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Response to Reply #87
111. I don't. I simply think there is strong evidence that the cops were engaging in misconduct,
i.e, lying on a search warrant affidavit.


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  - This is a GREAT story.  annabanana   Dec-07-08 07:59 AM   #1 
  - He's a former....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 08:15 AM   #3 
  - Amazing.....  midnight   Dec-07-08 08:02 AM   #2 
  - K&R  cosmik debris   Dec-07-08 08:32 AM   #4 
  - Oh, WOW  itsjustme   Dec-07-08 08:55 AM   #5 
  - Lying cops....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 09:31 AM   #8 
  - Texas cops are notoriously corrupt  ayeshahaqqiqa   Dec-07-08 09:20 AM   #6 
  - I once saw a posting at a Texas lawyer's website....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 09:36 AM   #9 
  - I recall a story about a Dallas prosecutor who bragged that, "Any prosecutor  gbrooks   Dec-08-08 02:37 AM   #193 
  - Tulia  LostinVA   Dec-07-08 04:47 PM   #82 
  - According to the bible...weed is cool...its OK...but them churchy dudes decided otherwise  opihimoimoi   Dec-07-08 09:29 AM   #7 
  - Yep. There's no doubt about that.  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 09:37 AM   #10 
     - Jesus used Marijuana!  AlbertCat   Dec-07-08 10:39 AM   #11 
  - OMG! What a great idea! K&R!  Joanne98   Dec-07-08 10:57 AM   #12 
  - There is just one catch....  TheEuclideanOne   Dec-07-08 11:16 AM   #13 
  - Here's the story behind it. They tried to arrest the lawyer involved.  punkin87   Dec-07-08 11:27 AM   #14 
  - Thanks for the link! Without it I have to say I'm either an idiot or the rpeort was unclear.  ihavenobias   Dec-07-08 12:14 PM   #17 
  - You were not alone.  ejbr   Dec-07-08 05:55 PM   #142 
  - Thanks!!!  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 02:23 PM   #30 
  - Let's clean up this country from top to bottom and bottom to top!!  Hulk   Dec-07-08 12:07 PM   #15 
  - Agreed.  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 02:26 PM   #31 
  - I am curious  jasonc   Dec-07-08 12:13 PM   #16 
  - The cops used illegal methods to get a warrant.  20score   Dec-07-08 12:35 PM   #19 
  - Do we know that for sure  jasonc   Dec-07-08 12:49 PM   #21 
     - If you had looked it explains itself.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-07-08 01:08 PM   #23 
        - Thanks for getting my back. I thought it was pretty obvious, myself.  20score   Dec-07-08 01:27 PM   #26 
           - No prblem.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-07-08 01:38 PM   #27 
              - Show me your evidence  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:26 PM   #40 
                 - What would you accept as evidence?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 03:38 PM   #47 
                 - Silliness!  wildbilln864   Dec-07-08 09:27 PM   #184 
  - Here ya go!  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 02:28 PM   #32 
  - You mean this?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:21 PM   #39 
     - Really? You really don't get it? Wow!  20score   Dec-07-08 03:31 PM   #41 
     - no  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:33 PM   #42 
        - What would you accept as proof?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 03:37 PM   #45 
        - You were already shown the evidence. You chose to ignore it.  20score   Dec-07-08 03:38 PM   #46 
        - that was not proof  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:42 PM   #49 
           - You still haven't explained what you would accept as proof.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 03:48 PM   #51 
        - Violation of the Fourth Amendment right -- the warrant was  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 04:10 PM   #57 
        - Again  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:16 PM   #58 
           - the warrant doesn't matter-- only its existence matters....  mike_c   Dec-07-08 04:58 PM   #93 
              - HOW DO YOU KNOW?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:59 PM   #96 
                 - I know because I understand how LEGAL search and seizure operates....  mike_c   Dec-07-08 05:07 PM   #108 
                 - we dont know what the probably cause was  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:21 PM   #114 
                    - And we don't have the affidavit for the warrant because...?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:31 PM   #119 
                 - Jasonc, are you an attorney? Have you ever taken a course  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 07:16 PM   #167 
                    - I am not making assumptions  jasonc   Dec-07-08 07:19 PM   #169 
                       - You said:  skypuddle   Dec-07-08 08:00 PM   #178 
                       - So a little old lady reports a house that has a light on a lot.  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 11:47 PM   #188 
        - Why would you back the cops, anyway?  Ken Burch   Dec-07-08 06:49 PM   #161 
           - I am not on anyones side  jasonc   Dec-07-08 07:02 PM   #164 
     - Then upon what evidence....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 03:36 PM   #43 
     - Except, you see, the cops could not have gotten that search warrant unless  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 03:37 PM   #44 
        - That is pure conjecture  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:42 PM   #48 
           - Educated guesses based on a knowledge of police procedure and how search warrants work.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 03:49 PM   #52 
           - I am glad you are not a lawyer  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:56 PM   #55 
              - The cops "educated guesses" are supposed to be acted on within specific legal channels.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:27 PM   #65 
              - Show me proof they did  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:28 PM   #67 
                 - Oh, cut it out. Everyone knows by now that you're asking for "proof" in bad faith.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:32 PM   #71 
                    - No  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:32 PM   #73 
                       - Then what you would accept as proof?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:43 PM   #79 
                          - can you read?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:52 PM   #85 
                             - I gave you too much credit.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:55 PM   #90 
                                - I have lost count  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:58 PM   #92 
                                   - If you mean a copy of the search warrant the cops have refused to provide it.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:04 PM   #103 
                                      - I see you finally read some of my posts  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:05 PM   #105 
                                         - I'd read it from the beginning. You'd already been told something to this effect.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:06 PM   #107 
              - We are not going to arrest anyone. We are not going to enter  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 07:28 PM   #172 
           - The warrant that the police obtained and the paperwork, i.e.,  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 04:17 PM   #59 
           - All that writing  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:22 PM   #63 
              - You obviously wouldn't accept anything as proof.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:28 PM   #66 
                 - well  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:28 PM   #68 
                    - I notice you haven't denied that you wouldn't accept anything as proof.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:31 PM   #70 
                       - LOL  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:32 PM   #72 
                          - It's quite logical to assume that when someone assiduously avoids answering a pertinent question  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:42 PM   #77 
                          - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:50 PM   #83 
                             - You really should see something about that nervous giggle of yours.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:53 PM   #88 
                                - I suppose you are going to tell me  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:54 PM   #89 
                                   - Uh, no. Where have I said such a thing?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:56 PM   #91 
                                      - Just an assumption  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:58 PM   #95 
                                         - Which is why search warrants require stronger evidence than those cops obviously had.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:00 PM   #99 
                                            - your double standard amuses me  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:01 PM   #101 
                                            - Where do you see a double standard?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:05 PM   #106 
                                            - you allow yourself to guess away  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:22 PM   #115 
                                            - Yes, strange as it may seem to you, the cops DO need solid evidence for  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:34 PM   #120 
                                            - are you serious?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:35 PM   #122 
                                            - ...for walking into the house?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:37 PM   #125 
                                            - you seem to be not seeing the most important part of my statement  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:38 PM   #126 
                                            - The most important part of your statement being...?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:38 PM   #128 
                                            - jesus  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:41 PM   #131 
                                            - And so your reasoning that mere possession of grow lights is evidence enough for a search warrant?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:50 PM   #135 
                                            - What do you think a cop would think  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:52 PM   #138 
                                            - He might be suspicious and, if he were an honest cop, open an investigation that MIGHT garner him  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:59 PM   #146 
                                            - I dont think you understand what a warrant is  jasonc   Dec-07-08 06:03 PM   #152 
                                            - Actually, I do understand what a warrant is.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 06:07 PM   #154 
                                            - ...  jasonc   Dec-07-08 06:10 PM   #156 
                                            - Not quite sure where to jump, but why not here  TheEuclideanOne   Dec-08-08 05:16 AM   #195 
                          - jasonc, we do will not be charging into the officers' homes  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 07:31 PM   #173 
           - The problem is not that they showed up. They problem is that they  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 07:22 PM   #170 
  - Umm... there was no probably cause to enter that building  DarkTirade   Dec-07-08 04:42 PM   #78 
     - NO, I am not being a douche  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:51 PM   #84 
        - Of course you are. You're arguing in bad faith, asking for proof when you know and we know  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:58 PM   #94 
        - I dont think you are reading my posts  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:59 PM   #97 
           - Yes, I am.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:07 PM   #109 
        - You've gone beyond douche  RetroLounge   Dec-07-08 05:27 PM   #118 
        - LOL  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:34 PM   #121 
           - Are you afraid of being laughed at?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:38 PM   #127 
           - Good.  RetroLounge   Dec-07-08 05:40 PM   #130 
              - nice attempt at baiting me  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:42 PM   #132 
                 - Awwwww... No more giggles?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:51 PM   #136 
                    - nah, more like a sympathy sigh...  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:53 PM   #139 
                       - I see. More histrionics.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:59 PM   #148 
                       - Yeah, that's what I was doing...  RetroLounge   Dec-07-08 07:27 PM   #171 
        - You're playing lawyer loophole tricks before its even gotten into a courtroom.  DarkTirade   Dec-07-08 08:34 PM   #180 
  - I see his site...  wildbilln864   Dec-07-08 12:34 PM   #18 
  - I pulled it up.  TomInTib   Dec-07-08 12:56 PM   #22 
  - That was damn funny!!!  20score   Dec-07-08 03:17 PM   #37 
  - Hold your breath and....  wildbilln864   Dec-07-08 09:14 PM   #183 
  - The Gestopo has arrived....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 03:46 PM   #50 
  - Generally speaking, its hard to fight city hall because they are all on the same team.  Captive America   Dec-07-08 12:46 PM   #20 
  - The probblem for the city of Odessa....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 03:51 PM   #53 
     - have you a copy of the warrant?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 03:57 PM   #56 
        - The warrant will have to be produced in discovery in the civil  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 04:18 PM   #60 
        - If it goes that far.  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:21 PM   #62 
           - It probably will.  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 06:59 PM   #163 
           - probablys, maybes, conjecture, and supposition...  jasonc   Dec-07-08 07:03 PM   #165 
              - Oh, yes they do. When something like this gets national attention  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 11:50 PM   #189 
           - Anyone can get a copy of it tomorrow per Texas law  FreeState   Dec-07-08 10:35 PM   #187 
        - Well, as I'm sure you READ in the article....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 04:21 PM   #61 
           - when cops raid a suspected drug house  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:26 PM   #64 
              - As has been made clear, a little old lady's suspicions are not generally considered enough  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:30 PM   #69 
              - LOL  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:33 PM   #74 
                 - More histrionics. You do realize don't you, that you're not fooling anyone?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:44 PM   #80 
                    - Wow  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:52 PM   #86 
                       - Anyone who you post a message demanding "proof." Asking the question strongly implies  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:59 PM   #98 
                       - well  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:00 PM   #100 
                          - You asked for a copy of the paperwork.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:10 PM   #110 
                             - yes I know that  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:24 PM   #116 
                                - "Proof of wrongdoing" on the part of the cops plainly does not exist in your universe.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:36 PM   #123 
                                   - yes, simply because  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:37 PM   #124 
                                      - Sorry, but a universe where cops never do anything wrong or dishonest is not "reality."  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:39 PM   #129 
                                         - do you have proof of that wrongdoing?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:43 PM   #133 
                                            - Since you are unwilling to accept anything even as evidence, much less proof  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:52 PM   #137 
                                               - do you have problems with short term memory?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:54 PM   #140 
                                               - And you've been unable to come up with an example of what you would accept as "evidence"  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:57 PM   #143 
                                               - true  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:59 PM   #147 
                                               - You won't even accept it as EVIDENCE that they acted illegally.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 06:01 PM   #149 
                       - You're not trying to fool anyone, you're just trying to disrupt.  Jim Sagle   Dec-08-08 02:19 AM   #192 
              - The attorney was not inside the house...  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 04:35 PM   #75 
              - Well then  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:36 PM   #76 
                 - Why do you have such a strong emotional stake in trying to justify the cops actions?  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 04:45 PM   #81 
                    - Why do you have such a strong emotional stake in trying to vilify the cops actions?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 04:53 PM   #87 
                    - Some odd people have a problem with their Constitutional rights being spat upon  LostinVA   Dec-07-08 05:02 PM   #102 
                    - prove it was done?  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:04 PM   #104 
                       - You've already been shown strong evidence that the cops were engaging in misconduct.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:13 PM   #112 
                          - No I have not seen any proof  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:20 PM   #113 
                             - Like I said, "proof" or "evidence" against cops doesn't exist in your universe.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:48 PM   #134 
                             - one bad case in the NYtimes  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:57 PM   #144 
                                - It's not a matter of proving that case. It's a matter of indicating what are the  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 06:03 PM   #150 
                                   - I know what the proper procedures are  jasonc   Dec-07-08 06:05 PM   #153 
                                      - Apparently you don't if you think merely possessing certain gardening lights  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 06:08 PM   #155 
                             - Could be. Do you live in Odessa, Texas?  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 07:39 PM   #176 
                    - I don't. I simply think there is strong evidence that the cops were engaging in misconduct,  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:11 PM   #111 
                       - LOL  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:24 PM   #117 
                          - You know, if you tried to actually argue reasonably, people wouldn't find your posts  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 05:54 PM   #141 
                             - I do not care one whit  jasonc   Dec-07-08 05:59 PM   #145 
                                - The tenor of your posts indicate that you do.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 06:03 PM   #151 
                                - Let us assume for a moment...  skypuddle   Dec-07-08 06:18 PM   #157 
                                   - no  jasonc   Dec-07-08 06:26 PM   #158 
                                      - OK, then on to part 2...  skypuddle   Dec-07-08 06:36 PM   #159 
                                         - already done  jasonc   Dec-07-08 06:38 PM   #160 
                                            - "to get a warrant the police only need a reasonable suspicion."  skypuddle   Dec-07-08 07:13 PM   #166 
                                               - conveniently for your purposes  jasonc   Dec-07-08 07:16 PM   #168 
                                               - Well, I don't know if you're anrgy because I made you look foolish...  skypuddle   Dec-07-08 07:37 PM   #175 
                                               - It has been one hour since I posted my previous reply to this post.  skypuddle   Dec-07-08 08:41 PM   #181 
                                               - It has been five plus hours since I responded to your last post.  skypuddle   Dec-08-08 12:57 AM   #190 
                    - If I remember correctly,  JimDandy   Dec-08-08 02:25 PM   #196 
              - If the little old lady made a flase accusation or an accusation  JDPriestly   Dec-07-08 07:34 PM   #174 
              - I have a greenhouse, and I start plants in the winter in my garage.  AtheistCrusader   Dec-08-08 01:00 AM   #191 
  - Years ago this is what happened to some friends of mine.  TexasProgresive   Dec-07-08 01:12 PM   #24 
  - here they cut off your water so you can't flush it. nt  wildbilln864   Dec-07-08 01:19 PM   #25 
  - In response to past terror attacks....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 02:38 PM   #33 
  - more background on this topic -  vmaus   Dec-07-08 01:47 PM   #28 
  - Thanks bunches!!!!  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 02:44 PM   #34 
  - It's way past time to legalize marijuana  quidam56   Dec-07-08 02:08 PM   #29 
  - The below research links are to articles....  DeSwiss   Dec-07-08 02:51 PM   #35 
  - Wow. Great story. Too bad the TV news segment is so badly put together.  Pamela Troy   Dec-07-08 03:10 PM   #36 
  - The show's website has been suspended.  rucky   Dec-07-08 03:18 PM   #38 
  - Don't worry, it's down due to high traffic. {nt}  Aya Reiko   Dec-07-08 07:56 PM   #177 
  - K & R  Christa   Dec-07-08 03:55 PM   #54 
  - Nice now to see the crooked cops on youtube  newmac   Dec-07-08 06:52 PM   #162 
  - 7 years?  Rosetteismyname   Dec-07-08 08:12 PM   # 
  - Actually she passed the polygraph  sasquatch   Dec-07-08 09:39 PM   #185 
  - 7 years?  Rosetteismyname   Dec-07-08 08:12 PM   #179 
  - Welcome to DU! nt  wildbilln864   Dec-07-08 09:52 PM   #186 
  - I propose a new weekday tv show -- KopBusters! eom  wroberts189   Dec-07-08 08:45 PM   #182 
  - Gotta admire this Texas version of Serpico. I hope someone takes care of his back  gbrooks   Dec-08-08 02:40 AM   #194 
  - So what does this mean for previous cultivation busts involving this department?  Incitatus   Dec-08-08 02:31 PM   #197 
 

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