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| -Sam Harris: Religious Fundamentalism, Impact On Everyday Life |
Charleston Chew |
Nov-17-10 06:27 AM |
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Same here...Just started reading his new book. |
SkyDaddy7 |
Nov-17-10 06:37 AM |
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There are some, even on DU, who insist... |
trotsky |
Nov-17-10 06:47 AM |
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similar to.... |
Charleston Chew |
Nov-17-10 06:53 AM |
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The Dangerous Atheism of Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris by Chris Hedges |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-17-10 06:58 AM |
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Wow! But isn't Harris like a world-famous Atheist and not a Fundie? |
alanquatermass |
Nov-17-10 07:35 AM |
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"us" |
Charleston Chew |
Nov-17-10 08:30 AM |
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Ha! I am definitely a white guy -- damn, is it that obvious?! -- but what I meant was... |
alanquatermass |
Nov-17-10 05:19 PM |
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Thanks for that |
cpwm17 |
Nov-17-10 10:00 AM |
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Nov-17-10 10:06 AM |
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Thank you for posting that! |
CrawlingChaos |
Nov-17-10 11:59 PM |
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indeed, Absolutist demagoguery is not the exclusive domain of religionists. |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-18-10 12:46 AM |
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the answer, religion or science? |
Charleston Chew |
Nov-17-10 07:05 AM |
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Any Religion + Power = Murdering of infidels. |
TwentyFive |
Nov-17-10 08:00 AM |
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Niemöller's famous quotation |
Charleston Chew |
Nov-17-10 08:33 AM |
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I think you are 1000% correct... |
SkyDaddy7 |
Nov-17-10 09:35 AM |
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Nov-17-10 05:29 PM |
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Sam Harris up there disagrees with you |
CrawlingChaos |
Nov-18-10 12:07 AM |
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"Uniquely dangerous..."?? |
alanquatermass |
Nov-18-10 12:16 AM |
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Could you perhaps point to the official document... |
trotsky |
Nov-18-10 07:08 AM |
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official document - WTF? |
CrawlingChaos |
Nov-18-10 03:31 PM |
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Nov-18-10 04:57 PM |
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a truly nonsensical response |
CrawlingChaos |
Nov-18-10 05:43 PM |
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Thanks for the links |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 01:53 AM |
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It's nothing to do with atheism |
cpwm17 |
Nov-18-10 05:51 PM |
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You also miss the point. |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 06:02 AM |
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I beg your pardon, but... |
Charleston Chew |
Nov-18-10 07:53 AM |
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Here's a passage in Harris' book "The End of Faith" |
cpwm17 |
Nov-18-10 10:18 AM |
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Nov-18-10 01:53 AM |
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Sam Harris is pro-torture and he does advocate a possible nuclear first strike against the Arab and |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-18-10 02:16 AM |
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Nov-18-10 02:38 AM |
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in his book "The End of Faith" |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-18-10 02:47 AM |
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Thank you for the reference. |
ForeignSpectator |
Nov-18-10 08:01 AM |
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actually Sam Harris wrote an article for Huffington Post called: In Defense of Torture |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-18-10 11:53 AM |
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Once again, thanks for the reference, however you lost the argument.... |
ForeignSpectator |
Nov-18-10 06:24 PM |
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in your own mind, maybe |
CrawlingChaos |
Nov-18-10 06:53 PM |
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I'm sorry, but you are engaging in crass sophistry, Sam Harris said what he said |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-18-10 07:00 PM |
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You give imcomplete quotes out of context and you accuse ME of spinning? |
ForeignSpectator |
Nov-19-10 07:07 AM |
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I followed them and the addition to the quote actually makes Douglas' argument even stronger.... |
Turborama |
Nov-19-10 07:33 AM |
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Why didn't you bold this part: |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 09:04 AM |
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Can you read? |
Turborama |
Nov-19-10 09:24 AM |
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Can you? |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 09:28 AM |
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LOL, is that all you're left with? |
Turborama |
Nov-19-10 10:04 AM |
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When you refuse to actually read, yeah, it's all I have left. |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 11:05 AM |
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And now you've shown you've got nothing. |
Turborama |
Nov-19-10 11:30 AM |
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Nothing will counter your nothing, I agree. n/t |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 11:52 AM |
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Carry on embarrassing yourself. |
Turborama |
Nov-19-10 12:56 PM |
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Oh we agree there's someone getting embarrassed alright. n/t |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 01:46 PM |
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And it sure ain't me. |
Turborama |
Nov-19-10 06:45 PM |
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If that's what you need to believe! |
trotsky |
Nov-20-10 09:11 AM |
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Some may call them thought experiments |
cpwm17 |
Nov-19-10 10:33 AM |
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"they obviously reflects (sic) what he actually thinks" |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 11:07 AM |
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Do you think it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe? |
Turborama |
Nov-19-10 11:34 AM |
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Why, am I required to have an opinion? |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 11:53 AM |
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Asking someone a question related to the topic of conversation means they're the thought police? |
Turborama |
Nov-19-10 12:51 PM |
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You haven't told me why I should. |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 12:53 PM |
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You haven't asked me to, not that I should have to during a normal discussion. |
Turborama |
Nov-19-10 01:01 PM |
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I'm not defending his stance, |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 01:47 PM |
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Yes, you obviously are |
Turborama |
Nov-19-10 06:49 PM |
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Of course it's an "epic failure" because I'm not defending the strawman. |
trotsky |
Nov-20-10 09:12 AM |
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Invalid use of the strawman thing. Your refusal to answer a simple question is what's going on here |
Turborama |
Nov-20-10 10:58 AM |
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From a strawman to a red herring. |
trotsky |
Nov-21-10 06:35 AM |
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Sam Harris wrote it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe. |
Turborama |
Nov-21-10 08:40 AM |
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You have done nothing but try and make this about me and/or my opinion. |
trotsky |
Nov-21-10 09:33 AM |
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I have asked you whether you agree with him, correct. You have deflected & refused to answer. |
Turborama |
Nov-21-10 10:18 AM |
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One's opinion on what Harris meant... |
trotsky |
Nov-21-10 10:38 AM |
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"but he did not say what you & others are insinuating" We are directly quoting him, ffs! |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 01:10 AM |
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So you CAN'T quit me. |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 06:20 AM |
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Don't flatter yourself |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 11:06 AM |
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I can't help it if the shoe fits you. |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 11:25 AM |
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What, am I supposed to apologize to you for asking you a question? |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 11:33 AM |
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You've tried and tried to get me to play your game, |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 11:44 AM |
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No "game playing" involved at all. |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 11:56 AM |
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And your question is flawed on two counts: |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 12:03 PM |
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This is a full exact quote of what Harris said and where the question is derived from... |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 12:22 PM |
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Please re-read what you responded to with the passage I quoted. |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 12:24 PM |
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I have never discussed Hedges' take on this with you or anyone else. |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 12:27 PM |
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Your opinon is Hedges' opinion. |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 12:32 PM |
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I honestly haven't read Hedges' opinion on this. |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 12:40 PM |
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Fine then. |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 12:48 PM |
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I hadn't seen that you had added that quote on edit, hence the confusion. |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 01:04 PM |
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... |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 01:17 PM |
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"But please note - you did not answer my question." !ROTFLMAO! |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 01:31 PM |
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I understand why you won't answer the question. |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 01:34 PM |
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I did answer it. |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 01:35 PM |
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More games from you - it's how I know you've lost again. |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 01:52 PM |
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You're only dodging & saying I wasn't direct enough to satisfy you when I have made myself clear |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 02:02 PM |
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LMAO |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 02:07 PM |
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You're accusing me of not being direct enough to satisfy you. Where's your answer to my question? |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 02:13 PM |
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Once again, YOUR secondary question was a red herring. |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 02:26 PM |
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Harris: "it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe" |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 02:36 PM |
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Still unproven, by both you and Chris Hedges. |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 02:55 PM |
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Harris has not denied that he wants "the U.S. government to start killing Muslims by the millions" |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 02:19 PM |
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Why did he put up a page to address the controversy, then? |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 02:28 PM |
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He put up a page to address "controversies". He answered at length and in detail the other positions |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 02:47 PM |
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Still unproven, by both you and Chris Hedges. |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 02:55 PM |
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No, my entire argument relies on the full text of what he wrote. |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 03:01 PM |
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We're going in circles on this |
cpwm17 |
Nov-19-10 12:54 PM |
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Except Harris says that you are both wrong. |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 01:49 PM |
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Sam Harris is pro-torture and he does advocate a possible nuclear first strike against the Islamic |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-19-10 02:57 PM |
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Unfortunately I have concerns about Dawkins also |
CrawlingChaos |
Nov-20-10 03:46 AM |
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I've never heard him say anything like that |
cpwm17 |
Nov-20-10 10:35 AM |
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Jebus. |
trotsky |
Nov-20-10 09:10 AM |
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Those are Sam Harris' words not mine |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-20-10 10:12 AM |
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Doesn't matter what someone says, |
trotsky |
Nov-20-10 10:22 AM |
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no mind reading - just reading Sam Harris' own words. He is absolutely clear. |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-20-10 10:24 AM |
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Harris re: nuclear option: "I have just described a plausible scenario..." |
trotsky |
Nov-20-10 10:29 AM |
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I would suggest that people read his entire articles if they want to know what he believes |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-20-10 10:38 AM |
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I gave you direct quotes pertinent to the claims you've made... |
trotsky |
Nov-20-10 10:41 AM |
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out of context quotes .. people should read what he actually said if they really want to know |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-20-10 10:47 AM |
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Yes, your entire position is based on out of context quotes. |
trotsky |
Nov-20-10 10:51 AM |
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whatever....believe what you want to believe |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-20-10 11:03 AM |
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Thanks for the links, Douglas. |
Turborama |
Nov-20-10 11:41 AM |
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For the record, I am not a "fan" of Sam Harris. |
trotsky |
Nov-21-10 10:41 AM |
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I didn't name any names in my reply to Douglas |
Turborama |
Nov-22-10 01:17 AM |
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You have a lousy poker face. |
trotsky |
Nov-22-10 06:17 AM |
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Aw, what's a little thing like context when you have people to bash? |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 06:03 AM |
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The context is clear - bigotry |
cpwm17 |
Nov-19-10 06:33 AM |
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Harris called a nuclear first strike an "unconscionable act." |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 06:36 AM |
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Thank you! You actually bothered "reading" |
ForeignSpectator |
Nov-19-10 07:11 AM |
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It's sad that the same progressives who decry... |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 07:43 AM |
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He does promote aggressive war |
cpwm17 |
Nov-19-10 07:27 AM |
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What Harris describes is what the US was trying to do with Hitler in WW2. |
trotsky |
Nov-19-10 07:45 AM |
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Let's fear the Muslim Blitzkrieg |
cpwm17 |
Nov-21-10 07:27 AM |
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Nope, not saying that at all. |
trotsky |
Nov-21-10 10:49 AM |
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My point is obvious |
cpwm17 |
Nov-21-10 11:19 AM |
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They always have to have the last word |
Turborama |
Nov-21-10 11:45 AM |
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Obvious but irrelevant. |
trotsky |
Nov-21-10 11:57 AM |
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BTW, the content of the post above is something Douglas wrote |
Turborama |
Nov-19-10 07:25 AM |
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Very well said, Douglas! You should post that as an OP. n/t |
Turborama |
Nov-18-10 07:24 PM |
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Laugh Out Loud! |
Charleston Chew |
Nov-18-10 08:06 AM |
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BS n/t |
DeSwiss |
Nov-22-10 01:36 PM |
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Nov-22-10 06:42 AM |
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Sam is full of it. The Torah and the Bible make martyrs into saints, and read Leviticus |
herbm |
Nov-23-10 01:29 PM |
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