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81. Lena inRIUpdated at 10:10 AM
Lena inRI

Yes, my screen name is indeed from the Roman emperor who in the late 280 early 300s managed to keep the empire together - by the treads by the way, and ended up as an old man on pention in Split.. Or to be correct, the palace/mausoleum he build for himself as an retainment home wasn in due time rebuild as a City, and even as the old palace and mausoleum is more or less goon today, the city of Split is still there, and until the 1700-1800s it was inside the roman wall limits of the early 300s.. The split between the different parts of the empire The Balkans and the western parts was more the fault of them who came after than himself.. But yes his partition of the empire, for the sake of better governance was the first sign of the division who always had been there, and who in the 300 and 400s AD was going to be worse and worse, to the time when the last west roman emperor was put into a luxurious retainment and the Western empires symbols of power was given back to Constantinople, with the letter telling that they was no more needed in the west.. Justinian tried for a while to keep the two parts togheter again but it was futile, and the eastern roman empire had their own problems with the arab Bedouins in the 600s... And the Western parts collapsed soon into the dark ages who lasted for many dark hundred years.. But still there the flicker of light was seen here and there, most in the monastery of the roman Catholic Church who in many cases started the rest of european history...

Bush Jr was indeed a puppet no doubt about that, he was also a terrible horrible leader who bl owed up all chances of going together with most of your NATO alliance to go after Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qauda with "either you are with us or against us". And he more or less blow all chances ha might have had to build a really big solid coalition against Iraq in the 2002-03 if he had coming up with real facts instead of the comic mr Powell was given UN in early 2003.. Even Powell was against the evidences...

Your current President Barack H. Obama really deserve the Nobel peace prize, because he have already by being elected by the AMERICAN PUBLIC showing the world that he and the american public at a large wanted a better future than the past had been.. And I for one was up to 5 in the morning the day the election happened to just se who won the presidency.. And I am afraid I wake up most of the neighborhood when I was standing outside the house to shout on the top of my lungs YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES OBAMA IS ELECTED THE NEXT AMERICAN PRESIDENT (in Norwegian off course ;))

And yes Obama is your last best chance to turn the tide and to make it possible to work togheterer with the US than to be dragged kicking and screaming before the bulldozer that is the US war machine... Obama is not just YOUR best chance, he is also OUR best chance to a better future than mr Bush and the right wings of the republican party ever managed to give us.. And still many Norwegians was telling that mr Bush deserved it better than Obama when it was confirmed that Obama got the prize. Obama have heritage a lot of horrible problems from your last president, and it will be a mess for many years ahead before the big ship who are the United States of America is in better water than today.. YOu will need at least a couple of presidents like your current (maybe even some little more to the left) to even try rebuild the damage that your last republican president was doing to US

I have never had the displeasure of listening to mr Deck, but I did have the displeasure of listing to mr Rush "humburg" Limbuagh by accidence sometimes.. And I for one are pretty sure that he is a man man, as in really sick.. And I'm also pretty sure the rest of the gangs is like him, mad as hell and with an illness of sorts..

The danish helping of the jews, who most surly would have ended in the gas chambers of Treblinka Sorbinol and so on is something that is really admirable.. Of the jewish population 99 percent get out of the country and over to Sweden who was neutral and not occupied by anyone and survived to the end... I would say our own history about the persecution of the jews is less admirable because just 24 of the more than 3000-4000 member of the jewish community survived the war. That was they who was arrested and send to germany - Stettin in Poland was a important port of entry - before a long way to the east where they was gaset.. But many also helped the jews, specially children to escape to Sweden and some sorts of peace there the rest of the war..

Denmark is a small country compared to Norway, and it was somewhat more easy to transport the jews to sweden than it ws to help the jews in Norway. But it is a shame to admit that in many cases the authorities and the german occupation force (SS and Gestapo and SIPO) did their work and put most of the jews on the trains and then off to the ships to Germany... It is a shame we have to live with - but after the war Norway have been a good friend of the state of Israel then - even that we do have our things there too.... But it surly messed up the german plans to first segregate and then get the jews into the trains who is been send to concentration caps, when half the population is going around with yellow stars and armbands... It would seen to be a hopeless project, and the danish Resistance groups was also really good in given the Germans hard time when they blow up railroads and such all the time... Compared to be in Denmark to Norway was more or less day and night.. In Norway the "parole" was more or less, be carefully and doesn't let the germans have a chance to go hard on you.. And compared to the danish Resistance the Norwegian was pretty peacefully, and it was not before 1943-44 and the winter of 1944-45 that Milorg really get into action against german targets... (Milorg was the official military branch of the Resistance) Their main case was not to fight the germans in every faction, but to inform the allied forces what happened and where the german forces was.. And in many cases they did a excellent work and many german war ships was clipped down as they was sailing true Norwegian sea water... Even the mighty Tirpitz, who after the sinking of Bismarck was the most mighty battleship on the Atlantic ended her days in the bay of Bodø in 1944... And for the point of history, the airport was using the panzer plates from Tirpitz to build rwy 07/25 /main civilian runway by the way) And most of what was salvageable was also used to build some forts in the harbor of Bodø.. Even some of the canons was been used that way to defend the inlet to the habour... And the last of the canons I believe was out of commission in the late 1980s...

Your family have to be an really brave family if some of them was telling Il Duce in public what a rat he really was.. That is hugely admirable I would say.. It could not be easy to have "different belief" in the fascist Italy - not that it ever have been easy to be public communist in Italy in any cases. Admirable it is, to tell the Duce that he was a rat... Something like the students of Oslo did when they was ORDERED but he occupation forces to stand in the streets up to the royal Palace in 1942 when no less than Heinrich Himmler was wisting Norway.. The students was rather against the whole case.. And as the Reich fuhrer SS was coming up Karl Johan (our parade gate) 3000 students and civilians turned their back on the mighty leader of the SS, and showed just their back as he was driving up to the Palace.. The Reich fuhrer SS Heinrich Himmler was furious and it almost ended the time of one of Norway's other nemesis in the war a Rhinelander with the name Terbhoven.. Who by the way blow himself up instead of been arrested 4-5km from where I'm living today... And most of the students who was not running for their life to Sweden ended up arrested and put to concentration camps in Germany for some "re-eduction" for the rest of the war.. Many of them died too

Yes mr Chomsky is warning for what can because of US.. And I for one would say he has been better and better as his age progresses.. Very sad he cant live forever - but as long as he is alive it is still some hope for the democracy in US i would say... But he tend to be somewhat arrogant when asked about things...

You all must got it Fred være med deg - peace be with you also my friend :fistbump: :toast:

And no, my parents have not given me a roman sounded name, I'm named after both my grand Fathers, and have a solid Norwegian sounding name to boot.. Hopeless for anyone outside scandinavia to really understand when I'm telling my name.. But if I write it down, then some of them understand it :P

Diclotican



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  Noam Chomsky Compares Right-Wing Media to Nazi Germany LongTomH  Oct-14-09 11:05 PM   #0 
   Once again, Chomsky cuts through the bs and exposes the heart of the issue  anonymous171   Oct-14-09 11:24 PM   #1 
   The Nazis themselves were experts at propaganda...  AntiFascist   Oct-15-09 04:41 PM   #57 
   Noam Chomsky is my hero and I have read ALL of his books.  FarLeftFist   Oct-14-09 11:26 PM   #2 
   Which one of his books would be a good start?  hokies   Oct-15-09 07:19 AM   #21 
   i recommend 3 of his books to start with....  makeanoise   Oct-15-09 10:29 AM   #30 
   "Manufacturing Consent." nt  tblue37   Oct-15-09 08:24 PM   #80 
   He has a little book available called "What Uncle Sam Really Wants"  Frank Cannon   Oct-15-09 01:41 PM   #44 
   "The Chomsky Reader" is a nice collection, I've always thought  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-15-09 03:31 PM   #50 
   "Deterring Democracy" is a good one as well.  RoccoR5955   Oct-15-09 06:38 PM   #72 
   "Syntactic Structures"  PSzymeczek   Oct-15-09 08:55 PM   #82 
   Most?  Fedja   Oct-15-09 11:29 AM   #33 
      He's a linguist who philosophises (is that a word?)  NoSheep   Oct-15-09 11:48 AM   #36 
      Hm I don't know...  Fedja   Oct-15-09 11:57 AM   #37 
      would you say he's a cunning linguist? : )  digidigido   Oct-15-09 04:49 PM   #59 
         Absolutely!  PSzymeczek   Oct-15-09 08:58 PM   #83 
      Very true.  FarLeftFist   Oct-15-09 02:05 PM   #46 
      Chomsky has described himself as an anarchist  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-15-09 03:34 PM   #51 
   As one who lived in German-speaking countries for years and  JDPriestly   Oct-14-09 11:37 PM   #3 
   Thank you for giving us that information, JDPriestly.  bertman   Oct-14-09 11:50 PM   #7 
   Remember that Hitler also used "god" which we've been seeing here for decades . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 12:31 AM   #9 
   Excellent post, thank you ~  sabrina 1   Oct-15-09 12:55 AM   #11 
   I think I can safely add that  existentialist   Oct-15-09 11:09 AM   #31 
   Thank you for your analysis.  Enthusiast   Oct-15-09 06:53 AM   #19 
   I have read tons of books on the NAZIs and have lived in...  Hubert Flottz   Oct-15-09 08:34 AM   #25 
   I Guess I Can't Help But Think...  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-15-09 03:44 PM   #52 
      They simply haven't  Enthusiast   Oct-15-09 05:59 PM   #65 
      For the Nazis  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-15-09 06:05 PM   #67 
      Not exactly.  Enthusiast   Oct-15-09 06:18 PM   #68 
      I Would Just Like to Point Out  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-15-09 06:22 PM   #70 
         It's not a stretch.  Enthusiast   Oct-16-09 06:21 AM   #100 
      We've had overt right-wing political violence in America for more than 50 years . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Oct-17-09 12:38 AM   #107 
      If you read some of the Homeland Security stuff . . . it's clear they have . .!!!  defendandprotect   Oct-17-09 12:35 AM   #106 
      Think whatever you like...  Hubert Flottz   Oct-16-09 06:10 AM   #99 
   Hear Hear, JDPriestly. . .  Lena inRI   Oct-15-09 09:45 AM   #28 
   by Lena inRI  Diclotican   Oct-15-09 01:23 PM   #41 
   Hey, Diclotican of Norway!  Lena inRI   Oct-15-09 07:22 PM   #76 
      Lena inRI  Diclotican   Oct-15-09 08:31 PM   #81 
   Wow . . . all the ducks in a row . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-17-09 12:41 AM   #108 
   Scary comparison  Fedja   Oct-15-09 11:37 AM   #34 
   Karl Rove and Jospeh Goebbels  clarence swinney   Oct-15-09 02:16 PM   #47 
   Interestingly Enough  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-15-09 03:46 PM   #53 
      Definitely Interestingly Enough  Truth2Tell   Oct-18-09 12:05 AM   #109 
   the NAZI label should not be used for the right-wing.  AlbertCat   Oct-15-09 04:41 PM   #56 
   Thank you  Shireling   Oct-15-09 06:23 PM   #71 
   Advertising makes it happen.  sulphurdunn   Oct-15-09 06:48 PM   #73 
      "We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting every capitalism:  phasma ex machina   Oct-15-09 11:33 PM   #91 
   He's looking real healthy and very sage advice getting truth out is critical...  ProgressOnTheMove   Oct-14-09 11:40 PM   #4 
   Yes. I heard Liz Cheney on a talk show saying that Obama should have a mother of a dead  vanbean   Oct-15-09 12:05 PM   #39 
   TV AND Radio remind me of Nazi Germany.  janedum   Oct-14-09 11:49 PM   #5 
   It's a clear warning. We must heed it. Recommend.  bertman   Oct-14-09 11:50 PM   #6 
   15 years too late. Thanks, Noam.  troubledamerican   Oct-15-09 12:16 AM   #8 
   I know what you mean . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 01:35 AM   #13 
   Ask Michael Parenti about Noam. Ouch.  troubledamerican   Oct-15-09 01:51 AM   #14 
   Will listen to it tomorrow -- thank you!!  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 02:06 AM   #15 
   Have you checked out radio4all.net? They have quite a few Parenti audio archives too. nt  glitch   Oct-15-09 11:15 AM   #32 
      Thank you . . . I'll plug it in and try to get to listen to some of it --  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 03:01 PM   #48 
   Enjoyed listening to this --  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 04:29 PM   #55 
      always enjoy your posts  troubledamerican   Oct-16-09 12:30 AM   #92 
         Agree with you on those two bits of info I was NOT aware of -- !!!  defendandprotect   Oct-16-09 10:51 PM   #105 
   defendandprotect  Diclotican   Oct-15-09 01:28 PM   #42 
   Trying to think of the name of a poet . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 05:00 PM   #60 
      Patriarchy?  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-15-09 05:12 PM   #61 
      Patriarchy . . . and a lot of help from Allen Dulles, Prescott Bush and elites all over the world ..  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 05:43 PM   #64 
         I Somewhat Agree  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-15-09 06:03 PM   #66 
            The poet was Gertrude Stein . . ..  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 08:12 PM   #79 
            Appreciate the Discussion  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-15-09 09:18 PM   #85 
               Not too much happens by accident . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 10:45 PM   #87 
                  Maybe I'm Missing Something, But  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-15-09 11:32 PM   #90 
                     Franco was a fascist . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Oct-16-09 10:46 PM   #104 
            The definition of "Nazi" evolved until it now means "my political opponent(s)."  phasma ex machina   Oct-16-09 12:30 AM   #93 
      Gertrude Stein? Alice B Toklas? (nt)  TuxedoKat   Oct-15-09 07:41 PM   #78 
      Thank you --  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 10:52 PM   #88 
         You're welcome  TuxedoKat   Oct-16-09 10:05 AM   #101 
            Happily . . . what a long, long, long way this is from Bush ignorance/stupidity . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-16-09 05:11 PM   #102 
      Gertrude Stein?  PSzymeczek   Oct-15-09 09:07 PM   #84 
      Yep . . . thank you -- !  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 10:52 PM   #89 
      the Underground Reich  troubledamerican   Oct-16-09 12:40 AM   #95 
         Ooooohhhh.....intriguing . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-16-09 05:18 PM   #103 
   Who's keeping him on?  Bgno64   Oct-15-09 01:50 PM   #45 
      Well, I think we're agreed that it isn't the average sponsor . . . ???  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 04:44 PM   #58 
   Maybe..  kenfrequed   Oct-15-09 11:42 AM   #35 
   Granted, I can agree with you . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 05:22 PM   #63 
      Your statements are not coherant  kenfrequed   Oct-16-09 01:54 AM   #97 
   You remember incorrectly sir.  Mr Rabble   Oct-15-09 05:13 PM   #62 
   Though the Nazis were better at public speaking. (nt)  TommyPaine   Oct-15-09 12:46 AM   #10 
   Nixon was pretty good at Nazi-speak . . ."peace, dream, peace, dream, peace, dream, peace" . ..  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 02:08 AM   #16 
   My greatest fear is that they find a charismatic orator  Hansel   Oct-15-09 03:09 PM   #49 
      Unlikely.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-15-09 03:53 PM   #54 
         Encouraging and smart answer.  Hansel   Oct-15-09 06:20 PM   #69 
   k i c k  defendandprotect   Oct-15-09 01:27 AM   #12 
   k&r. n/t  Joe the Liberal   Oct-15-09 02:41 AM   #17 
   k&r  Electric Monk   Oct-15-09 03:01 AM   #18 
   Excellent.  Enthusiast   Oct-15-09 06:56 AM   #20 
   If we do NOT SEE their crimes, they will NAZI their crimes.  RedCloud   Oct-15-09 07:51 AM   #22 
   K&R  DeSwiss   Oct-15-09 08:05 AM   #23 
   Those who ignore History  The Wizard   Oct-15-09 08:17 AM   #24 
   Watch the Beck apologists start screaming about this  zbdent   Oct-15-09 08:43 AM   #26 
   Not a conspirarcy theorist but ...  Lenomsky   Oct-15-09 09:32 AM   #27 
   zbdent  Diclotican   Oct-15-09 01:38 PM   #43 
      well, when you consider that any person having an abortion, by the RW standards,  zbdent   Oct-15-09 07:00 PM   #75 
         zbdent  Diclotican   Oct-15-09 07:30 PM   #77 
   couldn't say it any better....  makeanoise   Oct-15-09 10:25 AM   #29 
   Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Oct-15-09 12:04 PM   #38 
   There is absolutely no doubt republican ideology is corporate fascism  LaPera   Oct-15-09 12:26 PM   #40 
   K & R,,, Chomsky is one of the best  RoccoR5955   Oct-15-09 06:56 PM   #74 
   NOTHING CAN BE COMPARED  iandhr   Oct-15-09 10:25 PM   #86 
   way to dumb down the discussion with knee-jerk bullshit  Adenoid_Hynkel   Oct-16-09 04:11 AM   #98 
   I read a bunch of Chomsky in my anthropology undergraduate. He deeply influenced me.  DuaneBidoux   Oct-16-09 12:39 AM   #94 
      Sorry wanted to add: He is a brilliant man. And he is speaking truth.  DuaneBidoux   Oct-16-09 12:42 AM   #96 
 

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