Reply #7: Thom Hartman was talking about this the other day,

[BEZERKO]

I was curious to see if someone posted a clip of his show here, so I clicked on this post since it was the same story. I listened to the replay Saturday morning on the way home from work. He's been saying that victims of torture will say whatever the torturers want them to say to get them to stop. I don't know why it took me so long to get this, but the light bulb lit up, when he said that you don't torture people to get information you don't have, you torture people to get them to say what you want them to say. It's logical, then, to use torture to justify attacking Iraq, provided you're a first generation "heartless, lying sack of shit."