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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:53 AM
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7. Huge Hartmann fan.
But, Thom did not make his case with regard to "evangelism".
He has to think it through better.
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  -Thom Hartmann Debates Christopher Hitchens On Religion. How Religion Poisons Everything? thomhartmann  Apr-09-09 09:49 AM   #0 
  - That was a good discussion. Thanks for the post. nt  Ilsa   Apr-09-09 10:02 AM   #1 
  - I think Hitchens handed Hartmann his ass on a plate.  Bonobo   Apr-09-09 10:06 AM   #2 
  - I'm in total agreement.  sellitman   Apr-09-09 10:31 AM   #4 
  - Agreed. I like both Hartmann and Hitchens but Hartmann is a fuzzy thinker...  The Night Owl   Apr-09-09 11:02 AM   #8 
  - I Think The Discussion Was More Evenly Balanced Than That  lostnotforgotten   Apr-10-09 04:29 AM   #61 
  - Hartmann comes off  borelord   Apr-09-09 10:09 AM   #3 
  - Sorry, Thom  mrfocus   Apr-09-09 10:35 AM   #5 
  - This is only the second time I've ever seen Thom lose an argument.  Ian David   Apr-09-09 11:03 AM   #10 
  - I agree, and I LOVE Thom Hartmann.  ihavenobias   Apr-09-09 12:58 PM   #13 
  - Radical atheism is becoming a religion without a god nt  humblebum   Apr-09-09 12:48 PM   #12 
     - Whole-cloth hokum.  stopbush   Apr-09-09 02:19 PM   #28 
  - Atheism as religion?  shellfishgene   Apr-09-09 10:35 AM   #6 
  - Actually that is true ...Hinduism makes room for Atheism ... If you do not believe  TheCoxwain   Apr-09-09 11:35 AM   #11 
  - Huge Hartmann fan.  tabatha   Apr-09-09 10:53 AM   #7 
  - Actually I think Hartmann asked the questions that need to be asked  humblebum   Apr-09-09 01:03 PM   #14 
     - Right, Hitchens applies the standard we all consider to be the best for 99.9% of the life.  ihavenobias   Apr-09-09 01:06 PM   #15 
     - There is nothing rational about ignoring other epistemologies,  humblebum   Apr-09-09 01:17 PM   #16 
        - The problem is  ihavenobias   Apr-09-09 01:28 PM   #19 
           - I think you prove my point because you ignore centuries of philosophy  humblebum   Apr-09-09 01:44 PM   #21 
              - What history is being ignored?  stopbush   Apr-09-09 01:57 PM   #22 
                 - That's what I'm talking about. nt  humblebum   Apr-09-09 02:00 PM   #23 
                    - Be specific. You say centuries of history are being ignored.  stopbush   Apr-09-09 02:06 PM   #24 
                       - Exactly.  ihavenobias   Apr-09-09 02:12 PM   #26 
                       - More atheistic blather. We know what's true and don't tell us  humblebum   Apr-09-09 02:19 PM   #29 
                          - Perhaps for your 63rd post you could actually respond to the  stopbush   Apr-09-09 02:24 PM   #30 
                             - I'm so glad you used the term ad hominem arguing because that's exactly the way  humblebum   Apr-09-09 02:47 PM   #31 
                                - Wow! You've added a healthy dose of the straw man to your large serving of ad hominem.  stopbush   Apr-09-09 03:16 PM   #33 
                                   - Yes, "irregardless" is a word. Maybe slang, but definitely used for  humblebum   Apr-09-09 05:13 PM   #38 
                                      - Still won't answer the question, will you?  stopbush   Apr-09-09 05:25 PM   #40 
     - Hartmann didn't do well at all here  spiritual_gunfighter   Apr-09-09 01:20 PM   #17 
        - I would say that's because you are partial to the atheist argument.  humblebum   Apr-09-09 01:25 PM   #18 
        - Funny.  ihavenobias   Apr-09-09 01:29 PM   #20 
        - Obviously you are partial  spiritual_gunfighter   Apr-09-09 02:07 PM   #25 
           - I definitely apologize for my unreasonable assumption. nt  humblebum   Apr-09-09 02:58 PM   #32 
              - It's okay n/t  spiritual_gunfighter   Apr-09-09 03:31 PM   #34 
        - Personally, I love Thom, and I can't stand the "Gin-soaked popinjay"...  PassingFair   Apr-09-09 05:42 PM   #42 
  - Thanks for the vid.  swishyfeet   Apr-09-09 11:02 AM   #9 
  - Like many religionists who attempt to debate Hitchens,  stopbush   Apr-09-09 02:13 PM   #27 
  - I agree with Hartmann  mr_smith007   Apr-09-09 03:51 PM   #35 
  - I have never met an "atheist" who asserts that there is NO possibility of the supernatural...  PassingFair   Apr-09-09 04:26 PM   #37 
  - Exactly. In fact, were the supernatural to be proven, it would take its  stopbush   Apr-09-09 05:21 PM   #39 
  - That wasn't the point of my  mr_smith007   Apr-09-09 06:25 PM   #44 
     - You can rule out the possibility of BELIEVING in it, though. n/t  PassingFair   Apr-09-09 06:27 PM   #46 
     - Well if evidence  mr_smith007   Apr-09-09 07:15 PM   #48 
     - Science asserts proven, immutable truths all the time, like the laws of physics.  stopbush   Apr-10-09 12:26 AM   #55 
  - That is the part  mr_smith007   Apr-09-09 06:15 PM   #43 
  - There is a big difference between an "atom" and an "omnipotent being".  PassingFair   Apr-09-09 06:25 PM   #45 
  - I am not  mr_smith007   Apr-09-09 07:14 PM   #47 
  - Excuse me, but the idea of the atom was first broached in India in 600 BCE  stopbush   Apr-10-09 01:00 AM   #57 
  - Your definitions of agnosticism and atheism are flawed.  whathehell   Apr-09-09 08:16 PM   #51 
     - I think that your definitions are the flawed ones.  PassingFair   Apr-09-09 08:31 PM   #53 
        - "The only real difference between the two is that one has a more negative connnotation to believers"  whathehell   Apr-10-09 04:11 AM   #60 
           - According to Y-O-U.  PassingFair   Apr-10-09 08:09 AM   #63 
              - Yes -- as your "semantics" are according to Y.O.U.  whathehell   Apr-10-09 03:53 PM   #71 
  - You are quite wrong about Hitchens, who does not assert a  stopbush   Apr-09-09 05:41 PM   #41 
  - It totally depends on what can be considered as evidence.  humblebum   Apr-09-09 07:37 PM   #49 
  - Well, you're wrong.  stopbush   Apr-10-09 12:41 AM   #56 
  - You obviously know little about "proof"as related to philosophy  humblebum   Apr-10-09 09:18 AM   #64 
     - You're now conflating evidence with proof.  stopbush   Apr-10-09 12:36 PM   #66 
        - Are you telling me that you can have evidence without proof and  humblebum   Apr-10-09 02:44 PM   #67 
           - Care to respond to my question about history?  stopbush   Apr-10-09 02:52 PM   #68 
  - If Hitchens is simply asserting that "evidence doesn't exist for god's existence"  whathehell   Apr-10-09 03:58 AM   #59 
     - That is an absolute truth which is based on the Scientific Method  humblebum   Apr-10-09 09:25 AM   #65 
        - Correct...and they are very limited.  whathehell   Apr-10-09 03:49 PM   #70 
  - Exactly.  whathehell   Apr-09-09 07:51 PM   #50 
  - Hartmann is my favorite radio host....by FAR.  PassingFair   Apr-09-09 04:05 PM   #36 
     - You seem to misunderstand the difference between atheism and agnosticism  whathehell   Apr-09-09 08:23 PM   #52 
        - Hitchens was making the case that there is no evidence for the existence...  PassingFair   Apr-09-09 08:36 PM   #54 
           - "no evidence for the existence of a supreme being"  whathehell   Apr-10-09 03:29 AM   #58 
              - Of course there was "evidence". That's why science was used to bring it to light.  PassingFair   Apr-10-09 08:07 AM   #62 
                 - No, dear...there's no "of course" about it...  whathehell   Apr-10-09 03:40 PM   #69 
                    - .  PassingFair   Apr-10-09 05:08 PM   #72 
                       - First of all, it's "belief", not "believe"  whathehell   Apr-11-09 07:38 AM   #73 
 

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