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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:39 AM
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27. That was an accident. No excessive force.
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 08:17 AM by Renew Deal
It reminds me of a hockey game I went to around 10 years ago. It was the night before Thanksgiving. The Islanders were playing the Flyers at Nassau Coluseum. I could see something brewing in the seats just before the game ended. After the game everyone exited into the area where the concessions and the doors are. This area is surrounded by 15'-20' tall glass. A wild brawl started right away with many combatants. There were even guys throwing punches at security. The cops were no where to be seen. There was a group of fighting guys up against that glass. It bent, but it didn't break. The cops eventually showed up. That's got to be one of the craziest fights I've ever seen.
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  -Bart Cop slams man into window---it shatters and causes injury trumad  Nov-23-09 06:41 AM   #0 
  - Oh, A Bart cop  NWHarkness   Nov-23-09 06:44 AM   #1 
  - LOL!  NoPasaran   Nov-23-09 06:46 AM   #2 
  - Me, too.  aquart   Nov-23-09 07:13 AM   #13 
     - I thought the same thing!  KansDem   Nov-23-09 09:02 AM   #42 
  - Yep, it should read BART cop, not Bart Cop.  intheflow   Nov-23-09 12:17 PM   #68 
  - i c now  seattle_blue   Nov-23-09 12:46 PM   #71 
  - I totally thought it was Bart Cop..WTH!  Cha   Nov-23-09 08:14 PM   #106 
  - It would never occur to me that a BART station had thin plain glass windows.  imdjh   Nov-23-09 06:48 AM   #3 
  - whatever  lame54   Nov-23-09 06:51 AM   #4 
  - How old are you?  imdjh   Nov-23-09 07:06 AM   #9 
     - Apparently old enough to recognize a cop apologist  izquierdista   Nov-23-09 08:07 AM   #35 
        - Whole heartedly agreed.  dotymed   Nov-23-09 10:32 AM   #55 
  - I betcha some contractor used cheap glass - that should be safety glass  tomm2thumbs   Nov-23-09 07:03 AM   #8 
  - I hate it when that happens. My sister did that with an old (pre safety glass) storm door.  imdjh   Nov-23-09 07:07 AM   #10 
  - if you ever go to a glass factory/installer, ask them for their horror stories  tomm2thumbs   Nov-23-09 07:36 AM   #24 
  - Of course!  Seldona   Nov-23-09 09:55 AM   #49 
     - Naw, as a society we spend the big bucks for safety glass because scumbags who are a drain on ....  imdjh   Nov-23-09 01:03 PM   #73 
        - +1 I honked at a guy tagging a freeway wall and he turned and threw a brick at my car  tomm2thumbs   Nov-23-09 06:57 PM   #104 
           - Good work!  imdjh   Nov-23-09 09:45 PM   #107 
  - Officer exercised excessive force.  avaistheone1   Nov-23-09 10:43 AM   #56 
  - sounds like bystanders had had enough of the drunk  greenman3610   Nov-23-09 06:53 AM   #5 
  - OK---what if the window was a wall?  trumad   Nov-23-09 06:55 AM   #6 
     - It looks like the guy swung his right arm into the window  exboyfil   Nov-23-09 07:03 AM   #7 
     - It's funny. You can't smoke on an open air Bart platform, but you can be a drunk or drugged out  imdjh   Nov-23-09 07:09 AM   #11 
     - Click to the CNN story it is hilarious  exboyfil   Nov-23-09 07:15 AM   #14 
        - I'm sure he's a choir boy the other 364 days of the year.  imdjh   Nov-23-09 07:19 AM   #15 
        - Aint no alleged about it...  trumad   Nov-23-09 07:29 AM   #20 
           - From this video, inconclusive.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-23-09 11:48 AM   #64 
     - It is not common practice to slam a suspect against a wall, glass etc.  trumad   Nov-23-09 07:12 AM   #12 
        - The guy is resisting the officer. Why are you trying to make the cop the bad guy?  imdjh   Nov-23-09 07:22 AM   #16 
        - Are you serious...  trumad   Nov-23-09 07:26 AM   #18 
           - Watch the video again, and notice the rigidity of the perp's arms.  imdjh   Nov-23-09 07:30 AM   #21 
              - Did he grab anyting? Nope...  trumad   Nov-23-09 07:31 AM   #22 
                 - Get a better cause.  imdjh   Nov-23-09 07:37 AM   #26 
                    - That's it???  trumad   Nov-23-09 07:39 AM   #28 
                    - "You're fine with excessive force by Police officers? "  NorCalDem   Nov-23-09 10:18 AM   #52 
                    - When did you stop beating your wife?  AtheistCrusader   Nov-23-09 05:00 PM   #99 
                    - Your agenda is clear  spiritual_gunfighter   Nov-23-09 07:58 AM   #34 
        - Sure he didn't resist. When he had his foot up against the wall he was just trying to tie his shoe.  TheEuclideanOne   Nov-23-09 07:26 AM   #17 
           - What foot up against the wall?  trumad   Nov-23-09 07:28 AM   #19 
              - Ooops. My bad. It looks like it was his hand up against the wall.  TheEuclideanOne   Nov-23-09 07:31 AM   #23 
                 - The guy simply did not resist.  trumad   Nov-23-09 07:37 AM   #25 
                    - the cop got the worst injury, and it would not have happened absent this asshole on the train.  imdjh   Nov-23-09 07:39 AM   #29 
                       - So---the cops wrong action caused him to injure himself...  trumad   Nov-23-09 07:42 AM   #31 
                       - The jury is back and has already determined the cause of the actual accident/injury  TheEuclideanOne   Nov-23-09 07:47 AM   #33 
                       - That would imply a natural relation between that action and the result  dbmk   Nov-23-09 09:46 AM   #46 
                          - yes, there was a relationship here  TheEuclideanOne   Nov-23-09 01:32 PM   #77 
                             - He did not walk him up to a wall and held him there  dbmk   Nov-24-09 09:55 AM   #114 
                       - "So---the cops wrong action caused him to injure himself..."  NorCalDem   Nov-23-09 10:20 AM   #53 
                       - So if the cop had tried to shoot him  dbmk   Nov-23-09 09:51 AM   #47 
     - yes.  greenman3610   Nov-24-09 04:25 PM   #119 
  - That was an accident. No excessive force.  Renew Deal   Nov-23-09 07:39 AM   #27 
  - No it wasn't  trumad   Nov-23-09 07:42 AM   #30 
     - Oh, like people like you wouldn't have accused the cop of excessive force for putting him...  imdjh   Nov-23-09 07:46 AM   #32 
     - WOW...  trumad   Nov-23-09 09:04 AM   #43 
     - It's easy to be an armchair quarterback  Renew Deal   Nov-23-09 08:18 AM   #37 
  - At least the cop attempted to physically take the guy down and  Phoonzang   Nov-23-09 08:15 AM   #36 
  - Interesting point  Renew Deal   Nov-23-09 08:18 AM   #38 
  - If I saw a wall of glass coming at me...  proReality   Nov-23-09 08:20 AM   #39 
  - This is about the only reasonable reply I've seen in this thread.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-23-09 11:52 AM   #65 
  - Good insight  spiritual_gunfighter   Nov-23-09 12:59 PM   #72 
     - The cop planted his left foot and tossed with his right side - not unlike tossing a heavy bag.  Hassin Bin Sober   Nov-23-09 06:22 PM   #103 
  - I live here. Excessive stupid. The BART Board is heading for the unemployment line.  Piewhacket   Nov-23-09 08:41 AM   #40 
  - He had no reason to slam the guy against the glass...  trumad   Nov-23-09 09:02 AM   #41 
  - And that was out right murder! n/t  axollot   Nov-23-09 09:14 AM   #44 
  - yeah---I'm sure imdjh thought the dude had it coming.  trumad   Nov-23-09 09:17 AM   #45 
     - "yeah---I'm sure imdjh thought the dude had it coming."  NorCalDem   Nov-23-09 10:24 AM   #54 
        - I've taken Bart hundreds of times myself..  trumad   Nov-23-09 10:54 AM   #57 
           - If you take BART as well...  NorCalDem   Nov-23-09 11:25 AM   #60 
              - I'll say it again...  trumad   Nov-23-09 12:39 PM   #69 
                 - I think it's fine.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-23-09 04:24 PM   #84 
  - How far was it from where 4 cops were murdered?  imdjh   Nov-23-09 01:28 PM   #76 
     - Why is that important? Police officers are not authorized to act as vigilantes.  Piewhacket   Nov-23-09 11:47 PM   #111 
        - It isn't, it's a response to the stupidity in the post I was responding to.  imdjh   Nov-24-09 08:05 AM   #112 
           - What if it wasn't stupidity... where are you then?  Piewhacket   Nov-24-09 10:24 AM   #115 
              - You know what's amazing? Somehow I have lived 50 years without ever being manhandled by a cop.  imdjh   Nov-24-09 12:21 PM   #117 
                 - Glad to hear it. But not everyone can hide from the world.  Piewhacket   Nov-24-09 02:04 PM   #118 
  - Gibson had just offered to fight anyone on the train.  imdjh   Nov-23-09 01:10 PM   #75 
     - so?  trumad   Nov-23-09 04:50 PM   #94 
        - The cop doesn't give him the chance, or the option.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-23-09 04:56 PM   #97 
        - Well then he should have shot him.  trumad   Nov-23-09 05:02 PM   #100 
           - So, you just have no intention of being serious about this issue I see.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-23-09 05:09 PM   #101 
           - Now you're talking.  imdjh   Nov-23-09 09:47 PM   #109 
        - SO you love him so much go pay his bail and give him hugs.  imdjh   Nov-23-09 09:46 PM   #108 
  - He clearly intentionally slammed him into the glass  Alcibiades   Nov-23-09 09:52 AM   #48 
  - It seems to be an accident  Prism   Nov-23-09 10:05 AM   #50 
  - No, that's not excessive force.  NorCalDem   Nov-23-09 10:15 AM   #51 
  - No thanks...  trumad   Nov-23-09 10:56 AM   #58 
  - ...  NorCalDem   Nov-23-09 11:28 AM   #61 
     - OK--- I say glass is just as dangerous...  trumad   Nov-23-09 11:56 AM   #66 
  - I can't believe this BS  California Griz   Nov-23-09 11:08 AM   #59 
     - It's not BS...  NorCalDem   Nov-23-09 11:33 AM   #62 
     - the cop should take some heat. The drunk obviously does not no better but  wowimthere   Nov-23-09 04:37 PM   #88 
        - I think you have him confused with a doctor.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-23-09 04:43 PM   #91 
           - Did you see the cop escort the man off of the train? This is bizarre. He got him off of the train  wowimthere   Nov-23-09 04:55 PM   #96 
              - And if he'd taken the suspect to the ground, and split his head open on the concrete, what would you  AtheistCrusader   Nov-23-09 04:57 PM   #98 
     - If the question is whether it was deliberate? It clearly was.  Piewhacket   Nov-23-09 11:43 AM   #63 
  - That wasn't intentional  drexel dave   Nov-23-09 12:02 PM   #67 
  - If it wasn't intentional then what was it?  trumad   Nov-23-09 12:41 PM   #70 
     - Compliant?  AtheistCrusader   Nov-23-09 01:43 PM   #78 
  - The cop gives him an extra toss with his right arm at the end.  Hassin Bin Sober   Nov-23-09 01:10 PM   #74 
  - What will the cop do next?  lebkuchen   Nov-23-09 01:53 PM   #80 
  - SF and Alameda Counties need to have a Powwow  lebkuchen   Nov-23-09 01:50 PM   #79 
  - This is a no brainer for those who refuse to see this as ego-driven injustice...  wowimthere   Nov-23-09 02:25 PM   #81 
  - How do you know the man didn't resist?  cognoscere   Nov-23-09 03:54 PM   #83 
     - I looked at the video... the drunk man was escorted off of the train...  wowimthere   Nov-23-09 04:28 PM   #85 
        - It wasn't a window and it probably shouldn't have broken under these circumstances.  imdjh   Nov-23-09 04:34 PM   #87 
        - the window is beside the point. The police's actions are on trial here.  wowimthere   Nov-23-09 04:37 PM   #89 
           - Actually, it isn't. The accusation is that a cop deliberately or indifferently put the asshole's ...  imdjh   Nov-23-09 04:46 PM   #92 
        - Yep...  trumad   Nov-23-09 04:48 PM   #93 
        - Forget the window.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-23-09 04:52 PM   #95 
           - Scott Bell?  imdjh   Nov-24-09 08:12 AM   #113 
              - Whoops, Oscar Grant.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 11:26 AM   #116 
  - that cop was out of line  fascisthunter   Nov-23-09 03:53 PM   #82 
  - Clearly, between the two the cop is the psycho.  imdjh   Nov-23-09 04:31 PM   #86 
  - I stand by my assessment. This is a no brainer. If cop can escort drunken individual off train  wowimthere   Nov-23-09 04:40 PM   #90 
  - Not Resisting?  Supply Side Jesus   Nov-23-09 05:19 PM   #102 
  - A few thoughts  harvey007   Nov-23-09 07:42 PM   #105 
     - Passengers should have tossed him on the tracks.  imdjh   Nov-23-09 09:49 PM   #110 

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