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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:02 PM
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93. OK
That's a lot less than your sinister hints suggested. Perhaps you chickend out when confronted (after all your comment "who started the thread. I'm just commenting on the obvious." makes very little sense when lined up against this answer).

I guess, though, it's probably better to take you at your word.

This wasn't a debate about the facts in any particular case, or at least I didn't pose my question in that way. It was a question about how one should debate these tricky issues. Knowing I would be participating in the debate, I wanted to get my biases out on the table, rather than trying to hide them or cover them up, as you suggest I do. I prefer to be direct (although I admit I don't always live up to this).

If you feel my intent was to create a passionate debate, you're right. But I fail to understand what exactly is wrong with that or why I should be ashamed for doing so.

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  -Is questioning whether a rape happened insensitive to rape victims? bryant69  Apr-20-06 09:28 AM   #0 
  - I'm sorry but "the spin" has made me go numb ...  ShortnFiery   Apr-20-06 09:35 AM   #1 
  - Keeping things neutral  ayeshahaqqiqa   Apr-20-06 09:35 AM   #2 
  - It is rare for rape to be taken seriously by cops.  ThomCat   Apr-20-06 11:56 AM   #68 
     - Actually, that depends on where you are and who your chief  Clark2008   Apr-20-06 06:10 PM   #118 
  - The correct response to offensive  cali   Apr-20-06 09:39 AM   #3 
  - Everyone wants rights but...  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 09:43 AM   #5 
  - THANK YOU!!! You spoke for me.  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 09:45 AM   #7 
  - You're welcome  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 09:49 AM   #10 
  - you give liberals too much credit.  cali   Apr-20-06 09:50 AM   #11 
     - There's no responsibility to not be an asshole  bryant69   Apr-20-06 09:53 AM   #15 
     - Then why is it illegal to yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre?  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 09:56 AM   #18 
     - sure there are limits, but hurt feelings is not the same thing  onenote   Apr-20-06 10:01 AM   #22 
     - When it involves rape victims, the harm can be far greater than how...  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 10:05 AM   #25 
        - keep digging that hole.  cali   Apr-20-06 10:27 AM   #34 
           - Yes, I agree that someone should be prevented from yelling...  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 10:38 AM   #35 
              - Non-responsive.  cali   Apr-20-06 11:00 AM   #45 
                 - Do any of us have the power to limit your free speech?  bryant69   Apr-20-06 11:06 AM   #48 
                 - What have I posted that's been insensitive re this discussion  cali   Apr-20-06 11:16 AM   #50 
                    - Sexism is against DU rules.  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 11:21 AM   #51 
                       - I didn't say I wasn't offended.  cali   Apr-20-06 11:29 AM   #54 
                       - You have your opinion, I have mine. I don't like people injured....  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 11:37 AM   #59 
                       - Hmmmmm  bryant69   Apr-20-06 11:31 AM   #57 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-20-06 11:36 AM   #58 
                             - That doesn't sound very good  bryant69   Apr-20-06 11:38 AM   #60 
                             - Did she verbally attack the other poster?  timber84   Apr-20-06 11:43 AM   #62 
                                - Given some of the posts I've read, she SHOULD have verbally...  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 11:45 AM   #64 
                                   - Was she being attacked by them?  timber84   Apr-20-06 11:48 AM   #67 
                 - For the love of God (or whoever or nobody) would you two STOP!  Clark2008   Apr-20-06 06:38 PM   #120 
     - Hurt feelings or psychological damage  cali   Apr-20-06 10:13 AM   #27 
        - And yet telling your kid every day that they're worthless and don't....  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 10:17 AM   #31 
           - That has nothing to do with  cali   Apr-20-06 10:22 AM   #32 
              - Which is exactly what I'm doing, by pointing out that "free speech" can't  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 10:39 AM   #36 
              - cali, you have my proxy on this issue.  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:14 PM   #94 
     - We have to respectfully disagree...  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 09:58 AM   #20 
  - True. But you reap what you sow.  philosophie_en_rose   Apr-20-06 10:50 AM   #42 
  - It's just not your job  Warpy   Apr-20-06 09:40 AM   #4 
  - It depends on how you do it...  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 09:45 AM   #6 
  - I have not seen one single post here that said the majority of  timber84   Apr-20-06 09:48 AM   #9 
  - I'm not going back and re-reading...  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 09:53 AM   #14 
  - I think I've kept up with alot of the postings here about the  timber84   Apr-20-06 09:57 AM   #19 
  - I can show you a thread where rape victims are accused of...  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 09:53 AM   #16 
  - not the same thing as a post suggesting that most rape claims are false  onenote   Apr-20-06 10:14 AM   #29 
  - How about a claim of 40% of sexual assualt charges being false?  Moosepoop   Apr-20-06 10:40 AM   #37 
  - Let's be clear - I don't agree with the post suggesting 40% false claims  onenote   Apr-20-06 10:54 AM   #43 
     - BTW, Kanin discredited his own study  FredScuttle   Apr-20-06 05:07 PM   #111 
        - thus proving an exchange of information in an open forum is a good thing  onenote   Apr-20-06 05:56 PM   #113 
        - the study was not discredited by Kanin  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 06:03 PM   #116 
        - that's not discrediting it, that's explaining that it may not transpose  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 06:02 PM   #114 
           - I think its fair to say that he acknowledged its limits  onenote   Apr-20-06 06:07 PM   #117 
              - That's a fair statement. He gave the kind of limiting caution one  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 06:15 PM   #119 
  - And how far is that allowed to go? Injury? Death?  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 10:43 AM   #39 
  - There have been quite a few of those  LostinVA   Apr-20-06 12:43 PM   #77 
  - if you can't discuss this without calling other posters names  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:21 PM   #95 
  - how about 50% false accusations ? posted by ShaneGR  bloom   Apr-20-06 11:00 AM   #46 
  - His post is way off base  timber84   Apr-20-06 11:21 AM   #52 
  - link?  onenote   Apr-20-06 11:30 AM   #55 
     - I agree  timber84   Apr-20-06 11:42 AM   #61 
     - It's been posted quite a few times over the last week  LostinVA   Apr-20-06 12:51 PM   #81 
        - well then, a bunch of us have missed it quite a few times this week  onenote   Apr-20-06 01:37 PM   #90 
  - as I said, I'm skeptical of the Kanin study  onenote   Apr-20-06 11:27 AM   #53 
  - there isn't one. EXAGGERATION is the linch pin of their position  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:34 PM   #97 
  - Suggesting that most rape is lied about is a bit beyond the pale  bryant69   Apr-20-06 09:51 AM   #12 
  - claiming biased, freeper, or liar  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 09:52 AM   #13 
  - I would suggest this:  IselaB   Apr-20-06 09:47 AM   #8 
  - non-violent marital rape  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 09:55 AM   #17 
  - yeah 'cause if a wife says no...  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 10:00 AM   #21 
     - You would have a difficult time proving she said NO  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 10:14 AM   #28 
        - Just because there's no proof doesn't mean it didn't happen.  ThomCat   Apr-20-06 12:04 PM   #69 
           - Not True  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 12:21 PM   #72 
              - What does her having an affair...  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 12:23 PM   #73 
              - The number I've seen is 2%.  ThomCat   Apr-20-06 12:27 PM   #74 
                 - in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 12:41 PM   #76 
                    - From first hand experience  ThomCat   Apr-20-06 12:44 PM   #78 
                       - It is not the sole basis for the over 30% are false accusations  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 12:49 PM   #79 
                       - My personal experience says closer to 2%  ThomCat   Apr-20-06 12:58 PM   #84 
                          - That flies in the face of some very reliable research 30% is accurate  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 01:03 PM   #86 
                       - If you're working with survivors, how could you know the false cases?  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:42 PM   #98 
                          - Recanted can mean a lot of things  lwfern   Apr-20-06 04:33 PM   #108 
  - Someone was raped, as per the medical evidence  LostinVA   Apr-20-06 12:50 PM   #80 
  - I'm sure I'll somehow be flamed for thinking so, but ...  Akoto   Apr-20-06 10:02 AM   #23 
  - The way it works  bloom   Apr-20-06 11:05 AM   #47 
     - I don't insist that there wasn't a rape ...  Akoto   Apr-20-06 11:46 AM   #65 
  - I 've met to many people who  moobu2   Apr-20-06 10:05 AM   #24 
  - Many people say things  ThomCat   Apr-20-06 12:07 PM   #70 
  - That's not borne out in the rape stats by the FBI  LostinVA   Apr-20-06 12:56 PM   #82 
     - This is an interesting Rape stat from the FBI  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 02:11 PM   #91 
        - Your stats are sound, but watch them be ignored.  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:48 PM   #99 
  - Hurt feelings, dissappointment in fellows is the price of meaningful talk  aikoaiko   Apr-20-06 10:11 AM   #26 
  - Honestly some people just Get Off on justifiable anger  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 10:16 AM   #30 
  - Well make a report on your findings and submit it to the AMA  bryant69   Apr-20-06 10:24 AM   #33 
  - Some people "get off" on justifiable anger...  Moosepoop   Apr-20-06 10:43 AM   #38 
  - who started the thread  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 12:10 PM   #71 
     - Do you have something you want to say to me, Freakin DJ?  bryant69   Apr-20-06 01:19 PM   #88 
        - Your intentions  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 02:46 PM   #92 
           - OK  bryant69   Apr-20-06 03:02 PM   #93 
              - Instead of framing the question in that means  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 04:02 PM   #105 
                 - When you say "Look at who is saying this"  bryant69   Apr-20-06 04:49 PM   #109 
  - true. It's called "acting out" and "projecting."  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:52 PM   #102 
     - I apologize if raising this question hurt or offended you  bryant69   Apr-20-06 03:58 PM   #103 
        - What a strange post. How could you offend me?  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 04:28 PM   #107 
           - OK allow me to trace this back.  bryant69   Apr-20-06 04:52 PM   #110 
              - I did not infer the link the perceive between his comments and yours  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 05:09 PM   #112 
  - Who are you to question?  philosophie_en_rose   Apr-20-06 10:46 AM   #40 
  - I personally think  bloom   Apr-20-06 10:47 AM   #41 
  - It's called secondary wounding  Mandate My Ass   Apr-20-06 10:55 AM   #44 
  - Thank you for posting this.  Lars39   Apr-20-06 11:44 AM   #63 
     - the real problem is the perpetuation of the 'false rape'  Mandate My Ass   Apr-20-06 01:36 PM   #89 
  - Evidence is almost never clear cut in a rape case since  nothingshocksmeanymore   Apr-20-06 11:12 AM   #49 
  - YES!  jukes   Apr-20-06 11:31 AM   #56 
  - It is completely impossible to be sensitive enough on DU  johnnie   Apr-20-06 11:47 AM   #66 
  - The woman in this case WAS raped, that's part of our problem  LostinVA   Apr-20-06 12:38 PM   #75 
  - What did she do before arriving at the Frat house  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 12:58 PM   #83 
  - what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? n/t  gkhouston   Apr-20-06 03:50 PM   #100 
  - So if that's all the evidence we need to day to convict people  timber84   Apr-20-06 03:51 PM   #101 
  - The medical exam does not prove that she was raped.  NaturalHigh   Apr-20-06 08:07 PM   #122 
  - I Vote  novalib   Apr-20-06 01:02 PM   #85 
  - Well I didn't mean suggesting it to her face  bryant69   Apr-20-06 01:18 PM   #87 
  - Questioning whether a rape happened is necessary, given these facts.  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:26 PM   #96 
  - more than DNA  quantessd   Apr-20-06 04:01 PM   #104 
     - No, the jury decides. They hear testimony from doctors for both sides.  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 04:23 PM   #106 
  - Not When The Case Is Wide Open Like The Duke One.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-20-06 06:03 PM   #115 
  - It's a question that must be asked.  NaturalHigh   Apr-20-06 08:06 PM   #121 

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