED benefit that it might have |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 09:47 PM |
#223 |
      
Men are like observers trying to document the behavior of nocturnal animals |
eridani |
May-30-07 11:32 PM |
#255 |
      
How to educate men on this topic: |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-31-07 10:00 AM |
#318 |
     
Good idea. |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 05:02 PM |
#377 |
     
Even driving is not safe. Many men think they have the right |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 04:41 PM |
#366 |
    
This is true. Men are also, in general, more aggressive towards women than men |
jpgray |
May-30-07 08:01 PM |
#198 |
     
i've noticed with guys at work they can be competative assholes with men and get over it- like it's |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 08:12 PM |
#202 |
    
To be fair, men can also be terrified of women |
jpgray |
May-30-07 08:21 PM |
#204 |
    
swag's a liar, i'm not that scary at all. hardly much at all. |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 08:27 PM |
#207 |
    
Can't compete with that. Two drinks and I'm anybody's. |
jpgray |
May-30-07 08:32 PM |
#210 |
    
that's handy information |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 09:22 PM |
#219 |
    
Remember as a man I think I'm socially obligated to compete |
jpgray |
May-31-07 01:11 AM |
#271 |
    
And do men ever get told by total strangers to "Smile!" nt |
raccoon |
May-31-07 09:07 AM |
#302 |
     
Yes. Although as best as I can gather, not as often as women do. On the |
John Q. Citizen |
May-31-07 01:28 PM |
#347 |
    
That was my experience as a college professor, too |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-31-07 09:56 AM |
#316 |
   
It often depends on whose ox is being gored. Just as majority ethnic groups |
John Q. Citizen |
May-31-07 01:22 PM |
#346 |
   
I think, being from an era when women were expected to be hard working but not heard |
truedelphi |
May-30-07 01:48 PM |
#101 |
   
Yes, And You;d Be Blind To Miss It... she's menopausal, shrill, too emotional, a drama queen.... |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 06:36 PM |
#174 |
   
To put what others have said another way... |
urgk |
May-30-07 07:17 PM |
#183 |
  
Of course the person you are responding to questions this... |
bliss_eternal |
May-30-07 05:39 PM |
#155 |
 
Of course they do |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 11:03 AM |
#22 |
 
Not the issues, but the attacks on her. |
NCevilDUer |
May-30-07 11:40 AM |
#45 |
 
"whore" |
WilliamPitt |
May-30-07 12:13 PM |
#56 |
  
I Believe There To Be A Difference Between The Root Of Anger And The Expression Of It. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-30-07 12:20 PM |
#63 |
 
I believe you have no clue what it means to be an outspoken female |
buddyhollysghost |
May-30-07 01:37 PM |
#97 |
  
Has no intention of trying, either. |
Lars39 |
May-30-07 01:55 PM |
#104 |
 
Oh, see, he's the voice of authority here on DU because he uses capital letters |
Oregonian |
May-30-07 05:08 PM |
#138 |
 
LOLZOMC |
Moochy |
May-30-07 11:49 PM |
#259 |
 
I hear ya |
BoneDaddy |
May-31-07 07:58 AM |
#291 |
 
My comments are stupid? |
buddyhollysghost |
May-31-07 11:54 AM |
#333 |
 
YES! same with Rosie, same with Code Pink, same with Jane Fonda |
nashville_brook |
May-30-07 12:20 PM |
#62 |
 
The Issues, No, The Attacks, Yes |
Crisco |
May-30-07 12:44 PM |
#74 |

Not just women, I noticed this on an open board |
yurbud |
May-30-07 10:59 AM |
#14 |
 
You're right. It's not just women. |
sfexpat2000 |
May-30-07 11:08 AM |
#25 |
  
ideas targeted and shouted off the stage |
yurbud |
May-30-07 11:24 AM |
#35 |
 
CASE IN POINT: check out some of the anti-Nader posters like this guy: |
yurbud |
May-30-07 12:38 PM |
#70 |

and the same guy anti-Chavez: |
yurbud |
May-30-07 12:41 PM |
#73 |
 
The anti-Chavez stuff isn't SEXUALIZED n/t |
eridani |
May-30-07 05:22 PM |
#145 |
  
yeah, just the same level of venom. Also, the sexual angle is not as insulting to guys |
yurbud |
May-30-07 09:20 PM |
#218 |
 
The reason it isn't as insulting-- |
eridani |
May-30-07 11:47 PM |
#258 |
 
that's why racist comments bother blacks but not really whites |
yurbud |
May-31-07 02:05 AM |
#275 |
 
"Out of Context" |
Moochy |
May-31-07 01:29 AM |
#272 |

The anti-Nader stuff isn't SEXUALIZED n/t |
eridani |
May-30-07 05:22 PM |
#144 |

you mean Ralph "I would rather have George Bush than Al Gore" Nader? |
northzax |
May-31-07 10:39 AM |
#327 |

Wrong. You cannot prove that Nader voters would have voted for Gore |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 04:51 PM |
#368 |

George Bush won florida, in the final count |
northzax |
May-31-07 05:11 PM |
#381 |

Recommended. Post says it all. No comment necessary. n/t |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
May-30-07 10:59 AM |
#15 |

k, r, and thanks, lwfern. It takes courage these days just to put |
coffeenap |
May-30-07 11:00 AM |
#18 |

Excellent, much needed post. K&R. |
Dhalgren |
May-30-07 11:01 AM |
#20 |

or dismiss us with the term "bitch" |
Connonym |
May-30-07 11:03 AM |
#23 |
 
My Dad said that about to my mother HRC ONE time |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 11:09 AM |
#26 |
  
Yay Mom! nt |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 03:07 PM |
#110 |
 
BINGO! Our language makes it easier to criticize women. There is no male version of 'bitch'. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 11:26 AM |
#37 |
  
Not only that, it works both ways (two way street) |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 10:02 PM |
#226 |
 
Quite the opposite. Most men are pure cowards - attacking those they KNOW they can get away with.... |
BlooInBloo |
May-30-07 11:29 AM |
#42 |
 
Fear? |
BoneDaddy |
May-30-07 08:19 PM |
#203 |

Of course you wouldn't trust her with your emotional self -- |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 10:07 PM |
#227 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-31-07 07:41 AM |
#286 |

Yeah, that's not at all misogynistic |
Connonym |
May-31-07 10:09 AM |
#321 |

Sometimes Bitch is the best word for the context. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 10:31 PM |
#239 |
 
exactly as you say |
Connonym |
May-30-07 10:40 PM |
#243 |
 
Thank you, lwfern for this very important thread... |
prairierose |
May-31-07 10:26 AM |
#325 |

Of course words have power! As I said earlier, verbal abuse is often the precursor of physical |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 05:07 PM |
#378 |

You say word police I say improve your vocabulary |
Connonym |
May-30-07 10:38 PM |
#241 |

So then doesn't that make you a hypocrite |
BoneDaddy |
May-31-07 07:46 AM |
#288 |

re-read my post |
Connonym |
May-31-07 09:59 AM |
#317 |

And here we have a man coming along |
lwfern |
May-31-07 10:18 AM |
#324 |

I think the key to change in this country is through women |
bambino |
May-30-07 11:07 AM |
#24 |
 
So your'e vote is for Hillary in 2008? |
smtpgirl |
May-30-07 10:59 PM |
#248 |

Guess what, Hillary isn't the only woman in the US |
Connonym |
May-31-07 10:03 AM |
#319 |

But I do believe in a majority of white men |
smtpgirl |
May-31-07 11:06 PM |
#403 |

k and r |
cwydro |
May-30-07 11:13 AM |
#28 |

Sadly, there are still many men who... |
Mr_Jefferson_24 |
May-30-07 11:14 AM |
#29 |
 
Yes. On Trek boards they have a problem with "Janeway rape" threads. |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 11:40 AM |
#46 |

Personal experience with a local humanist chapter 20+ years ago. |
no_hypocrisy |
May-30-07 11:15 AM |
#30 |
 
That thinking is prevalent in more of society than just philanthropic groups. |
Clark2008 |
May-30-07 11:53 AM |
#50 |

Yeah, I know. It's like people who don't know me always address me as "Mrs." as in their |
no_hypocrisy |
May-30-07 11:59 AM |
#52 |

I know! I usually carry the money in our relationship and they |
Clark2008 |
May-30-07 12:17 PM |
#59 |

When I graduated from one of the last independent, all-women's colleges, |
no_hypocrisy |
May-30-07 12:23 PM |
#67 |

Salon did a series of arcticles about this a month or two ago. |
Iris |
May-30-07 11:17 AM |
#31 |

Organized harassment and "gang" or cause stalking is essentially being funded by this Administration |
shance |
May-30-07 11:58 AM |
#51 |

um, the web can be quite anonymous too |
IronLionZion |
May-30-07 12:04 PM |
#53 |
 
See post 55 |
WilliamPitt |
May-30-07 12:13 PM |
#57 |
  
point taken Will, I sure as hell don't want to be a public figure |
IronLionZion |
May-30-07 12:18 PM |
#61 |
 
You see a pattern there? |
lwfern |
May-30-07 12:20 PM |
#64 |
  
Well, that's the wrong way to do things |
IronLionZion |
May-30-07 01:35 PM |
#95 |
  
Exhibit A: "Pink Tutus" |
sam kane |
May-30-07 04:01 PM |
#123 |
 
Exhibit B: "Panty-waisted. Bitches." |
lwfern |
May-31-07 08:23 AM |
#296 |
  
Your voice is so strong and clear--I'm so glad you're here! |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 06:33 PM |
#391 |
 
Exhibit C: "That Crazy Old Bitch" |
lwfern |
May-31-07 09:22 PM |
#400 |
 
Exhibit D: "She's a whore" |
Imagevision |
May-31-07 11:09 PM |
#404 |
 
notice that the abuse is couched in FEMINIZING the person -- gender is the weapon |
nashville_brook |
May-30-07 12:23 PM |
#66 |
 
The terms used to "insult" liberal men are terms reserved for denigrating women. |
terisan |
May-30-07 12:50 PM |
#76 |
  
don't believe for one second it is only right wing men |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 12:53 PM |
#79 |
   
I was wondering whether or not to post this very thing |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 01:52 PM |
#102 |
  
been taking a bit of a break... |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 02:21 PM |
#105 |
  
It's so easy, eh? |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 02:26 PM |
#106 |
  
Even on this board... |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 03:29 PM |
#117 |
 
"girlie men" |
bbgrunt |
May-30-07 03:15 PM |
#115 |
  
Ah yes, perfect example - probably not in the way you meant though... |
lukasahero |
May-30-07 04:15 PM |
#128 |
 
The inverse of that is to "compliment" a woman by saying she "has balls." |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 10:25 PM |
#232 |
 
"He's so articulate..." |
lukasahero |
May-31-07 09:19 AM |
#306 |
 
"Male activists get called "pussies", "fags", "bitches", "fairies" " |
lukasahero |
May-30-07 04:19 PM |
#130 |

Well said |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 10:21 PM |
#230 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-31-07 09:38 AM |
#311 |
 
What are you talking about? |
IronLionZion |
May-31-07 11:32 AM |
#331 |

Unless you are a woman of color AND a lesbian |
lwfern |
May-31-07 01:40 PM |
#350 |

and disabled |
Oak2004 |
May-31-07 03:18 PM |
#356 |

Thanks for the reminder. |
lwfern |
May-31-07 03:52 PM |
#357 |

men get rape threats too, hell men get raped too |
IronLionZion |
May-31-07 11:37 AM |
#332 |

"Why I write not of men" |
lwfern |
May-31-07 12:27 PM |
#338 |

K&R! |
DKRC |
May-30-07 12:10 PM |
#54 |

and if the verbal abuse doesn't work out, escalation is real ala judy bari |
pitohui |
May-30-07 12:18 PM |
#60 |

big k 'n r -- you nailed it. |
nashville_brook |
May-30-07 12:22 PM |
#65 |

what you said |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 12:29 PM |
#68 |
 
and my personal favorite "it happens to men, too" |
lwfern |
May-30-07 12:39 PM |
#71 |

Ain't that the truth |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 01:52 PM |
#103 |

and not just men, but important men -- "public figures" men, |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 10:28 PM |
#236 |

Yep it happens |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-30-07 12:41 PM |
#72 |

What kind of activist |
MrPrax |
May-30-07 12:45 PM |
#75 |

true - men's war against women is alive and well |
donsu |
May-30-07 12:51 PM |
#77 |

It happens in the workplace ALL THE TIME. |
RevCheesehead |
May-30-07 12:52 PM |
#78 |

Excellent OP, thank you for posting this! |
Spazito |
May-30-07 12:54 PM |
#80 |

K&R |
petunia.here |
May-30-07 12:57 PM |
#81 |

It's Amazing, What Some People Think They Can Say To You When You Are A Female And Anti-War |
maggiegault |
May-30-07 12:57 PM |
#82 |
 
and thanks for illustrating... |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 01:00 PM |
#83 |

You're Very Welcome. It Isn't A Behavior Limited To GOP Idiots, Unfortunately. |
maggiegault |
May-30-07 01:04 PM |
#85 |

Exactly. He did it because he could get away with it. |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 10:33 PM |
#240 |

I Quit The Group, Even though I had been one of their most active members. |
maggiegault |
May-30-07 10:50 PM |
#247 |

Excellent Post -- K&R |
Hope2006 |
May-30-07 01:02 PM |
#84 |

"The world is full of hate" |
hfojvt |
May-30-07 01:07 PM |
#87 |
 
This thread is not about that. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 01:16 PM |
#89 |

Thanks, lwfern. |
intheflow |
May-30-07 01:14 PM |
#88 |

Psychological Warfare |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 01:17 PM |
#90 |
 
I think this post misses the point in four ways. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 01:30 PM |
#92 |

Good post n/t |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 01:36 PM |
#96 |

People are sheep! |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 01:41 PM |
#98 |
 
thought the sarcasm referred to the last part |
lwfern |
May-30-07 01:44 PM |
#100 |

On a serious note |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 02:57 PM |
#108 |

Yep, absolutely |
lwfern |
May-30-07 04:47 PM |
#133 |

dialogue or monologue? |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 05:01 PM |
#134 |
 
patronizing |
lwfern |
May-30-07 05:36 PM |
#153 |

Damn... |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 07:48 PM |
#190 |

Oh, by all means, yes. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 08:10 PM |
#201 |

Garp! Garp! Garp! |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 09:10 PM |
#217 |

My thoughts exactly. |
quantessd |
May-30-07 05:50 PM |
#163 |

Like the recient Supreme Court decision? |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 07:55 PM |
#195 |

I don't believe what men say; I believe what they do |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-31-07 10:15 AM |
#323 |

#5 |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 10:38 PM |
#242 |

k&r |
me b zola |
May-30-07 01:24 PM |
#91 |

Kick -- important OP |
LostinVA |
May-30-07 01:32 PM |
#93 |

K&R |
Pooka Fey |
May-30-07 01:33 PM |
#94 |

sexism is far from dead, but it is still invisible to some--just |
bbgrunt |
May-30-07 02:43 PM |
#107 |
 
I'm consistently stunned by the sexist language and opinions on DU. nt |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 03:09 PM |
#112 |

Like post #42? nt. |
Umbram |
May-31-07 02:03 AM |
#274 |

Great post-though I'm not sure what happened with Cindy the past couple of days... |
TheGoldenRule |
May-30-07 03:09 PM |
#111 |

Moving, agreed to, thank you for posting |
Anita Garcia |
May-30-07 03:09 PM |
#113 |

K&R! |
Karenina |
May-30-07 03:38 PM |
#118 |

K & Friggin R!! |
Triana |
May-30-07 03:43 PM |
#119 |

k&r - there is nothing I can add to this excellent post except to thank you |
yardwork |
May-30-07 03:44 PM |
#120 |

Disgusting. Suppression of women is largely based on Christian thought... |
Elrond Hubbard |
May-30-07 03:47 PM |
#122 |
 
That's what happens |
19jet54 |
May-30-07 04:12 PM |
#127 |
  
That's what happens when you take it literally, too |
Elrond Hubbard |
May-30-07 05:43 PM |
#158 |
 
Patriarchy, of which Christianity is a subset, but only ONE subset |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 11:43 PM |
#257 |
 
Jesus was quite fair in |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 05:16 PM |
#383 |

Disgusting. n/t |
whereismyparty |
May-30-07 04:02 PM |
#124 |

Thanks, Good post. |
DemExpat |
May-30-07 04:19 PM |
#129 |

Sad |
Tekla West |
May-30-07 04:21 PM |
#131 |

Ignorance and Hate team up to take on all sexes |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 04:46 PM |
#132 |
 
actually no they don't... |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 05:05 PM |
#135 |

So without all the ranting, your point is that women are ALWAYS victims of |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 05:22 PM |
#146 |

way to completely miss my point... |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 05:26 PM |
#148 |

"Ranting"? oh boy -- way to prove The OP's point. |
LostinVA |
May-31-07 09:38 AM |
#310 |

Check this out |
Horse with no Name |
May-30-07 05:05 PM |
#136 |

Verbal violence preceeds physical violence, and usually precipitates it. |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 05:15 PM |
#139 |
 
Preach it! |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 05:20 PM |
#143 |

I'm so sorry you've experienced this, too! There used to be some support among |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 05:25 PM |
#147 |
 
well, one thing that doesn't help... |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 05:28 PM |
#149 |

Absolutely. It's a clear indication that caring about the pain of others isn't |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 05:32 PM |
#152 |

we are so on the same wavelength |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 05:37 PM |
#154 |

thank you!! I remembered seeing that, but then couldn't find it to reply! |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 05:41 PM |
#156 |

peace at ya |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 05:43 PM |
#160 |

Ain't doin' no jackin' |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 05:46 PM |
#161 |

There could be all sorts of reasons. |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 05:29 PM |
#150 |
 
ya know...when it's almost always on threads... |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 05:32 PM |
#151 |
  
There you go again.... |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 05:43 PM |
#159 |
  
I have no idea who you are and I have never replied to any of your posts |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 05:47 PM |
#162 |
 
way to blow what I said completely out of proportion |
VelmaD |
May-30-07 05:51 PM |
#164 |
 
I only know you from the words you have chosen to reply to my posts. |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 06:08 PM |
#167 |
  
"I would offer that you think a bit more" |
lukasahero |
May-30-07 06:35 PM |
#173 |
 
He's a one-man show |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 11:59 PM |
#260 |
 
That is complete nonsense. |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-31-07 09:41 AM |
#313 |
 
Way to go, Vinnie!!! |
Karenina |
May-31-07 07:17 PM |
#394 |
 
Maybe he's doing a parody of the clueless. |
A-Schwarzenegger |
May-31-07 07:45 PM |
#395 |
 
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 05:43 PM |
#157 |
 
No. Bullies see women as "the weaker sex" and start from there. |
sfexpat2000 |
May-30-07 06:01 PM |
#166 |
  
I agree that sexist attacks on women seem to be the first |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 06:17 PM |
#169 |
   
I don't even think it's that polarized. How many women has Coulter |
sfexpat2000 |
May-30-07 06:20 PM |
#170 |
   
From my OP |
lwfern |
May-30-07 06:24 PM |
#171 |
   
I think if you do some research |
lukasahero |
May-30-07 06:36 PM |
#175 |
  
What if the women |
BoneDaddy |
May-31-07 07:57 AM |
#290 |
 
I didn't preclude the idea that women can be bullies. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-01-07 07:21 AM |
#411 |
 
I wasn't even gonna bother responding to that |
lwfern |
Jun-01-07 08:58 AM |
#412 |
 
Wow... |
urgk |
May-30-07 07:54 PM |
#194 |

You missed my point entirely |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 08:00 PM |
#197 |
 
Okay, let's see... |
urgk |
May-30-07 08:29 PM |
#208 |

Well maybe you should read the rest of her posts. |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-30-07 11:01 PM |
#250 |

"Well maybe you should read the rest of her posts." |
urgk |
May-30-07 11:40 PM |
#256 |

Your response is mildly amusing |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-31-07 12:22 AM |
#265 |

Let me map it out for you... |
urgk |
May-31-07 06:20 AM |
#283 |

Welcome to DU! |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-31-07 09:01 AM |
#300 |

I think I like you. |
Morgana LaFey |
May-31-07 12:02 AM |
#262 |

I've received hate mail for my LTTEs |
lapislzi |
May-31-07 09:26 AM |
#308 |

Brava lwfern! |
MuseRider |
May-30-07 06:10 PM |
#168 |

Hey, it's ok to discriminate against women |
AbbyR |
May-30-07 06:31 PM |
#172 |

Don't forget DU's own Ava. She was threatened with rape and death, and rape after death. |
Straight Shooter |
May-30-07 06:53 PM |
#177 |
 
Thank you. I cannot believe I forgot about that. |
lwfern |
May-30-07 07:43 PM |
#188 |
  
And it's ironic that her web site (and motto) is "Peace Takes Courage." |
Straight Shooter |
May-30-07 08:29 PM |
#209 |
 
What? Sick people |
nam78_two |
May-30-07 11:27 PM |
#254 |
 
But Ava's only 15, maybe 16 now? |
Raksha |
May-31-07 04:50 AM |
#277 |

That's the NORM, not an exception. |
lwfern |
May-31-07 08:10 AM |
#293 |

Exactly, lwfern... |
prairierose |
May-31-07 11:26 AM |
#329 |

k&r...n/t |
Madspirit |
May-30-07 07:09 PM |
#180 |

Kinda makes me want to send rape threats |
Jed Dilligan |
May-30-07 07:09 PM |
#181 |
 
and the reason it would be wrong ... |
lwfern |
May-30-07 07:48 PM |
#191 |

All right... |
Jed Dilligan |
May-30-07 07:52 PM |
#192 |

k&r |
Swamp Rat |
May-30-07 07:25 PM |
#185 |
 
I'm glad you're back, Swamp Rat ! |
Lars39 |
May-30-07 07:41 PM |
#187 |

It's interesting how we decry the "hate" from the RW, but ... we women are supposed |
bobbolink |
May-30-07 08:04 PM |
#199 |

Oh my... |
MrPrax |
May-30-07 08:10 PM |
#200 |
 
I happen to agree |
BoneDaddy |
May-30-07 08:26 PM |
#205 |
  
"Never going get what you want that way." Would you be referring to equal rights we DESERVE? |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 10:27 PM |
#233 |
   
Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-31-07 07:51 AM |
#289 |
  
wow, i'm less than equal and a facist.... since i do regard your thoughts as total bullshit |
bettyellen |
May-31-07 08:20 AM |
#295 |
  
LOL |
BoneDaddy |
May-31-07 01:31 PM |
#348 |
  
oh i know it's ALL MY FAULT you like to use sexist racist words! my UPPITY + SHRILL WAYS |
bettyellen |
May-31-07 05:13 PM |
#382 |
  
Oh! So YOU'RE the one! |
lwfern |
May-31-07 09:16 PM |
#399 |
  
Do you think I really |
BoneDaddy |
Jun-01-07 01:26 PM |
#413 |
  
you broke DU rules- which are not facist, btwand are blaming the consequnces on others, child... |
bettyellen |
Jun-01-07 07:05 PM |
#423 |
  
"Never going get what you want that way." -- wish i could nominate this post... |
nashville_brook |
May-31-07 09:04 AM |
#301 |
 
just begrudging people their equal rights because they're all uppity. can you f'ing belive it? |
bettyellen |
May-31-07 07:55 PM |
#396 |
 
Oh, My, indeed |
lwfern |
May-30-07 08:27 PM |
#206 |
  
Two points...that's it |
MrPrax |
May-30-07 08:41 PM |
#211 |
 
The founding fathers got their rights cause everyone cooperated? |
lwfern |
May-30-07 09:05 PM |
#216 |
 
That's my point...!? |
MrPrax |
May-30-07 10:12 PM |
#228 |
 
White, male landowners got their rights....the rest of us had to work at it. nt |
MookieWilson |
May-30-07 10:27 PM |
#235 |
 
Oh, look, ladies. We have an expert on the Women's Movement |
Morgana LaFey |
May-31-07 12:15 AM |
#263 |

What? |
MrPrax |
May-31-07 08:10 AM |
#294 |

'" little rad butt"? |
sheeptramp |
May-31-07 01:49 PM |
#351 |

Why R U reply? |
MrPrax |
May-31-07 02:45 PM |
#354 |

K&R. Anybody who fails to see the misogyny in the attacks on Cindy |
A-Schwarzenegger |
May-30-07 08:42 PM |
#212 |

Thank you for posting.... |
femrap |
May-30-07 08:43 PM |
#213 |

K & R |
Totally Committed |
May-30-07 08:53 PM |
#214 |

And then, when any sensitive woman is reading this kind of tripe |
Morgana LaFey |
May-30-07 09:30 PM |
#220 |
 
why are we surprised that bad people do bad things? |
pitohui |
May-30-07 10:42 PM |
#245 |

it's pathetic to be disturbed by sexually threatening messages and we should just get used to it? |
bettyellen |
May-30-07 11:01 PM |
#249 |
 
some of these men are progressive on every other issue? no, they're not |
pitohui |
May-31-07 01:16 PM |
#345 |

Some of DU's oldest and "finest" members are sexist, some are |
Morgana LaFey |
May-31-07 12:25 AM |
#266 |

so this is about crapping on other DUers? i thought it was about bad guys attacking peace activists |
pitohui |
May-31-07 01:38 PM |
#349 |

meanwhile basic things like equal pay get further away with each passing year |
Morgana LaFey |
Jun-01-07 12:58 AM |
#408 |

K & R, I am WOMAN, I WILL NOT BE SILENCED |
smtpgirl |
May-30-07 09:57 PM |
#224 |

Wonderful post. |
Marie26 |
May-30-07 10:40 PM |
#244 |

Error: You've already recommended that thread. n/t |
bear425 |
May-30-07 10:47 PM |
#246 |

K&R from this "hysterical, emotional" woman |
nam78_two |
May-30-07 11:26 PM |
#253 |

As woman and mother, I salute this post; however... |
puebloknot |
May-31-07 12:00 AM |
#261 |
 
You're the only peson I've seen attribute gender bias |
Morgana LaFey |
May-31-07 12:35 AM |
#267 |
  
Maybe you just didn't happen to read the post I mentioned. I assure you... |
puebloknot |
May-31-07 05:09 AM |
#278 |
 
You misunderstood my point |
Morgana LaFey |
Jun-01-07 12:59 AM |
#409 |
 
"It's not worth trying to explain it to you." |
puebloknot |
Jun-01-07 09:22 PM |
#424 |
 
You misunderstood that one too |
Morgana LaFey |
Jun-01-07 09:33 PM |
#426 |
 
Great post. |
jpgray |
May-31-07 05:15 AM |
#280 |
  
Thank you! nt |
puebloknot |
May-31-07 05:21 AM |
#282 |
 
I interpret that gender bias slightly differently than you. |
lwfern |
May-31-07 06:46 AM |
#285 |

In fact, let's insist that they wear burlap sacks. Hairshirts, maybe... |
puebloknot |
May-31-07 10:10 PM |
#402 |

God, I wish it wasn't true |
9thkvius |
May-31-07 12:18 AM |
#264 |
 
Thank you, thank you |
Morgana LaFey |
May-31-07 12:39 AM |
#268 |

Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-31-07 01:07 AM |
#269 |

Men as idiots |
spag68 |
May-31-07 01:08 AM |
#270 |

Excellent post |
Der Blaue Engel |
May-31-07 01:50 AM |
#273 |

Is there no way to identify these men who are posting? |
mainer |
May-31-07 06:32 AM |
#284 |
 
Because people |
BoneDaddy |
May-31-07 09:15 AM |
#304 |

The poster was referring to the OP, which you need to read, btw. |
Lars39 |
May-31-07 09:31 AM |
#309 |
 
ah |
BoneDaddy |
May-31-07 09:40 AM |
#312 |

Um, actually, I think the poster is referring to ACTUAL death threats |
lukasahero |
May-31-07 10:08 AM |
#320 |

I completely agree... how many times even here do we see... |
glowing |
May-31-07 07:43 AM |
#287 |

Verbal violence is not acceptable in any form |
Thor_MN |
May-31-07 08:00 AM |
#292 |
 
It's different for any OPPRESSED GROUP. Not just women. |
lwfern |
May-31-07 08:31 AM |
#297 |

Best post ever. |
Cults4Bush |
May-31-07 08:51 AM |
#298 |

Some DU'ers do the same thing to Condoleeza Rice |
1932 |
May-31-07 09:07 AM |
#303 |
 
DUers have even used racial caricatures and stereotypes of Dr. Rice |
slackmaster |
May-31-07 04:43 PM |
#367 |

Great post. There are still a lot of people who feel women should be submissive. |
PA Democrat |
May-31-07 09:15 AM |
#305 |

K & R |
Le Taz Hot |
May-31-07 09:21 AM |
#307 |

We don't hear enough about this |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-31-07 09:52 AM |
#314 |

this is one of the most IMPORTANT posts on DU in some time.... |
mike_c |
May-31-07 09:56 AM |
#315 |
 
Hey, you got threatened too, professor Mike |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-31-07 10:10 AM |
#322 |

exactly-- not only did they not seriously threaten violence... |
mike_c |
May-31-07 10:35 AM |
#326 |

I find it terrifying how easy it is for some rather sick males to escalate to this point |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-31-07 11:28 PM |
#405 |

Thank you for posting this |
dancingAlone |
May-31-07 11:16 AM |
#328 |

This is why I was SO angry when Flynt was held up as a champion of free speech here. |
lwfern |
May-31-07 11:26 AM |
#330 |

Can we get another KICK in? |
blm |
May-31-07 12:17 PM |
#334 |

I was called a fat, greasy, Mexican lesbian on another board. |
Cleita |
May-31-07 12:23 PM |
#335 |
 
ha you did what I was going to say to you when I saw your title post |
themartyred |
May-31-07 12:27 PM |
#337 |
 
Me gusta como tu piensas! |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 05:07 PM |
#379 |
  
I wouldn't know if it's grammatically correct. LOL! |
Cleita |
May-31-07 05:23 PM |
#385 |
 
LOL. Just so you got the meaning. My |
DemBones DemBones |
May-31-07 05:57 PM |
#387 |
 
I have never trained a dog in any language, but maybe this will |
Cleita |
May-31-07 06:18 PM |
#388 |
 
An obnoxious man once told my SO that I'm a "mouthy bitch" |
lapislzi |
Jun-01-07 02:38 PM |
#418 |

kick |
coffeenap |
May-31-07 12:24 PM |
#336 |

Hartmann is all over this issue thus morning. |
Opposite Reaction |
May-31-07 12:39 PM |
#339 |
 
And when men attack other men in that way, often they are |
sfexpat2000 |
May-31-07 01:02 PM |
#343 |

A slight correction... |
Opposite Reaction |
May-31-07 01:12 PM |
#344 |

I've been thinking about this, and don't believe it works that way. |
sfexpat2000 |
May-31-07 04:29 PM |
#364 |

Rape of men by men is still gendered violence |
lwfern |
May-31-07 04:58 PM |
#372 |

Oh, of course. But it's not clear to me (at all) that this is |
sfexpat2000 |
May-31-07 05:02 PM |
#376 |

K&R!! Thank you.... |
KAT119 |
May-31-07 12:46 PM |
#340 |

Look at the Rosie/ Elizabeth spat recently |
Lorien |
May-31-07 12:59 PM |
#342 |

K&R. |
Cabcere |
May-31-07 01:51 PM |
#352 |

kicking. i agree--it's exactly what happened to cindy here. it was not a |
orleans |
May-31-07 02:51 PM |
#355 |

Robin Morgan's fire-breathing manifesto "Goodbye To All That" |
Raksha |
May-31-07 04:09 PM |
#362 |

How do I begin.. |
Feron |
May-31-07 04:54 PM |
#369 |
 
I remember that post. |
lwfern |
May-31-07 05:20 PM |
#384 |
  
Oh, yes, men who are not exactly fashion plates themselves act as if |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-31-07 05:48 PM |
#386 |
 
That's a very useful concept: Fuckable vs. unfuckable women. |
Raksha |
May-31-07 06:26 PM |
#389 |
 
Corrugated Woman |
puebloknot |
Jun-01-07 09:39 PM |
#427 |

Here's another woman who threatened the power structure... |
Neecy |
May-31-07 05:00 PM |
#374 |
 
"The Language War," by Robin Tolmach Lakoff |
Karenina |
May-31-07 07:03 PM |
#393 |

I want to thank all the strong and beautiful women for adding their voices here! |
bobbolink |
May-31-07 06:31 PM |
#390 |
 
This thread has been fabulous |
gollygee |
May-31-07 06:37 PM |
#392 |
  
Absolutely! All the roaring is uplifting! |
bobbolink |
Jun-01-07 06:49 PM |
#421 |
 
the quality of discourse is simply wonderful! |
nashville_brook |
Jun-01-07 02:16 PM |
#415 |

heh--- I thought I was pretty articulate, ^_^, but I"ve copied some of the |
bobbolink |
Jun-01-07 06:50 PM |
#422 |

Congrats, Fern... Thom Hartmann apparently referred to this post |
hlthe2b |
May-31-07 09:50 PM |
#401 |

Yep, I Heard It - He Referenced Fern And DU |
lligrd |
Jun-01-07 02:18 PM |
#416 |

Cool. I love Thom Hartmann |
Nikki Stone1 |
Jun-02-07 11:38 PM |
#434 |