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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #64
70. Exactly!
No public option + mandates = slavery!

If that's the way it falls out, primary EVERY elected critter who caved. Don't let the Repubs win, however. If our primary candidates lose, then we need to go third party. Not with the Greens; Ralph Nader has ruined that brand forever.

Take a look at the strategy of the Perot campaign in 1992. It took 19% of the vote, running tightly focused on an economic agenda in an atmosphere that was not nearly as bad as what we have now. Granted, Perot already had a sort-of structure in place, in his "United We Stand" groups, but if we start now, it's not impossible to put together a similar outfit. We'll need to concentrate on a few big points that would draw in independents and non-crazy Republicans as well as us outraged lefties.

At minimum, it would throw a huge wild card into the ring for 2012. (Though we need to start building for the 2010 elections, too.) At maximum, we might get that real alignment of American politics that's been needed for so long.
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  -Olbermann: O'Donnell on No Universal Coverage - 'That's When We See Explosion on Internet' Hissyspit  Sep-08-09 08:47 PM   #0 
  - We will have to meet at the barricades one way or the other  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-08-09 09:06 PM   #1 
  - There will be massive outrage if we get a ridiculous 'overhaul' - the people came out & voted  Divine Discontent   Sep-09-09 02:31 AM   #28 
  - They want a fight.  Enthusiast   Sep-09-09 09:48 AM   #40 
  - The problem is that there is a limit you can push ANY population  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-09-09 11:35 AM   #50 
  - Let's go for more than barracades, let's go for their Congressional Jobs!  SandWalker1984   Sep-09-09 11:53 AM   #52 
     - shh, they wll not show the demos, but boy they will notice  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-09-09 11:56 AM   #53 
     - Sporadic walk-outs can be very helpful . . .  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 03:38 PM   #84 
     - Just start doing it yourself. everybody tell one and then just start doing it.  davidwparker   Sep-09-09 05:34 PM   #114 
     - Sign Me Up--We Have to Throw Them Out Anyway  Demeter   Sep-09-09 12:28 PM   #59 
     - I'm with you. I'm sick of spending all our energy begging and pleading  bread_and_roses   Sep-09-09 03:06 PM   #78 
     - I believe we could even get MoveOn to assist in this.  BonnieJW   Sep-09-09 01:13 PM   #63 
     - Absolutely.  knixphan   Sep-09-09 01:23 PM   #65 
     - "ThrowThemOut.org" - +1  davidwparker   Sep-09-09 05:31 PM   #113 
  - Meet At the Barricades! YES!  theFrankFactor   Sep-08-09 09:10 PM   #2 
  - So... we're fucked.  stlsaxman   Sep-08-09 09:17 PM   #3 
  - Well, yeah.  Hissyspit   Sep-08-09 09:21 PM   #5 
     - ...and notice still there is no Plan B for progressives/liberals . . . !!!!  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 03:53 PM   #91 
        - Obama threw Progressives under the bus..  MissPuddy   Sep-09-09 09:47 PM   #122 
  - Keith's right on this one  lbrtbell   Sep-08-09 09:18 PM   #4 
  - "Dont say universal health care." Herndon Alliance, Celinda Lake...  slipslidingaway   Sep-08-09 09:24 PM   #6 
  - Celinda Lake is a propagandist  funnymanpants   Sep-08-09 10:02 PM   #9 
  - Yes, more here...  slipslidingaway   Sep-08-09 10:41 PM   #17 
  - Not to mention, "quality, affordable health care for all" won't  Hissyspit   Sep-08-09 10:09 PM   #11 
  - And "quality, affordable health care for all" has yet to be defined ...  slipslidingaway   Sep-08-09 10:45 PM   #18 
     - We don't need universal "coverage" we need univerasal access.  dflprincess   Sep-09-09 04:08 PM   #98 
  - Mission statement of the above -  truedelphi   Sep-09-09 12:04 AM   #21 
  - Exactly....  slipslidingaway   Sep-09-09 11:00 AM   #47 
     - Haven't seen you in a while, there, Slipsliding  truedelphi   Sep-09-09 02:21 PM   #74 
        - Been around, maybe not posting as much as before...  slipslidingaway   Sep-09-09 03:10 PM   #79 
           - Funny how the ones who understood the  truedelphi   Sep-09-09 03:48 PM   #87 
              - So true, if anything we need to watch our Party more when they...  slipslidingaway   Sep-09-09 04:00 PM   #95 
  - Is this 'third way' a revamping of the DLC, now that the DLC is so  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-09-09 02:36 PM   #75 
  - Appears that way....Third Way  slipslidingaway   Sep-09-09 03:32 PM   #82 
  - Another effort to use propaganda to confuse the public . . .  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 03:42 PM   #85 
     - Exactly, people believe they must be working for OUR interests ...  slipslidingaway   Sep-09-09 03:54 PM   #92 
        - Single Payer -- yes!!  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 04:18 PM   #104 
           - And when the Democrats continue to remove SP from the table...  slipslidingaway   Sep-09-09 04:33 PM   #108 
              - Please tell me that most of us know that's not true . .. !!!  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 05:44 PM   #117 
                 - Our biggest leverage is our vote and I agree we need a Plan B...  slipslidingaway   Sep-10-09 02:45 PM   #123 
                    - Ohhhh.... please . . .  defendandprotect   Sep-10-09 06:31 PM   #124 
  - Yep, Meet yal at the barricades  SlingBlade   Sep-08-09 09:50 PM   #7 
  - the barricades line--will keith help rally the troops?  orleans   Sep-08-09 09:54 PM   #8 
  - I'm feeling the same way.  Hissyspit   Sep-08-09 10:08 PM   #10 
  - yeah, me too--i feel like i would be this guy only going in the other  orleans   Sep-08-09 10:36 PM   #16 
  - We bought property in Canada  rambler_american   Sep-09-09 07:05 AM   #31 
  - In other words......  Enthusiast   Sep-09-09 09:52 AM   #41 
  - Orleans, I agree 100% and that's what my emails to my rep, senator and President are  bertman   Sep-08-09 10:27 PM   #13 
     - yep. and just think about it this way--how fucked up is it that we have  orleans   Sep-08-09 10:34 PM   #15 
        - Yes but it is a game with a big prize.  zeemike   Sep-08-09 10:53 PM   #19 
        - These powerful interests  Enthusiast   Sep-09-09 10:04 AM   #42 
  - To the barricades!  mmonk   Sep-08-09 10:22 PM   #12 
  - Ready to meet you at the barricades!  Doremus   Sep-08-09 10:32 PM   #14 
  - I'm There, Time To Storm The Castle!  colsohlibgal   Sep-08-09 11:14 PM   #20 
  - That's only half of it.  Jack Sprat   Sep-09-09 01:11 AM   #24 
     - Insurers Wet Dream Come True  aikanae   Sep-09-09 01:26 AM   #26 
     - O'Donnell has been saying there will never be a public option  spiritual_gunfighter   Sep-09-09 10:52 AM   #46 
        - Right ... Gibbs had a sheepish, guilty look yesterday . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 03:56 PM   #93 
  - I rarely drink  Iwillnevergiveup   Sep-09-09 12:17 AM   #22 
  - Well, I drink like a fish...  pink-o   Sep-09-09 11:33 AM   #49 
     - I would bet on the lobotomy  spiritual_gunfighter   Sep-09-09 11:40 AM   #51 
  - Despair is not an option. nt  Mithreal   Sep-09-09 12:55 AM   #23 
  - UNFORGIVABLE  aikanae   Sep-09-09 01:18 AM   #25 
  - I have heard repeatedly....  jjewell   Sep-09-09 02:04 AM   #27 
  - It'll be a new involuntary servitude.  shimmergal   Sep-09-09 01:23 PM   #66 
  - Lawrence O'Donell one of the best I've ever seen or heard on health care and public option....  LaPera   Sep-09-09 04:03 AM   #29 
  - The "Who The Fuck Else Are You Gonna Vote For, Asshole!?" Strategy  MannyGoldstein   Sep-09-09 06:39 AM   #30 
  - How about the "who else are you going to get donations and volunteer time  Ruby the Liberal   Sep-09-09 07:48 AM   #32 
  - They're Counting On Your Working *Against* The Republican  MannyGoldstein   Sep-09-09 08:15 AM   #33 
     - But When Dems Don't Deliver In The End, When We Gave Our Time, Our Energy  ChiciB1   Sep-09-09 12:37 PM   #61 
        - Most of us have enough still . . without realizing that what effects one effects us all!!!  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 03:59 PM   #94 
  - That's it in a nutshell.  eyepaddle   Sep-09-09 08:50 AM   #34 
  - So, lets do it. Push back hard - we have NOTHING to lose  debbierlus   Sep-09-09 09:43 AM   #39 
  - There has to be a Plan B . . .  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 04:06 PM   #96 
     - Nah... Obama Will Win The Nomination, He's Got All The Leverage  MannyGoldstein   Sep-09-09 04:08 PM   #99 
        - Sure . . .if you say so --  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 04:22 PM   #106 
  - And if this fails,  ScottLand   Sep-09-09 09:04 AM   #35 
  - Very disheartening  DeeDeeNY   Sep-09-09 09:17 AM   #36 
  - I'm ready.  Deep13   Sep-09-09 09:23 AM   #37 
  - I am working on an internet campaign to fight back - I will unveil in the next couple of days  debbierlus   Sep-09-09 09:42 AM   #38 
  - That's A Good Start... Now Let's Get Behind Some Real Push Back!!  ChiciB1   Sep-09-09 12:31 PM   #60 
  - Hissyspit -- thanks for also posting the transcript -- love it when there's a transcript.  quiet.american   Sep-09-09 10:30 AM   #43 
  - Me, too ... so much faster to read something -- thank you Hissyspit --!!  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 04:07 PM   #97 
  - Single Party  bongbong   Sep-09-09 10:43 AM   #44 
  - I am ready to explode  spiritual_gunfighter   Sep-09-09 10:44 AM   #45 
  - Single payer / universal health care or it's game over for the Dems.  L0oniX   Sep-09-09 11:00 AM   #48 
  - Only on the internet?  SergeStorms   Sep-09-09 12:01 PM   #54 
  - K&R - Will OUR Democratic Party beget the mother of all Corporate Welfare, Bait & Switch scams?....  Faryn Balyncd   Sep-09-09 12:27 PM   #55 
  - they probably will  katty   Sep-09-09 01:36 PM   #69 
  - You have a nation dedicated to capitalism . . . "King-of-the-Hill" system . . .  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 04:10 PM   #100 
  - Naomi Klein would probably say yes...  stillwaiting   Sep-09-09 04:27 PM   #107 
     - Make that two Virginia voters. No public option is too much of a sell out.  davidwparker   Sep-09-09 05:57 PM   #118 
  - RECOMMENDED  autorank   Sep-09-09 12:27 PM   #56 
  - Love To See A PUSH-BACK Mounted By "We The People," But I'm  ChiciB1   Sep-09-09 12:28 PM   #57 
  - It takes an effort, but the barricades work  Quasimodem   Sep-09-09 12:28 PM   #58 
  - spot on.  knixphan   Sep-09-09 01:24 PM   #67 
  - If there's blood in the streets and cracked heads, corporate health care profits again! A Win Win!  omega minimo   Sep-09-09 12:51 PM   #62 
  - Anything that is done has to be "non-violent" and ruled by intelligence . . .  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 04:11 PM   #101 
  - I'll defintely be disappointed  LatteLibertine   Sep-09-09 01:17 PM   #64 
  - Exactly!  shimmergal   Sep-09-09 01:44 PM   #70 
  - America: Love it or FIX it.  knixphan   Sep-09-09 01:25 PM   #68 
  - No Public Option, No Obama Support Again! We stood by you to  Riverman   Sep-09-09 01:44 PM   #71 
  - I just responded to a DNC mailer that I was only donating through Act Blue and directly to progressi  diane in sf   Sep-09-09 02:02 PM   #72 
  - Please tell me no one is giving money to Democrats without strong strings attached?????  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 04:12 PM   #102 
  - Thanks, now ready to explode  cleverusername   Sep-09-09 02:02 PM   #73 
  - Are Medicare recipients going to be included  Why Syzygy   Sep-09-09 02:41 PM   #76 
  - That was a sobering discussion.  burning rain   Sep-09-09 03:05 PM   #77 
  - universal health care or public option - no other choice and why  2Design   Sep-09-09 03:23 PM   #80 
  - Take it to the streets...  RoccoR5955   Sep-09-09 03:29 PM   #81 
  - Don't expect leaders either, because they ....  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 04:14 PM   #103 
  - And . . . the reason they "don't worry about the left" is because we have no where to go---!!!  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 03:35 PM   #83 
  - A Pelosi 'hold-hands prayer meetings . . . ??? Tell me Americans are waking up to how . . .  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 03:48 PM   #86 
  - How I DESPISE depending on politicians to vote for me.  graywarrior   Sep-09-09 03:51 PM   #88 
  - If Obama does no public option, it will be even more costly and harmful to America -- !!!  defendandprotect   Sep-09-09 03:51 PM   #89 
  - A line has been drawn.  windoe   Sep-09-09 03:52 PM   #90 
  - indeed  fascisthunter   Sep-09-09 04:19 PM   #105 
  - History has something to say  droidamus2   Sep-09-09 04:43 PM   #109 
  - Excerpt  ProSense   Sep-09-09 05:08 PM   #110 
  - you bet'cha'ya, baby.  davidwparker   Sep-09-09 05:26 PM   #111 
  - Seriously?  abelenkpe2   Sep-09-09 05:28 PM   #112 
  - "That is the normal formula: That the Democrats don't worry about the left."  WillyT   Sep-09-09 05:39 PM   #115 
  - This thread, plus a previously made comment, had me change my avatar  davidwparker   Sep-09-09 05:42 PM   #116 
  - I lost out on a job because of no personal health insurance.  DollyM   Sep-09-09 06:19 PM   #119 
  - This is it. This is the big one.  Canuckistanian   Sep-09-09 06:53 PM   #120 
     - Obama...another corporatist...Welcome to Fascism  MissPuddy   Sep-09-09 09:45 PM   #121 
 

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