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Thu Jan-07-10 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #68 |
| 69. That's nonsense - This thread is about a single incident in which two vessels collided at sea |
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It's interesting to discuss how that happened, who is at fault, etc., and none of those issues have anything to do with whaling or whalers per se.
It's all about improper operation of one or both vessels, nothing more. The opinion of either vessel's master regarding the practice of whaling doesn't make any difference in the question of who is at fault for the collision.
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| -Sea Shepherd's Ady Gil attacked by Japanese Whaling Vessel |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 08:27 PM |
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Rule # 1: Get out of the way of ocean going vessels. |
Shadowwiggs |
Jan-06-10 08:34 PM |
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I don't know It seems to turn fairly well at 1:20 NT |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 08:35 PM |
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The Japanese captain will argue that he was trying to avoid a collision per rule 15 |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-10 08:38 PM |
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Doesnt matter |
niceypoo |
Jan-06-10 09:17 PM |
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The Captain is protected by rule 18 |
sailor65 |
Jan-06-10 10:21 PM |
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He is only Restricted in ability to Maneuver in shallow water. this is open ocean. |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 10:40 PM |
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I do know this. You're mistaken. |
sailor65 |
Jan-06-10 10:56 PM |
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So what is Restricting his ability to manuver? and he dosn't seem to be restricted when he turns to |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 10:59 PM |
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The whaler doesn't need anything to "Make" her RAM |
sailor65 |
Jan-06-10 11:20 PM |
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So Basically what your saying is I can buy a BIG BOAT and run down small boats with impunity? |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-07-10 05:54 PM |
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Don't be stupid |
sailor65 |
Jan-07-10 08:30 PM |
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so what if I hit the row boat with a Sound wepon, water cannon and then he row's into my bow track |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-07-10 09:26 PM |
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ok so then what is it that makes the Japanese vessel RAM? |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 11:08 PM |
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Ok, you're tiring my fingers out....... |
sailor65 |
Jan-06-10 11:21 PM |
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True enough - Any inquiry will be stopped dead after the first question... |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-10 09:43 AM |
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Of course you considered the changing direction of the vessel FILMING the "turn" right? |
Shadowwiggs |
Jan-06-10 08:39 PM |
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There are NO rules when battling the whalers, don't you get it???? |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-10 08:40 PM |
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I see. So save the (multiplying) whales has no rules. I see.... NT |
Shadowwiggs |
Jan-06-10 08:41 PM |
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So you approve of the japanese poaching? |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-10 08:42 PM |
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Why is it poaching...its international waters |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-06-10 10:49 PM |
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Where are the "reaserch" papers? What are they "Reaserching"? NT |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 10:57 PM |
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There is a slew of them at the ICR site |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-07-10 12:08 AM |
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So whaling is OK with you? |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-10 11:13 PM |
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Nice try at redirection |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-07-10 12:03 AM |
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Did you even watch the video? the filming is not being done from the Ady Gil. |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 08:45 PM |
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me thinks he could be expecting a pizza......he thinks bob Barker is a nut |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-10 08:48 PM |
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I was refraining from name calling, but ya, one Pizza coming up. NT |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 09:04 PM |
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Wrong on three counts: |
MercutioATC |
Jan-06-10 09:18 PM |
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Even if both were moving the vessel on the port must give way, the Starbord vessel must stand on. |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 10:48 PM |
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That is not universal |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-06-10 10:52 PM |
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The Japanese Capitan didn't have to turn to Starbord. The Ady Gil wasn't directly in his path. NT |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 10:55 PM |
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How much a turn is not clear since relative motion has not been addressed |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-06-10 11:06 PM |
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No, the rules are clear |
sailor65 |
Jan-06-10 10:28 PM |
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There is no Restricted Ability to Maneuver in open Ocean Only in shallows. |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 10:44 PM |
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No point in my typing it all again |
sailor65 |
Jan-06-10 10:58 PM |
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ok so then what is it that makes the Japanese vessel RAM? |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 11:02 PM |
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Ok, now you're just playing! |
sailor65 |
Jan-06-10 11:22 PM |
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The Bob Barker |
Oerdin |
Jan-06-10 11:55 PM |
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Yep |
Oerdin |
Jan-06-10 11:50 PM |
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I think Oredin's analysis of the camera angeles and vessel motions is spot on |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-10 10:02 AM |
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Agree 100% |
rbixby |
Jan-07-10 10:36 AM |
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I agree that the camera angles and motion are critical, I am not willing to call it a setup |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-07-10 12:19 PM |
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Uh, that ship doesn't need football fields to turn a few degrees, |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-10 08:39 PM |
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nonsense |
wial |
Jan-06-10 09:26 PM |
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SSCS is non-volent? Pull the other finger. |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-06-10 10:54 PM |
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I put my faith more in common sense |
wial |
Jan-07-10 07:32 AM |
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Jan-07-10 12:29 PM |
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The damage to the Ady Gil is minor |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-10 08:34 PM |
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Some one explain why they are not using a "Steel Hull Vessel" |
FreakinDJ |
Jan-06-10 08:35 PM |
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At least a big bronze ram on the prow, like the ancient Greeks used |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-10 08:37 PM |
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Composite it brittle at any temp. also light. for the lbs, composite is 4 times stronger then steel. |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 08:38 PM |
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A poor choice for a vessel to be used for ramming and being rammed |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-10 08:46 PM |
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I don't think the Ady Gil was intended to be used as a Raming vessel. |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 08:51 PM |
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This is no different than the last time Sea Shephard complained they were rammed...video showed they |
time_has_come |
Jan-06-10 09:22 PM |
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If Sea Shepherd wants to engage in contact watersports on the high seas there is a very green choice |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-10 10:00 AM |
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The Ady Gil is about as ill suited as it comes to operations in those lattitudes |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-06-10 10:56 PM |
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Why did the Ady Gil propel forward at the last moments??????? |
time_has_come |
Jan-06-10 09:17 PM |
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Matters not, the ship was 1/2 second away from hitting them |
niceypoo |
Jan-06-10 09:20 PM |
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That ship has reverse. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-07-10 02:39 AM |
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Where do you see them going forward. at 1:20 they look fairly stationary the whole time. NT |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-06-10 09:24 PM |
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The SS boat clearly has a forward motion/prop wake in the seconds before the impact. n/t |
time_has_come |
Jan-06-10 09:45 PM |
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Yes it does |
sailor65 |
Jan-06-10 10:39 PM |
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Watch at about :50. |
sailor65 |
Jan-06-10 10:40 PM |
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Exactly. |
Oerdin |
Jan-07-10 12:14 AM |
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The "Burning Question" - Who paid for that vessel |
FreakinDJ |
Jan-06-10 09:17 PM |
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uh, Ady Gil? |
wial |
Jan-06-10 09:19 PM |
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Just like all the big football stadiums...big money talks and gets its name on things |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-06-10 10:57 PM |
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k/r |
snake in the grass |
Jan-06-10 09:34 PM |
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K&R I'm surprised how many defenders of the whale slaughterers there are here. |
Turborama |
Jan-06-10 11:56 PM |
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Much of it is not so much pro whaler but anti Watson |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-07-10 12:05 AM |
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Anything to make the Japanese happy...................... |
DainBramaged |
Jan-07-10 01:14 AM |
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I am surprised you would take that postion... |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-07-10 01:22 AM |
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OK, why is there so much hate for Watson here? Is it a personality thing? |
Turborama |
Jan-07-10 10:15 AM |
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I'll speak for myself on this one |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-07-10 12:52 PM |
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I think you are jealous of Captain Watson and Sea Shepherd |
Larkspur |
Jan-07-10 06:07 PM |
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I am jealous of Capitan Watson. If I didn't have a job and family to support I would join up. |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-07-10 07:44 PM |
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Nobody on this forum is defending the practice of whaling |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-10 09:48 AM |
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There's a lot of defence of the whale slaughterers on this and other related threads |
Turborama |
Jan-07-10 10:05 AM |
#68 |
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That's nonsense - This thread is about a single incident in which two vessels collided at sea |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-10 10:09 AM |
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Well said......n/t |
sailor65 |
Jan-07-10 01:25 PM |
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Its not a matter of supporting the whalers |
rbixby |
Jan-07-10 10:41 AM |
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Nonsense |
sailor65 |
Jan-07-10 01:24 PM |
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"borderline criminally negligent" you are too kind to Watson |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-07-10 05:10 PM |
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I think you got me there |
sailor65 |
Jan-07-10 08:19 PM |
#82 |
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