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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:15 AM
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1. It's a tough tradeoff
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 09:15 AM by FBaggins
Right now we're coming close to a bill that will allow the right to demagogue, but that doesn't give the left what they're expecting.

At what point does it cease to be "better than nothing"?
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  -Dean tells Dylan Ratigan Democrats will have huge problems in 2010 without public option. madfloridian  Nov-23-09 09:04 AM   #0 
  - It's a tough tradeoff  FBaggins   Nov-23-09 09:15 AM   #1 
  - And when does a majority matter?  madfloridian   Nov-23-09 09:18 AM   #4 
  - it certainly has not mattered to the D leadership,  ChairmanAgnostic   Nov-23-09 09:23 AM   #7 
  - Oh, I don't know, maybe about 4 months ago?  pattmarty   Nov-23-09 09:39 AM   #8 
  - Sounds like he's been reading my comments.I've been posting this for months now  bjobotts   Nov-23-09 05:50 PM   #36 
     - President Rahm Obama wanted the trigger which is no PO at all.Tells on the WH huh  bjobotts   Nov-23-09 05:51 PM   #37 
        - Stop pre existing and we'll give you millions of new customers subsidized with Tax dollars  bjobotts   Nov-23-09 05:52 PM   #38 
           - Private ins have pulled Joe Lieberman out of their pocket to get rid of the PO  bjobotts   Nov-23-09 05:53 PM   #39 
              - Rahm and his bulue dogs have got to go.Obama needs to keep his promise on Lobbyists  bjobotts   Nov-23-09 05:54 PM   #41 
                 - Only when the costs double for those with ins will action be taken.Our demands are ignored.  bjobotts   Nov-23-09 05:57 PM   #42 
                    - Expanding Medicare's budget to cover everyone can be done via reconciliation with 51 votes  bjobotts   Nov-23-09 05:58 PM   #43 
  - You mean "worse than nothing," don't you?  defendandprotect   Nov-23-09 11:09 AM   #15 
     - I guess it depends on your perspective... and which way you see it moving.  FBaggins   Nov-23-09 11:29 AM   #20 
        - We need legislation which provides a public option -- MEDICARE FOR ALL ...  defendandprotect   Nov-23-09 11:47 PM   #46 
           - Medicare for all would solve so many problems.  madfloridian   Nov-26-09 01:28 AM   #49 
  - If people are forced by law to buy insurance from crooks who  LibDemAlways   Nov-23-09 09:15 AM   #2 
  - If the Dems persist in passing a Wealthcare for the Health Industry....  SandWalker1984   Nov-23-09 11:05 AM   #13 
  - he's right.  ChairmanAgnostic   Nov-23-09 09:17 AM   #3 
  - lol let's all play golf with our corporate masters instead of working. nt  msongs   Nov-23-09 09:54 AM   #9 
  - Can we please drop the pretense that it's the GOP or the Dinos...or blue dogs...  alllyingwhores   Nov-23-09 11:17 AM   #18 
     - +1  RufusTFirefly   Nov-23-09 01:47 PM   #28 
  - Howard Dean has been right for a long, long  asjr   Nov-23-09 09:19 AM   #5 
  - The corporate media does not listen to anyone that threatens them  ooglymoogly   Nov-23-09 11:00 AM   #12 
  - Dean should have been president . . . maybe in some future time he will be -- ???  defendandprotect   Nov-23-09 11:10 AM   #16 
     - I am still a Deaniac. Was and always will be. If it takes  asjr   Nov-23-09 11:22 AM   #19 
        - What's really sad . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-23-09 11:46 PM   #45 
  - Come on wealthy folks out there, where is it in their interest ...  ProgressOnTheMove   Nov-23-09 09:22 AM   #6 
  - Junk this junk bill --  defendandprotect   Nov-23-09 11:11 AM   #17 
  - Scrap this monstrosity  dotymed   Nov-23-09 10:18 AM   #10 
  - too logical. And too late.  ChairmanAgnostic   Nov-23-09 10:30 AM   #11 
  - Couldn't agree more with this . .. MEDICARE FOR ALL. .. would set Dems up for 40 years!!  defendandprotect   Nov-23-09 11:08 AM   #14 
  - Howard Dean has been  xxqqqzme   Nov-23-09 11:58 AM   #21 
  - He's right, currently I am sitting out the next election, screw the Dems.  parasearchers   Nov-23-09 12:12 PM   #22 
  - More from the interview from The Hill:  madfloridian   Nov-23-09 12:20 PM   #23 
  - Howard says it for me on this.  man4allcats   Nov-23-09 12:32 PM   #24 
  - agreed  democracy1st   Nov-24-09 01:51 AM   #48 
  - Our political system is broken........  Don Draper   Nov-23-09 12:51 PM   #25 
  - No just the spirit of the People  pundaint   Nov-23-09 02:22 PM   #30 
  - It works for incumbents. Why should they change it?  Mithreal   Nov-23-09 02:36 PM   #32 
  - i agree with you- system is broken. we need to lobby hard for publicly financed campaigns and  BREMPRO   Nov-23-09 03:38 PM   #34 
  - Fuck the republicans & the moderates - Do what's fucking morally right - people are dying  LaPera   Nov-23-09 12:59 PM   #26 
  - At the very least Mario Solis says the Stupak amendment will die in conference and is very ...  ProgressOnTheMove   Nov-23-09 01:33 PM   #27 
  - We should find a progressive candidate for every primary  pundaint   Nov-23-09 02:21 PM   #29 
  - K & R sad situation  democracy1st   Nov-23-09 02:27 PM   #31 
  - Yes, it is.  madfloridian   Nov-23-09 03:34 PM   #33 
  - K&R  davidwparker   Nov-23-09 04:34 PM   #35 
  - This Kind of a Sham  swilton   Nov-23-09 05:53 PM   #40 
  - Finally he agrees with PNHP about the bill being watered down a lot...  slipslidingaway   Nov-23-09 06:39 PM   #44 
  - Kick  democracy1st   Nov-24-09 12:40 AM   #47 

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