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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 12:50 PM
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6. Why eliminating ammo from Kmart made no difference.
First of all, the 9mm ammunition is not only handgun ammunition. There are carbine rifles that also use them. It is a fool's errand to try and ban the sale of "handgun ammunition" when many rifles utilize the same ammunition. For example, the Beretta CX4 rifle utilizes 9mm, .40, or .45 ammunition, often associated with handguns. My father owns a deer rifle in .44 magnum, often associated with handguns. The Thompson sub-machine gun, and civilian semi-automatic variants made by Auto Ordinance, also utilize the .45 ACP cartridge. I'm sure there are countless examples.

Secondly, the only reason why there was not much outcry over Kmart stopping carrying ammunition is because it made no real impact on availability. I used to buy all my ammunition at Walmart.

But recently I've started reloading, because of price. A box of 50 .45 ACP cartridges costs about $25, or $.50 a round. But I can reload my own for about $4, or about $.08 a round. I salvage my brass, and use recycled wheel weights to make the bullets.

Michael Moore says there about 7 million firearms in Canada killing 200 people a year. But in the United States we have 200-300 million firearms! That is about 30 times more firearms than are in Canada. From Wikipedia:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gun_viol...

The firearm homicide rate in Canada is .54 per 100,000 people. In the United States it is 3.97. Thus the US firearm homicide rate is just over 7 times as high as it is in Canada. But we have 30 times more firearms than they do.

Micheal Moore opines on how great Canada's 28 day waiting period is. But most firearm homicides are not committed by people who just "snap". Most firearm homicides are committed by people with extensive prior criminal history, including, on average 4 felonies:

http://www.cardozolawreview.com/index.php?option=com_co...

Once you have confirmed that someone does not have a criminal background, you can be fairly certain that this person is not going to commit a firearm homicide, and probably any crime, with it. And since that background check can be done in minutes, what purpose is served by making someone wait 28 days?

He also tells us how great it is that in Canada you have to get a permission note from your spouse or ex-spouse to buy a gun. Wow. Do you really want your ex having a say over what you can spend your money on? How many people out there have vindictive exes who would say no just out of spite?

Michael Moore goes on about hunting in Canada, without noting that in the United States only 1 in 5 firearm owners hunt. Most firearm owners in this country are not hunters.

He also goes on about how fear is what drives people to want to be armed to defend themselves or their homes. I think this is a mis-characterization. Yes, it is fear that drives people to buy firearms, but no more so than how fear drives me to buy homeowner insurance, or keep a spare tire in my car, or fire extinguishers, or smoke detectors, or carbon monoxide detectors. Yes, I own all of those things out of the fear that my house might burn down, or I might have a flat tire, or my furnace might malfunction and poison my family in the night. But it's not chair-arm, hand-wringing fear like Michael Moore would have you believe. It is rather a rational assessment of risk. The fact of the matter is, I'm not likely to need my homeowner's insurance, or my spare tire, or smoke detector, or a firearm. But I am a modern human being living in modern times where we have easy, inexpensive access to tools that can help us in times of need, no matter how unlikely those times are to occur. And since the cost of the tools are so cheap compared to the cost of finding ourselves in a situation where we need them and don't have them, it's simple prudence to avail ourselves to the tools.

It makes a good sound bite to say that a Federal Judge's life is worth only $.17. Of course this ignores the fact that the pistol the shooter used costs $550, but this is really beside the point. On this point Mr. Moore is essentially right - in our society we have relatively free access to firearms. This is as our founders intended. It is our Constitutional right. It is, ultimately, the right of revolution. Hopefully, we will ever need it. But our founders were not so optimistic as to think that they had created the pinnacle of representative government, and consequently they built into our Constitution a reset button. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you think it can realistically be exercised or not, the fact is, this is a right that most other nations on this planet do not have. As the father of the 9-year-old girl shot in Arizona, Christina, said, this is the price we pay for that freedom.

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