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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #49
50. Can you?
"it may be" is not equal to "is".

I understand that Harris' thought experiments are difficult to follow and that many people confuse his meanderings with what he actually thinks.

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  -Sam Harris: Religious Fundamentalism, Impact On Everyday Life Charleston Chew  Nov-17-10 06:27 AM   #0 
  - Same here...Just started reading his new book.  SkyDaddy7   Nov-17-10 06:37 AM   #1 
  - There are some, even on DU, who insist...  trotsky   Nov-17-10 06:47 AM   #2 
  - similar to....  Charleston Chew   Nov-17-10 06:53 AM   #3 
  - The Dangerous Atheism of Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris by Chris Hedges  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-17-10 06:58 AM   #4 
  - Wow! But isn't Harris like a world-famous Atheist and not a Fundie?  alanquatermass   Nov-17-10 07:35 AM   #6 
  - "us"  Charleston Chew   Nov-17-10 08:30 AM   #8 
     - Ha! I am definitely a white guy -- damn, is it that obvious?! -- but what I meant was...  alanquatermass   Nov-17-10 05:19 PM   #13 
  - Thanks for that  cpwm17   Nov-17-10 10:00 AM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-17-10 10:06 AM   #12 
  - Thank you for posting that!  CrawlingChaos   Nov-17-10 11:59 PM   #15 
     - indeed, Absolutist demagoguery is not the exclusive domain of religionists.  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-18-10 12:46 AM   #18 
  - the answer, religion or science?  Charleston Chew   Nov-17-10 07:05 AM   #5 
  - Any Religion + Power = Murdering of infidels.  TwentyFive   Nov-17-10 08:00 AM   #7 
  - Niemller's famous quotation  Charleston Chew   Nov-17-10 08:33 AM   #9 
  - I think you are 1000% correct...  SkyDaddy7   Nov-17-10 09:35 AM   #10 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-17-10 05:29 PM   #14 
     - Sam Harris up there disagrees with you  CrawlingChaos   Nov-18-10 12:07 AM   #16 
        - "Uniquely dangerous..."??  alanquatermass   Nov-18-10 12:16 AM   #17 
        - Could you perhaps point to the official document...  trotsky   Nov-18-10 07:08 AM   #23 
        - official document - WTF?  CrawlingChaos   Nov-18-10 03:31 PM   #29 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-18-10 04:57 PM   #30 
              - a truly nonsensical response  CrawlingChaos   Nov-18-10 05:43 PM   #31 
              - Thanks for the links  Turborama   Nov-22-10 01:53 AM   #99 
              - It's nothing to do with atheism  cpwm17   Nov-18-10 05:51 PM   #32 
                 - You also miss the point.  trotsky   Nov-19-10 06:02 AM   #37 
        - I beg your pardon, but...  Charleston Chew   Nov-18-10 07:53 AM   #24 
           - Here's a passage in Harris' book "The End of Faith"  cpwm17   Nov-18-10 10:18 AM   #27 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-18-10 01:53 AM   #19 
  - Sam Harris is pro-torture and he does advocate a possible nuclear first strike against the Arab and  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-18-10 02:16 AM   #20 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-18-10 02:38 AM   #21 
     - in his book "The End of Faith"  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-18-10 02:47 AM   #22 
     - Thank you for the reference.  ForeignSpectator   Nov-18-10 08:01 AM   #25 
        - actually Sam Harris wrote an article for Huffington Post called: In Defense of Torture  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-18-10 11:53 AM   #28 
           - Once again, thanks for the reference, however you lost the argument....  ForeignSpectator   Nov-18-10 06:24 PM   #33 
           - in your own mind, maybe  CrawlingChaos   Nov-18-10 06:53 PM   #34 
           - I'm sorry, but you are engaging in crass sophistry, Sam Harris said what he said  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-18-10 07:00 PM   #35 
           - You give imcomplete quotes out of context and you accuse ME of spinning?  ForeignSpectator   Nov-19-10 07:07 AM   #41 
              - I followed them and the addition to the quote actually makes Douglas' argument even stronger....  Turborama   Nov-19-10 07:33 AM   #45 
                 - Why didn't you bold this part:  trotsky   Nov-19-10 09:04 AM   #48 
                    - Can you read?  Turborama   Nov-19-10 09:24 AM   #49 
                       - Can you?  trotsky   Nov-19-10 09:28 AM   #50 
                          - LOL, is that all you're left with?  Turborama   Nov-19-10 10:04 AM   #51 
                          - When you refuse to actually read, yeah, it's all I have left.  trotsky   Nov-19-10 11:05 AM   #53 
                             - And now you've shown you've got nothing.  Turborama   Nov-19-10 11:30 AM   #55 
                                - Nothing will counter your nothing, I agree. n/t  trotsky   Nov-19-10 11:52 AM   #57 
                                   - Carry on embarrassing yourself.  Turborama   Nov-19-10 12:56 PM   #62 
                                      - Oh we agree there's someone getting embarrassed alright. n/t  trotsky   Nov-19-10 01:46 PM   #64 
                                         - And it sure ain't me.  Turborama   Nov-19-10 06:45 PM   #68 
                                         - If that's what you need to believe!  trotsky   Nov-20-10 09:11 AM   #72 
                          - Some may call them thought experiments  cpwm17   Nov-19-10 10:33 AM   #52 
                             - "they obviously reflects (sic) what he actually thinks"  trotsky   Nov-19-10 11:07 AM   #54 
                                - Do you think it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe?  Turborama   Nov-19-10 11:34 AM   #56 
                                - Why, am I required to have an opinion?  trotsky   Nov-19-10 11:53 AM   #58 
                                   - Asking someone a question related to the topic of conversation means they're the thought police?  Turborama   Nov-19-10 12:51 PM   #59 
                                      - You haven't told me why I should.  trotsky   Nov-19-10 12:53 PM   #60 
                                         - You haven't asked me to, not that I should have to during a normal discussion.  Turborama   Nov-19-10 01:01 PM   #63 
                                         - I'm not defending his stance,  trotsky   Nov-19-10 01:47 PM   #65 
                                         - Yes, you obviously are  Turborama   Nov-19-10 06:49 PM   #69 
                                         - Of course it's an "epic failure" because I'm not defending the strawman.  trotsky   Nov-20-10 09:12 AM   #73 
                                         - Invalid use of the strawman thing. Your refusal to answer a simple question is what's going on here  Turborama   Nov-20-10 10:58 AM   #83 
                                         - From a strawman to a red herring.  trotsky   Nov-21-10 06:35 AM   #86 
                                         - Sam Harris wrote it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe.  Turborama   Nov-21-10 08:40 AM   #88 
                                         - You have done nothing but try and make this about me and/or my opinion.  trotsky   Nov-21-10 09:33 AM   #89 
                                         - I have asked you whether you agree with him, correct. You have deflected & refused to answer.  Turborama   Nov-21-10 10:18 AM   #90 
                                         - One's opinion on what Harris meant...  trotsky   Nov-21-10 10:38 AM   #91 
                                         - "but he did not say what you & others are insinuating" We are directly quoting him, ffs!  Turborama   Nov-22-10 01:10 AM   #97 
                                         - So you CAN'T quit me.  trotsky   Nov-22-10 06:20 AM   #101 
                                         - Don't flatter yourself  Turborama   Nov-22-10 11:06 AM   #103 
                                         - I can't help it if the shoe fits you.  trotsky   Nov-22-10 11:25 AM   #104 
                                         - What, am I supposed to apologize to you for asking you a question?  Turborama   Nov-22-10 11:33 AM   #105 
                                         - You've tried and tried to get me to play your game,  trotsky   Nov-22-10 11:44 AM   #106 
                                         - No "game playing" involved at all.  Turborama   Nov-22-10 11:56 AM   #107 
                                         - And your question is flawed on two counts:  trotsky   Nov-22-10 12:03 PM   #108 
                                         - This is a full exact quote of what Harris said and where the question is derived from...  Turborama   Nov-22-10 12:22 PM   #109 
                                         - Please re-read what you responded to with the passage I quoted.  trotsky   Nov-22-10 12:24 PM   #110 
                                         - I have never discussed Hedges' take on this with you or anyone else.  Turborama   Nov-22-10 12:27 PM   #111 
                                         - Your opinon is Hedges' opinion.  trotsky   Nov-22-10 12:32 PM   #112 
                                         - I honestly haven't read Hedges' opinion on this.  Turborama   Nov-22-10 12:40 PM   #113 
                                         - Fine then.  trotsky   Nov-22-10 12:48 PM   #114 
                                         - I hadn't seen that you had added that quote on edit, hence the confusion.  Turborama   Nov-22-10 01:04 PM   #115 
                                         - ...  trotsky   Nov-22-10 01:17 PM   #116 
                                         - "But please note - you did not answer my question." !ROTFLMAO!  Turborama   Nov-22-10 01:31 PM   #117 
                                         - I understand why you won't answer the question.  trotsky   Nov-22-10 01:34 PM   #118 
                                         - I did answer it.  Turborama   Nov-22-10 01:35 PM   #119 
                                         - More games from you - it's how I know you've lost again.  trotsky   Nov-22-10 01:52 PM   #121 
                                         - You're only dodging & saying I wasn't direct enough to satisfy you when I have made myself clear  Turborama   Nov-22-10 02:02 PM   #122 
                                         - LMAO  trotsky   Nov-22-10 02:07 PM   #123 
                                         - You're accusing me of not being direct enough to satisfy you. Where's your answer to my question?  Turborama   Nov-22-10 02:13 PM   #124 
                                         - Once again, YOUR secondary question was a red herring.  trotsky   Nov-22-10 02:26 PM   #126 
                                         - Harris: "it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe"  Turborama   Nov-22-10 02:36 PM   #128 
                                         - Still unproven, by both you and Chris Hedges.  trotsky   Nov-22-10 02:55 PM   #130 
                                         - Harris has not denied that he wants "the U.S. government to start killing Muslims by the millions"  Turborama   Nov-22-10 02:19 PM   #125 
                                         - Why did he put up a page to address the controversy, then?  trotsky   Nov-22-10 02:28 PM   #127 
                                         - He put up a page to address "controversies". He answered at length and in detail the other positions  Turborama   Nov-22-10 02:47 PM   #129 
                                         - Still unproven, by both you and Chris Hedges.  trotsky   Nov-22-10 02:55 PM   #131 
                                         - No, my entire argument relies on the full text of what he wrote.  Turborama   Nov-22-10 03:01 PM   #132 
                                - We're going in circles on this  cpwm17   Nov-19-10 12:54 PM   #61 
                                   - Except Harris says that you are both wrong.  trotsky   Nov-19-10 01:49 PM   #66 
                                      - Sam Harris is pro-torture and he does advocate a possible nuclear first strike against the Islamic  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-19-10 02:57 PM   #67 
                                         - Unfortunately I have concerns about Dawkins also  CrawlingChaos   Nov-20-10 03:46 AM   #70 
                                         - I've never heard him say anything like that  cpwm17   Nov-20-10 10:35 AM   #78 
                                         - Jebus.  trotsky   Nov-20-10 09:10 AM   #71 
                                            - Those are Sam Harris' words not mine  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-20-10 10:12 AM   #74 
                                            - Doesn't matter what someone says,  trotsky   Nov-20-10 10:22 AM   #75 
                                            - no mind reading - just reading Sam Harris' own words. He is absolutely clear.  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-20-10 10:24 AM   #76 
                                            - Harris re: nuclear option: "I have just described a plausible scenario..."  trotsky   Nov-20-10 10:29 AM   #77 
                                            - I would suggest that people read his entire articles if they want to know what he believes  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-20-10 10:38 AM   #79 
                                            - I gave you direct quotes pertinent to the claims you've made...  trotsky   Nov-20-10 10:41 AM   #80 
                                            - out of context quotes .. people should read what he actually said if they really want to know  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-20-10 10:47 AM   #81 
                                            - Yes, your entire position is based on out of context quotes.  trotsky   Nov-20-10 10:51 AM   #82 
                                            - whatever....believe what you want to believe  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-20-10 11:03 AM   #84 
                                            - Thanks for the links, Douglas.  Turborama   Nov-20-10 11:41 AM   #85 
                                            - For the record, I am not a "fan" of Sam Harris.  trotsky   Nov-21-10 10:41 AM   #92 
                                            - I didn't name any names in my reply to Douglas  Turborama   Nov-22-10 01:17 AM   #98 
                                            - You have a lousy poker face.  trotsky   Nov-22-10 06:17 AM   #100 
           - Aw, what's a little thing like context when you have people to bash?  trotsky   Nov-19-10 06:03 AM   #38 
           - The context is clear - bigotry  cpwm17   Nov-19-10 06:33 AM   #39 
              - Harris called a nuclear first strike an "unconscionable act."  trotsky   Nov-19-10 06:36 AM   #40 
                 - Thank you! You actually bothered "reading"  ForeignSpectator   Nov-19-10 07:11 AM   #42 
                 - It's sad that the same progressives who decry...  trotsky   Nov-19-10 07:43 AM   #46 
                 - He does promote aggressive war  cpwm17   Nov-19-10 07:27 AM   #44 
                    - What Harris describes is what the US was trying to do with Hitler in WW2.  trotsky   Nov-19-10 07:45 AM   #47 
                       - Let's fear the Muslim Blitzkrieg  cpwm17   Nov-21-10 07:27 AM   #87 
                          - Nope, not saying that at all.  trotsky   Nov-21-10 10:49 AM   #93 
                             - My point is obvious  cpwm17   Nov-21-10 11:19 AM   #94 
                                - They always have to have the last word  Turborama   Nov-21-10 11:45 AM   #95 
                                - Obvious but irrelevant.  trotsky   Nov-21-10 11:57 AM   #96 
           - BTW, the content of the post above is something Douglas wrote  Turborama   Nov-19-10 07:25 AM   #43 
           - Very well said, Douglas! You should post that as an OP. n/t  Turborama   Nov-18-10 07:24 PM   #36 
     - Laugh Out Loud!  Charleston Chew   Nov-18-10 08:06 AM   #26 
     - BS n/t  DeSwiss   Nov-22-10 01:36 PM   #120 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-22-10 06:42 AM   #102 
  - Sam is full of it. The Torah and the Bible make martyrs into saints, and read Leviticus  herbm   Nov-23-10 01:29 PM   #133 

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