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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #96
167. Jasonc, are you an attorney? Have you ever taken a course
in criminal or Constitutional law? There is a remote possibility that someone made a phone call and falsely reported that marijuana was growing in that house. If so, the person who made the call is in trouble. Remember the case against the Mormon sect in Texas when the police moved in allegedly based on a call that reported child abuse?

Texas Rangers participated in the arrest of a Colorado woman who allegedly pretended to be a girl locked in a basement as part of their investigation into a Texas polygamist sect, ABC News has learned.

It was unclear if the Rangers believe the woman who was arrested in Colorado is the same person who made the series of phone calls to a Texas shelter that prompted police to raid the Yearning for Zion Ranch and take more than 400 sect children into state custody.

. . . .

But ABC News has learned that Texas Rangers flew to Colorado Springs, Colo., this week and participated in the arrest of a 33-year-old woman who was charged with filing a false report.

If someone was stupid enough to call in a false report, that person will be arrested and charged.

It is more reasonable to assume that the police discovered what they assumed was the evidence of marijuana plantation through illegal surveillance. If so, they will either admit their wrong and make a deal that will probably include some changes in the police department or they will be sued and in a settlement agreement make the changes in the department. Either way, unless the police can prove that they obtained the information upon which they based their entry into that house or apartment, some changes are going to be made in the police department in that city in Texas.

We are making assumptions, but our assumptions are reasonable based on the reactions of the officers entering that house. I didn't hear a one of them say that they should look further because the evidence that marijuana was being grown was too strong to quit after discovering the lights and the pine trees. When the rest of the house was empty, they started laughing.

The officers who entered the house may or may not have been the officers that falsified the evidence. We do not know that, but someone somewhere falsified evidence. And that is the issue. Why did the police go into that house without making sure that the evidence of illegal activity in the house was strong enough to warrant arrests and the violation of the privacy of those occupying the house?

Why do you question my assumptions? What alternative explanations for the facts that you can see in the video do you have?
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  -TX Cops Get Busted DeSwiss  Dec-07-08 07:57 AM   #0 
  - This is a GREAT story.  annabanana   Dec-07-08 07:59 AM   #1 
  - He's a former....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 08:15 AM   #3 
  - Amazing.....  midnight   Dec-07-08 08:02 AM   #2 
  - K&R  cosmik debris   Dec-07-08 08:32 AM   #4 
  - Oh, WOW  itsjustme   Dec-07-08 08:55 AM   #5 
  - Lying cops....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 09:31 AM   #8 
  - Texas cops are notoriously corrupt  ayeshahaqqiqa   Dec-07-08 09:20 AM   #6 
  - I once saw a posting at a Texas lawyer's website....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 09:36 AM   #9 
  - I recall a story about a Dallas prosecutor who bragged that, "Any prosecutor  gbrooks   Dec-08-08 02:37 AM   #193 
  - Tulia  LostinVA   Dec-07-08 04:47 PM   #82 
  - According to the bible...weed is cool...its OK...but them churchy dudes decided otherwise  opihimoimoi   Dec-07-08 09:29 AM   #7 
  - Yep. There's no doubt about that.  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 09:37 AM   #10 
     - Jesus used Marijuana!  AlbertCat   Dec-07-08 10:39 AM   #11 
  - OMG! What a great idea! K&R!  Joanne98   Dec-07-08 10:57 AM   #12 
  - There is just one catch....  TheEuclideanOne   Dec-07-08 11:16 AM   #13 
  - Here's the story behind it. They tried to arrest the lawyer involved.  punkin87   Dec-07-08 11:27 AM   #14 
  - Thanks for the link! Without it I have to say I'm either an idiot or the rpeort was unclear.  ihavenobias   Dec-07-08 12:14 PM   #17 
  - You were not alone.  ejbr   Dec-07-08 05:55 PM   #142 
  - Thanks!!!  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 02:23 PM   #30 
  - Let's clean up this country from top to bottom and bottom to top!!  Hulk   Dec-07-08 12:07 PM   #15 
  - Agreed.  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 02:26 PM   #31 
  - I am curious  jasonc   Dec-07-08 12:13 PM   #16 
  - The cops used illegal methods to get a warrant.  20score   Dec-07-08 12:35 PM   #19 
  - Do we know that for sure  jasonc   Dec-07-08 12:49 PM   #21 
     - If you had looked it explains itself.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-07-08 01:08 PM   #23 
        - Thanks for getting my back. I thought it was pretty obvious, myself.  20score   Dec-07-08 01:27 PM   #26 
           - No prblem.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-07-08 01:38 PM   #27 
              - Show me your evidence  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:26 PM   #40 
                 - What would you accept as evidence?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 03:38 PM   #47 
                 - Silliness!  wildbilln864   Dec-07-08 09:27 PM   #184 
  - Here ya go!  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 02:28 PM   #32 
  - You mean this?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:21 PM   #39 
     - Really? You really don't get it? Wow!  20score   Dec-07-08 03:31 PM   #41 
     - no  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:33 PM   #42 
        - What would you accept as proof?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 03:37 PM   #45 
        - You were already shown the evidence. You chose to ignore it.  20score   Dec-07-08 03:38 PM   #46 
        - that was not proof  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:42 PM   #49 
           - You still haven't explained what you would accept as proof.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 03:48 PM   #51 
        - Violation of the Fourth Amendment right -- the warrant was  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 04:10 PM   #57 
        - Again  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:16 PM   #58 
           - the warrant doesn't matter-- only its existence matters....  mike_c   Dec-07-08 04:58 PM   #93 
              - HOW DO YOU KNOW?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:59 PM   #96 
                 - I know because I understand how LEGAL search and seizure operates....  mike_c   Dec-07-08 05:07 PM   #108 
                 - we dont know what the probably cause was  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:21 PM   #114 
                    - And we don't have the affidavit for the warrant because...?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:31 PM   #119 
                 - Jasonc, are you an attorney? Have you ever taken a course  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 07:16 PM   #167 
                    - I am not making assumptions  jasonc   Dec-07-08 07:19 PM   #169 
                       - You said:  skypuddle   Dec-07-08 08:00 PM   #178 
                       - So a little old lady reports a house that has a light on a lot.  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 11:47 PM   #188 
        - Why would you back the cops, anyway?  Ken Burch   Dec-07-08 06:49 PM   #161 
           - I am not on anyones side  jasonc   Dec-07-08 07:02 PM   #164 
     - Then upon what evidence....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 03:36 PM   #43 
     - Except, you see, the cops could not have gotten that search warrant unless  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 03:37 PM   #44 
        - That is pure conjecture  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:42 PM   #48 
           - Educated guesses based on a knowledge of police procedure and how search warrants work.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 03:49 PM   #52 
           - I am glad you are not a lawyer  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:56 PM   #55 
              - The cops "educated guesses" are supposed to be acted on within specific legal channels.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:27 PM   #65 
              - Show me proof they did  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:28 PM   #67 
                 - Oh, cut it out. Everyone knows by now that you're asking for "proof" in bad faith.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:32 PM   #71 
                    - No  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:32 PM   #73 
                       - Then what you would accept as proof?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:43 PM   #79 
                          - can you read?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:52 PM   #85 
                             - I gave you too much credit.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:55 PM   #90 
                                - I have lost count  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:58 PM   #92 
                                   - If you mean a copy of the search warrant the cops have refused to provide it.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:04 PM   #103 
                                      - I see you finally read some of my posts  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:05 PM   #105 
                                         - I'd read it from the beginning. You'd already been told something to this effect.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:06 PM   #107 
              - We are not going to arrest anyone. We are not going to enter  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 07:28 PM   #172 
           - The warrant that the police obtained and the paperwork, i.e.,  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 04:17 PM   #59 
           - All that writing  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:22 PM   #63 
              - You obviously wouldn't accept anything as proof.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:28 PM   #66 
                 - well  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:28 PM   #68 
                    - I notice you haven't denied that you wouldn't accept anything as proof.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:31 PM   #70 
                       - LOL  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:32 PM   #72 
                          - It's quite logical to assume that when someone assiduously avoids answering a pertinent question  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:42 PM   #77 
                          - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:50 PM   #83 
                             - You really should see something about that nervous giggle of yours.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:53 PM   #88 
                                - I suppose you are going to tell me  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:54 PM   #89 
                                   - Uh, no. Where have I said such a thing?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:56 PM   #91 
                                      - Just an assumption  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:58 PM   #95 
                                         - Which is why search warrants require stronger evidence than those cops obviously had.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:00 PM   #99 
                                            - your double standard amuses me  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:01 PM   #101 
                                            - Where do you see a double standard?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:05 PM   #106 
                                            - you allow yourself to guess away  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:22 PM   #115 
                                            - Yes, strange as it may seem to you, the cops DO need solid evidence for  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:34 PM   #120 
                                            - are you serious?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:35 PM   #122 
                                            - ...for walking into the house?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:37 PM   #125 
                                            - you seem to be not seeing the most important part of my statement  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:38 PM   #126 
                                            - The most important part of your statement being...?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:38 PM   #128 
                                            - jesus  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:41 PM   #131 
                                            - And so your reasoning that mere possession of grow lights is evidence enough for a search warrant?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:50 PM   #135 
                                            - What do you think a cop would think  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:52 PM   #138 
                                            - He might be suspicious and, if he were an honest cop, open an investigation that MIGHT garner him  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:59 PM   #146 
                                            - I dont think you understand what a warrant is  jasonc   Dec-07-08 06:03 PM   #152 
                                            - Actually, I do understand what a warrant is.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 06:07 PM   #154 
                                            - ...  jasonc   Dec-07-08 06:10 PM   #156 
                                            - Not quite sure where to jump, but why not here  TheEuclideanOne   Dec-08-08 05:16 AM   #195 
                          - jasonc, we do will not be charging into the officers' homes  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 07:31 PM   #173 
           - The problem is not that they showed up. They problem is that they  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 07:22 PM   #170 
  - Umm... there was no probably cause to enter that building  DarkTirade   Dec-07-08 04:42 PM   #78 
     - NO, I am not being a douche  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:51 PM   #84 
        - Of course you are. You're arguing in bad faith, asking for proof when you know and we know  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:58 PM   #94 
        - I dont think you are reading my posts  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:59 PM   #97 
           - Yes, I am.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:07 PM   #109 
        - You've gone beyond douche  RetroLounge   Dec-07-08 05:27 PM   #118 
        - LOL  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:34 PM   #121 
           - Are you afraid of being laughed at?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:38 PM   #127 
           - Good.  RetroLounge   Dec-07-08 05:40 PM   #130 
              - nice attempt at baiting me  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:42 PM   #132 
                 - Awwwww... No more giggles?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:51 PM   #136 
                    - nah, more like a sympathy sigh...  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:53 PM   #139 
                       - I see. More histrionics.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:59 PM   #148 
                       - Yeah, that's what I was doing...  RetroLounge   Dec-07-08 07:27 PM   #171 
        - You're playing lawyer loophole tricks before its even gotten into a courtroom.  DarkTirade   Dec-07-08 08:34 PM   #180 
  - I see his site...  wildbilln864   Dec-07-08 12:34 PM   #18 
  - I pulled it up.  TomInTib   Dec-07-08 12:56 PM   #22 
  - That was damn funny!!!  20score   Dec-07-08 03:17 PM   #37 
  - Hold your breath and....  wildbilln864   Dec-07-08 09:14 PM   #183 
  - The Gestopo has arrived....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 03:46 PM   #50 
  - Generally speaking, its hard to fight city hall because they are all on the same team.  Captive America   Dec-07-08 12:46 PM   #20 
  - The probblem for the city of Odessa....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 03:51 PM   #53 
     - have you a copy of the warrant?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:57 PM   #56 
        - The warrant will have to be produced in discovery in the civil  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 04:18 PM   #60 
        - If it goes that far.  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:21 PM   #62 
           - It probably will.  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 06:59 PM   #163 
           - probablys, maybes, conjecture, and supposition...  jasonc   Dec-07-08 07:03 PM   #165 
              - Oh, yes they do. When something like this gets national attention  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 11:50 PM   #189 
           - Anyone can get a copy of it tomorrow per Texas law  FreeState   Dec-07-08 10:35 PM   #187 
        - Well, as I'm sure you READ in the article....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 04:21 PM   #61 
           - when cops raid a suspected drug house  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:26 PM   #64 
              - As has been made clear, a little old lady's suspicions are not generally considered enough  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:30 PM   #69 
              - LOL  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:33 PM   #74 
                 - More histrionics. You do realize don't you, that you're not fooling anyone?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:44 PM   #80 
                    - Wow  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:52 PM   #86 
                       - Anyone who you post a message demanding "proof." Asking the question strongly implies  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:59 PM   #98 
                       - well  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:00 PM   #100 
                          - You asked for a copy of the paperwork.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:10 PM   #110 
                             - yes I know that  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:24 PM   #116 
                                - "Proof of wrongdoing" on the part of the cops plainly does not exist in your universe.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:36 PM   #123 
                                   - yes, simply because  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:37 PM   #124 
                                      - Sorry, but a universe where cops never do anything wrong or dishonest is not "reality."  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:39 PM   #129 
                                         - do you have proof of that wrongdoing?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:43 PM   #133 
                                            - Since you are unwilling to accept anything even as evidence, much less proof  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:52 PM   #137 
                                               - do you have problems with short term memory?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:54 PM   #140 
                                               - And you've been unable to come up with an example of what you would accept as "evidence"  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:57 PM   #143 
                                               - true  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:59 PM   #147 
                                               - You won't even accept it as EVIDENCE that they acted illegally.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 06:01 PM   #149 
                       - You're not trying to fool anyone, you're just trying to disrupt.  Jim Sagle   Dec-08-08 02:19 AM   #192 
              - The attorney was not inside the house...  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 04:35 PM   #75 
              - Well then  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:36 PM   #76 
                 - Why do you have such a strong emotional stake in trying to justify the cops actions?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:45 PM   #81 
                    - Why do you have such a strong emotional stake in trying to vilify the cops actions?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:53 PM   #87 
                    - Some odd people have a problem with their Constitutional rights being spat upon  LostinVA   Dec-07-08 05:02 PM   #102 
                    - prove it was done?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:04 PM   #104 
                       - You've already been shown strong evidence that the cops were engaging in misconduct.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:13 PM   #112 
                          - No I have not seen any proof  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:20 PM   #113 
                             - Like I said, "proof" or "evidence" against cops doesn't exist in your universe.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:48 PM   #134 
                             - one bad case in the NYtimes  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:57 PM   #144 
                                - It's not a matter of proving that case. It's a matter of indicating what are the  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 06:03 PM   #150 
                                   - I know what the proper procedures are  jasonc   Dec-07-08 06:05 PM   #153 
                                      - Apparently you don't if you think merely possessing certain gardening lights  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 06:08 PM   #155 
                             - Could be. Do you live in Odessa, Texas?  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 07:39 PM   #176 
                    - I don't. I simply think there is strong evidence that the cops were engaging in misconduct,  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:11 PM   #111 
                       - LOL  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:24 PM   #117 
                          - You know, if you tried to actually argue reasonably, people wouldn't find your posts  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:54 PM   #141 
                             - I do not care one whit  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:59 PM   #145 
                                - The tenor of your posts indicate that you do.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 06:03 PM   #151 
                                - Let us assume for a moment...  skypuddle   Dec-07-08 06:18 PM   #157 
                                   - no  jasonc   Dec-07-08 06:26 PM   #158 
                                      - OK, then on to part 2...  skypuddle   Dec-07-08 06:36 PM   #159 
                                         - already done  jasonc   Dec-07-08 06:38 PM   #160 
                                            - "to get a warrant the police only need a reasonable suspicion."  skypuddle   Dec-07-08 07:13 PM   #166 
                                               - conveniently for your purposes  jasonc   Dec-07-08 07:16 PM   #168 
                                               - Well, I don't know if you're anrgy because I made you look foolish...  skypuddle   Dec-07-08 07:37 PM   #175 
                                               - It has been one hour since I posted my previous reply to this post.  skypuddle   Dec-07-08 08:41 PM   #181 
                                               - It has been five plus hours since I responded to your last post.  skypuddle   Dec-08-08 12:57 AM   #190 
                    - If I remember correctly,  JimDandy   Dec-08-08 02:25 PM   #196 
              - If the little old lady made a flase accusation or an accusation  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 07:34 PM   #174 
              - I have a greenhouse, and I start plants in the winter in my garage.  AtheistCrusader   Dec-08-08 01:00 AM   #191 
  - Years ago this is what happened to some friends of mine.  TexasProgresive   Dec-07-08 01:12 PM   #24 
  - here they cut off your water so you can't flush it. nt  wildbilln864   Dec-07-08 01:19 PM   #25 
  - In response to past terror attacks....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 02:38 PM   #33 
  - more background on this topic -  vmaus   Dec-07-08 01:47 PM   #28 
  - Thanks bunches!!!!  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 02:44 PM   #34 
  - It's way past time to legalize marijuana  quidam56   Dec-07-08 02:08 PM   #29 
  - The below research links are to articles....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 02:51 PM   #35 
  - Wow. Great story. Too bad the TV news segment is so badly put together.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 03:10 PM   #36 
  - The show's website has been suspended.  rucky   Dec-07-08 03:18 PM   #38 
  - Don't worry, it's down due to high traffic. {nt}  Aya Reiko   Dec-07-08 07:56 PM   #177 
  - K & R  Christa   Dec-07-08 03:55 PM   #54 
  - Nice now to see the crooked cops on youtube  newmac   Dec-07-08 06:52 PM   #162 
  - 7 years?  Rosetteismyname   Dec-07-08 08:12 PM   # 
  - Actually she passed the polygraph  sasquatch   Dec-07-08 09:39 PM   #185 
  - 7 years?  Rosetteismyname   Dec-07-08 08:12 PM   #179 
  - Welcome to DU! nt  wildbilln864   Dec-07-08 09:52 PM   #186 
  - I propose a new weekday tv show -- KopBusters! eom  wroberts189   Dec-07-08 08:45 PM   #182 
  - Gotta admire this Texas version of Serpico. I hope someone takes care of his back  gbrooks   Dec-08-08 02:40 AM   #194 
  - So what does this mean for previous cultivation busts involving this department?  Incitatus   Dec-08-08 02:31 PM   #197 

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