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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #23
47. The way it works
Is prosecutors have to establish that a crime has been committed AND they have to establish who did it.

I don't know if people don't understand that and think once there is a trial that that is just assumed or what.

So I don't get why it's so important for people to insist that there wasn't a rape when they don't know that - and when it's going to have to be proven anyway.
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  -Is questioning whether a rape happened insensitive to rape victims? bryant69  Apr-20-06 09:28 AM   #0 
  - I'm sorry but "the spin" has made me go numb ...  ShortnFiery   Apr-20-06 09:35 AM   #1 
  - Keeping things neutral  ayeshahaqqiqa   Apr-20-06 09:35 AM   #2 
  - It is rare for rape to be taken seriously by cops.  ThomCat   Apr-20-06 11:56 AM   #68 
     - Actually, that depends on where you are and who your chief  Clark2008   Apr-20-06 06:10 PM   #118 
  - The correct response to offensive  cali   Apr-20-06 09:39 AM   #3 
  - Everyone wants rights but...  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 09:43 AM   #5 
  - THANK YOU!!! You spoke for me.  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 09:45 AM   #7 
  - You're welcome  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 09:49 AM   #10 
  - you give liberals too much credit.  cali   Apr-20-06 09:50 AM   #11 
     - There's no responsibility to not be an asshole  bryant69   Apr-20-06 09:53 AM   #15 
     - Then why is it illegal to yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre?  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 09:56 AM   #18 
     - sure there are limits, but hurt feelings is not the same thing  onenote   Apr-20-06 10:01 AM   #22 
     - When it involves rape victims, the harm can be far greater than how...  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 10:05 AM   #25 
        - keep digging that hole.  cali   Apr-20-06 10:27 AM   #34 
           - Yes, I agree that someone should be prevented from yelling...  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 10:38 AM   #35 
              - Non-responsive.  cali   Apr-20-06 11:00 AM   #45 
                 - Do any of us have the power to limit your free speech?  bryant69   Apr-20-06 11:06 AM   #48 
                 - What have I posted that's been insensitive re this discussion  cali   Apr-20-06 11:16 AM   #50 
                    - Sexism is against DU rules.  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 11:21 AM   #51 
                       - I didn't say I wasn't offended.  cali   Apr-20-06 11:29 AM   #54 
                       - You have your opinion, I have mine. I don't like people injured....  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 11:37 AM   #59 
                       - Hmmmmm  bryant69   Apr-20-06 11:31 AM   #57 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-20-06 11:36 AM   #58 
                             - That doesn't sound very good  bryant69   Apr-20-06 11:38 AM   #60 
                             - Did she verbally attack the other poster?  timber84   Apr-20-06 11:43 AM   #62 
                                - Given some of the posts I've read, she SHOULD have verbally...  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 11:45 AM   #64 
                                   - Was she being attacked by them?  timber84   Apr-20-06 11:48 AM   #67 
                 - For the love of God (or whoever or nobody) would you two STOP!  Clark2008   Apr-20-06 06:38 PM   #120 
     - Hurt feelings or psychological damage  cali   Apr-20-06 10:13 AM   #27 
        - And yet telling your kid every day that they're worthless and don't....  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 10:17 AM   #31 
           - That has nothing to do with  cali   Apr-20-06 10:22 AM   #32 
              - Which is exactly what I'm doing, by pointing out that "free speech" can't  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 10:39 AM   #36 
              - cali, you have my proxy on this issue.  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:14 PM   #94 
     - We have to respectfully disagree...  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 09:58 AM   #20 
  - True. But you reap what you sow.  philosophie_en_rose   Apr-20-06 10:50 AM   #42 
  - It's just not your job  Warpy   Apr-20-06 09:40 AM   #4 
  - It depends on how you do it...  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 09:45 AM   #6 
  - I have not seen one single post here that said the majority of  timber84   Apr-20-06 09:48 AM   #9 
  - I'm not going back and re-reading...  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 09:53 AM   #14 
  - I think I've kept up with alot of the postings here about the  timber84   Apr-20-06 09:57 AM   #19 
  - I can show you a thread where rape victims are accused of...  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 09:53 AM   #16 
  - not the same thing as a post suggesting that most rape claims are false  onenote   Apr-20-06 10:14 AM   #29 
  - How about a claim of 40% of sexual assualt charges being false?  Moosepoop   Apr-20-06 10:40 AM   #37 
  - Let's be clear - I don't agree with the post suggesting 40% false claims  onenote   Apr-20-06 10:54 AM   #43 
     - BTW, Kanin discredited his own study  FredScuttle   Apr-20-06 05:07 PM   #111 
        - thus proving an exchange of information in an open forum is a good thing  onenote   Apr-20-06 05:56 PM   #113 
        - the study was not discredited by Kanin  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 06:03 PM   #116 
        - that's not discrediting it, that's explaining that it may not transpose  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 06:02 PM   #114 
           - I think its fair to say that he acknowledged its limits  onenote   Apr-20-06 06:07 PM   #117 
              - That's a fair statement. He gave the kind of limiting caution one  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 06:15 PM   #119 
  - And how far is that allowed to go? Injury? Death?  FormerRepublican   Apr-20-06 10:43 AM   #39 
  - There have been quite a few of those  LostinVA   Apr-20-06 12:43 PM   #77 
  - if you can't discuss this without calling other posters names  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:21 PM   #95 
  - how about 50% false accusations ? posted by ShaneGR  bloom   Apr-20-06 11:00 AM   #46 
  - His post is way off base  timber84   Apr-20-06 11:21 AM   #52 
  - link?  onenote   Apr-20-06 11:30 AM   #55 
     - I agree  timber84   Apr-20-06 11:42 AM   #61 
     - It's been posted quite a few times over the last week  LostinVA   Apr-20-06 12:51 PM   #81 
        - well then, a bunch of us have missed it quite a few times this week  onenote   Apr-20-06 01:37 PM   #90 
  - as I said, I'm skeptical of the Kanin study  onenote   Apr-20-06 11:27 AM   #53 
  - there isn't one. EXAGGERATION is the linch pin of their position  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:34 PM   #97 
  - Suggesting that most rape is lied about is a bit beyond the pale  bryant69   Apr-20-06 09:51 AM   #12 
  - claiming biased, freeper, or liar  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 09:52 AM   #13 
  - I would suggest this:  IselaB   Apr-20-06 09:47 AM   #8 
  - non-violent marital rape  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 09:55 AM   #17 
  - yeah 'cause if a wife says no...  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 10:00 AM   #21 
     - You would have a difficult time proving she said NO  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 10:14 AM   #28 
        - Just because there's no proof doesn't mean it didn't happen.  ThomCat   Apr-20-06 12:04 PM   #69 
           - Not True  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 12:21 PM   #72 
              - What does her having an affair...  VelmaD   Apr-20-06 12:23 PM   #73 
              - The number I've seen is 2%.  ThomCat   Apr-20-06 12:27 PM   #74 
                 - in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 12:41 PM   #76 
                    - From first hand experience  ThomCat   Apr-20-06 12:44 PM   #78 
                       - It is not the sole basis for the over 30% are false accusations  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 12:49 PM   #79 
                       - My personal experience says closer to 2%  ThomCat   Apr-20-06 12:58 PM   #84 
                          - That flies in the face of some very reliable research 30% is accurate  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 01:03 PM   #86 
                       - If you're working with survivors, how could you know the false cases?  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:42 PM   #98 
                          - Recanted can mean a lot of things  lwfern   Apr-20-06 04:33 PM   #108 
  - Someone was raped, as per the medical evidence  LostinVA   Apr-20-06 12:50 PM   #80 
  - I'm sure I'll somehow be flamed for thinking so, but ...  Akoto   Apr-20-06 10:02 AM   #23 
  - The way it works  bloom   Apr-20-06 11:05 AM   #47 
     - I don't insist that there wasn't a rape ...  Akoto   Apr-20-06 11:46 AM   #65 
  - I 've met to many people who  moobu2   Apr-20-06 10:05 AM   #24 
  - Many people say things  ThomCat   Apr-20-06 12:07 PM   #70 
  - That's not borne out in the rape stats by the FBI  LostinVA   Apr-20-06 12:56 PM   #82 
     - This is an interesting Rape stat from the FBI  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 02:11 PM   #91 
        - Your stats are sound, but watch them be ignored.  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:48 PM   #99 
  - Hurt feelings, dissappointment in fellows is the price of meaningful talk  aikoaiko   Apr-20-06 10:11 AM   #26 
  - Honestly some people just Get Off on justifiable anger  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 10:16 AM   #30 
  - Well make a report on your findings and submit it to the AMA  bryant69   Apr-20-06 10:24 AM   #33 
  - Some people "get off" on justifiable anger...  Moosepoop   Apr-20-06 10:43 AM   #38 
  - who started the thread  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 12:10 PM   #71 
     - Do you have something you want to say to me, Freakin DJ?  bryant69   Apr-20-06 01:19 PM   #88 
        - Your intentions  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 02:46 PM   #92 
           - OK  bryant69   Apr-20-06 03:02 PM   #93 
              - Instead of framing the question in that means  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 04:02 PM   #105 
                 - When you say "Look at who is saying this"  bryant69   Apr-20-06 04:49 PM   #109 
  - true. It's called "acting out" and "projecting."  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:52 PM   #102 
     - I apologize if raising this question hurt or offended you  bryant69   Apr-20-06 03:58 PM   #103 
        - What a strange post. How could you offend me?  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 04:28 PM   #107 
           - OK allow me to trace this back.  bryant69   Apr-20-06 04:52 PM   #110 
              - I did not infer the link the perceive between his comments and yours  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 05:09 PM   #112 
  - Who are you to question?  philosophie_en_rose   Apr-20-06 10:46 AM   #40 
  - I personally think  bloom   Apr-20-06 10:47 AM   #41 
  - It's called secondary wounding  Mandate My Ass   Apr-20-06 10:55 AM   #44 
  - Thank you for posting this.  Lars39   Apr-20-06 11:44 AM   #63 
     - the real problem is the perpetuation of the 'false rape'  Mandate My Ass   Apr-20-06 01:36 PM   #89 
  - Evidence is almost never clear cut in a rape case since  nothingshocksmeanymore   Apr-20-06 11:12 AM   #49 
  - YES!  jukes   Apr-20-06 11:31 AM   #56 
  - It is completely impossible to be sensitive enough on DU  johnnie   Apr-20-06 11:47 AM   #66 
  - The woman in this case WAS raped, that's part of our problem  LostinVA   Apr-20-06 12:38 PM   #75 
  - What did she do before arriving at the Frat house  FreakinDJ   Apr-20-06 12:58 PM   #83 
  - what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? n/t  gkhouston   Apr-20-06 03:50 PM   #100 
  - So if that's all the evidence we need to day to convict people  timber84   Apr-20-06 03:51 PM   #101 
  - The medical exam does not prove that she was raped.  NaturalHigh   Apr-20-06 08:07 PM   #122 
  - I Vote  novalib   Apr-20-06 01:02 PM   #85 
  - Well I didn't mean suggesting it to her face  bryant69   Apr-20-06 01:18 PM   #87 
  - Questioning whether a rape happened is necessary, given these facts.  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 03:26 PM   #96 
  - more than DNA  quantessd   Apr-20-06 04:01 PM   #104 
     - No, the jury decides. They hear testimony from doctors for both sides.  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 04:23 PM   #106 
  - Not When The Case Is Wide Open Like The Duke One.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-20-06 06:03 PM   #115 
  - It's a question that must be asked.  NaturalHigh   Apr-20-06 08:06 PM   #121 
 

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