Piewhacket
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Wed Jan-07-09 11:16 AM
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we are supposed to assume it was an accident, a harmless mistake? A "WTF?" deal?
My own feeling is an officer who stands his prisoner wobbling on the edge of a tall building, then turns away to answer his cellphone as his prisoner plunges to his death is NOT going to overly impress a either a prosecutor or jury (or me) with a "WTF?" defense.
But whether the officer intended the prisoner to plunge to his death, or merely didn't give a F* about the grave peril he created is fairly something that should be put before a jury.
And whatever the outcome, citizens are not required to permit such a man to wear a badge, for reckless disregard for the value of human life is no standard for a police officer. And those who hired, trained, and supervised this officer should also be examined, whether they implicitly or explicitly condoned the officer to conduct himself improperly, or aided and abetted illegal conduct.
In THIS case of the police shooting of Oscar Grant on New Years day 2009 we have gone beyond debate of some questions. This is no negligent discharge case, it is a homicide. There is no doubt the officer shot and killed a man in custody. The video demonstrates, beyond any doubt, the officer deliberately pulled his weapon with the intention of using it on the prisoner, jerked on it twice to get it out of its holster, deliberately pointed it at the prisoner and fired, killing him. There is no question of a deliberate and willful act, or of the proof of it. ND? Hardly. There is ample here for a charge up to willful murder.
Yet you have raised the question, WTF was the officer thinking???? Indeed, your point is well made. Do you suppose the officer will testify about what he was thinking? Because I can think of some questions he should be asked.
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| -Oscar Grant Murdered by Oakland Police Officer (shortened video to moment of slaying) BART Shooting |
themartyred |
Jan-05-09 07:40 AM |
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That pretty much says it all. |
Just A Yeller Dawg |
Jan-05-09 07:48 AM |
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OMG! |
mecherosegarden |
Jan-05-09 08:06 AM |
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he plainly shot him in the back. |
mt13 |
Jan-05-09 08:10 AM |
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Did that *ss think he was reaching for his handy dandy taser? |
peace13 |
Jan-05-09 09:06 AM |
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He didn't anticipate a video... |
NM Independent |
Jan-05-09 09:25 AM |
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Hope to *ell this cop is not an Iraq vet. |
peace13 |
Jan-05-09 09:28 AM |
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Isn't California a death penalty state |
sasquatch |
Jan-05-09 09:33 AM |
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Death penalty is not a deterrent, in fact it's why we are such a brutal country |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-05-09 04:07 PM |
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". . ., in fact it's why we are such a brutal country." |
bertman |
Jan-05-09 06:13 PM |
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Wow, what a cogent, concise, and intelligent rebuttal! Thank you for your comment. |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-06-09 01:54 PM |
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BART Police, not the Oakland Police |
keepCAblue |
Jan-05-09 09:46 AM |
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that's right. BART police are their own entity out here, and |
mythyc |
Jan-05-09 07:52 PM |
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for all you cop-worshipers, not to worry. cops, investigators, d.a., judges all on the same side |
proud progressive |
Jan-05-09 10:58 AM |
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People here in the Bay Area are pissed, make no mistake. |
Piewhacket |
Jan-05-09 12:44 PM |
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well said, amigo |
proud progressive |
Jan-05-09 06:06 PM |
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Thank you. |
Piewhacket |
Jan-06-09 11:04 AM |
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murder - n/t |
BrightKnight |
Jan-05-09 12:19 PM |
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It will be hard to argue that the officer felt threatened. |
JDPriestly |
Jan-05-09 12:23 PM |
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Wow |
deathrind |
Jan-05-09 02:05 PM |
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Wow! That poor man was executed for no reason at all. |
avaistheone1 |
Jan-05-09 03:37 PM |
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I really wish you'd change your subject line...It was NOT the Oakland Police |
keepCAblue |
Jan-05-09 05:06 PM |
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WTF?! |
Oregonian |
Jan-05-09 05:24 PM |
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really... |
themartyred |
Jan-05-09 05:30 PM |
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cold blooded redrum. nt |
wroberts189 |
Jan-05-09 06:48 PM |
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Fuck. I heard witnesses say that is how it happened, |
SpookyCat |
Jan-05-09 05:35 PM |
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not sure if it matters, but |
themartyred |
Jan-05-09 05:47 PM |
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It doesn't help, but thank you for trying. |
SpookyCat |
Jan-05-09 06:23 PM |
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It helps a whole lot. We don't need this precedent set. |
Seldona |
Jan-05-09 06:52 PM |
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I'm not 100% clear what you read in my post... |
SpookyCat |
Jan-05-09 07:05 PM |
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Duh. .. it matters in terms of accuracy. If people want to get angry... |
keepCAblue |
Jan-05-09 07:16 PM |
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...sigh... |
SpookyCat |
Jan-05-09 11:48 PM |
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This is the first I have seen or heard of this, so someone please fill me in on what |
bertman |
Jan-05-09 06:18 PM |
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Here's the article |
SpookyCat |
Jan-05-09 06:28 PM |
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Holy shit. No one deserves that. Well, no one outside BushCo. nt |
valerief |
Jan-05-09 06:40 PM |
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Thanks, SpookyCat. And therein lies the cop's alibi: Well, I thought I was gonna tase him. |
bertman |
Jan-05-09 06:50 PM |
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badly trained police are everywhere. Hold their bosses to account |
Swagman |
Jan-05-09 06:38 PM |
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why do you assume this happened because of bad training? |
provis99 |
Jan-07-09 03:11 AM |
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As soon as that officer was issued that gun, |
grahampuba |
Jan-05-09 07:09 PM |
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Incredible and disgustingly so. |
Jefferson23 |
Jan-05-09 07:19 PM |
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Considering that he shot him in the lower back, |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-05-09 07:50 PM |
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If I shoot a cop like that |
Fedja |
Jan-06-09 10:52 AM |
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I never said he shouldn't be tried as a civilian. |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-06-09 03:34 PM |
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well.. |
Fedja |
Jan-07-09 01:35 AM |
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You said I was making excuses for the cop, |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-07-09 04:06 AM |
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I did? |
Fedja |
Jan-07-09 06:03 PM |
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my mistake |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-07-09 07:22 PM |
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Mistake? You are describing gross negligence. |
Piewhacket |
Jan-06-09 11:30 AM |
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once again |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-06-09 03:35 PM |
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OK, we're cool. Just responding to your comment |
Piewhacket |
Jan-07-09 01:28 AM |
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OK |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-07-09 04:31 AM |
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So... |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-07-09 05:10 AM |
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So... |
Piewhacket |
Jan-07-09 11:16 AM |
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When did I ever say it wasn't homicide? |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-07-09 06:03 PM |
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so when did you say it was homicide? |
Piewhacket |
Jan-07-09 11:11 PM |
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Evidently, it does matter. |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-08-09 12:22 AM |
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What matters depends on what matters |
Piewhacket |
Jan-08-09 04:03 AM |
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Yeah, I'd say it was reckless. |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-08-09 11:37 AM |
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or maybe intentional.. |
Piewhacket |
Jan-08-09 02:30 PM |
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Mistake? No shooting in this situation was a mistake |
Raineyb |
Jan-06-09 01:28 PM |
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I never said anybody needed to be tazed. |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-06-09 03:37 PM |
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no reason to draw a gun or a taser on the victim |
smiley |
Jan-07-09 04:11 PM |
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You contradict yourself. |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-07-09 07:30 PM |
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just semantics |
smiley |
Jan-08-09 10:52 AM |
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Ok I'll play devils advocate |
jacksmind |
Jan-07-09 04:01 PM |
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I'm seeing it as express malice aforethought v implied malice aforethought. |
Wizard777 |
Jan-07-09 09:17 PM |
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Never mind what he was thinking? |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Jan-07-09 10:38 PM |
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He intended to discharge a weapon. Be it taser or gun, The intent is clear. |
Wizard777 |
Jan-08-09 07:47 AM |
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I got your mens rea right here. |
Wizard777 |
Jan-08-09 10:15 AM |
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I'm hearing the officer has resigned. |
Wizard777 |
Jan-07-09 09:29 PM |
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kinda figured what was best for him, eh? |
themartyred |
Jan-09-09 10:25 AM |
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Words fail. |
JNelson6563 |
Jan-08-09 11:02 AM |
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I don't know how much more it could be cold blooded murder |
vmaus |
Jan-09-09 12:28 AM |
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Just saw the footage of this on CNN while out to lunch. Nearly vomited as a result |
Caution |
Jan-09-09 12:25 PM |
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