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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 08:15 AM
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125. not true.
religion is nothing but supersticious claptrap, based on ancient fears of the unknown.
Today's morals are reflected in our social laws. Not the commandments or crap like that, but in the legal requirements which precisely tell us what is right or wrong. A knowledge of religion - one which is accurate would not lead people to form moral beliefs. Instead, it would lead them to write best sellers in comedy, tragedy and ficton.

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  -Can You Be A Completely Moral Person Without Organized Religion? ruggerson  Apr-19-06 07:28 PM   #0 
  - YES  madmunchie   Apr-19-06 07:28 PM   #1 
  - YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  muntrv   Apr-19-06 07:28 PM   #2 
  - Yes, without a doubt. No question about it. eom  madeline_con   Apr-19-06 07:29 PM   #3 
  - Yes.  XanaDUer   Apr-19-06 07:29 PM   #4 
  - Not a crutch  China_cat   Apr-19-06 07:29 PM   #5 
  - Good way to put it! LOL!  msgadget   Apr-19-06 07:30 PM   #9 
  - Yep.  H2O Man   Apr-19-06 07:30 PM   #6 
  - Very well said, my friend  ayeshahaqqiqa   Apr-19-06 07:34 PM   #16 
     - Right.  H2O Man   Apr-19-06 07:40 PM   #26 
        - Ho Metaquiatsun  ayeshahaqqiqa   Apr-19-06 07:55 PM   #44 
           - Great!  H2O Man   Apr-19-06 08:00 PM   #51 
  - Religion is a handicap  Left Below   Apr-19-06 07:30 PM   #7 
  - yes, fellow freethinker.  cain_7777   Apr-20-06 07:30 AM   #113 
  - And then there are people like KKK Rove who are  Hardrada   Apr-19-06 07:30 PM   #8 
  - I daresay  OldLeftieLawyer   Apr-19-06 07:31 PM   #10 
  - I think a person is also braver, knowing there is no reward  Hardrada   Apr-19-06 07:33 PM   #15 
     - It's also a far more altruistic motivation  ruggerson   Apr-19-06 07:36 PM   #20 
     - Although I will amend that  ruggerson   Apr-19-06 07:50 PM   #38 
     - I resemble that comment :-)  madokie   Apr-19-06 07:45 PM   #30 
     - Bingo, my friend  OldLeftieLawyer   Apr-19-06 08:32 PM   #66 
     - Yes!  cain_7777   Apr-20-06 07:33 AM   #114 
     - I suppose.  HuckleB   Apr-20-06 08:22 AM   #128 
  - Of course  LeftyMom   Apr-19-06 07:31 PM   #11 
  - Of course. It's a stupid question.  Rabrrrrrr   Apr-19-06 07:32 PM   #12 
  - You don't need religion to have a belief system  marbuc   Apr-19-06 07:33 PM   #13 
  - But, can you have a moral belief system,  jedr   Apr-19-06 07:49 PM   #37 
     - Interesting.  H2O Man   Apr-19-06 07:56 PM   #45 
     - I know people that have had limited exposure to religion  marbuc   Apr-19-06 07:57 PM   #46 
     - I don't think that anyone can be totally insulated from religion;  jedr   Apr-19-06 08:03 PM   #52 
        - I will tell you this:  marbuc   Apr-19-06 08:10 PM   #59 
     - Unless your moral system is based on logic...  antigone382   Apr-19-06 10:19 PM   #79 
     - So, for example,  ruggerson   Apr-20-06 12:33 AM   #84 
     - late post , hope you get to read it;  jedr   Apr-20-06 07:00 AM   #98 
     - not true.  antifaschits   Apr-20-06 08:15 AM   #125 
  - Yes. nt  jody   Apr-19-06 07:33 PM   #14 
  - I am living proof....!  SnoopDog   Apr-19-06 07:35 PM   #17 
  - Absolutely!!!!!  suziedemocrat   Apr-19-06 07:35 PM   #18 
  - Does the Pope shit in the woods?  Ezlivin   Apr-19-06 07:35 PM   #19 
  - You can ask...  marbuc   Apr-19-06 08:04 PM   #54 
  - I love that comment, lol  DIKB   Apr-20-06 06:39 AM   #95 
  - Yes, and maybe the opposite is more true  Xeric   Apr-19-06 07:37 PM   #21 
  - Your post reminds me of a Mark Twain Quote:  Blue Belle   Apr-20-06 12:08 PM   #154 
  - I've always thought of this as one of my big strengths  Mr_Spock   Apr-19-06 07:37 PM   #22 
  - no  maxsolomon   Apr-19-06 07:38 PM   # 
  - Urm, did you perchance neglect to include a  karlrschneider   Apr-19-06 07:42 PM   #27 
  - i'm sick of the sarcasm simile!  maxsolomon   Apr-20-06 10:53 AM   #145 
  - Do you know what a conscience is?  SofaKingLiberal   Apr-20-06 01:32 AM   #92 
  - Hello Machiavelli, Leo Strauss,  rman   Apr-20-06 07:39 AM   #116 
  - I thought it was LEVI Strauss  corkhead   Apr-20-06 11:39 AM   #153 
     - definitely Leo Strauss  rman   Apr-20-06 12:23 PM   #155 
  - LOL  gollygee   Apr-20-06 09:29 AM   #140 
  - There really is not much need of any "moral code" beyond what's  karlrschneider   Apr-19-06 07:38 PM   #23 
  - Call on me ....... call on me.  Botany   Apr-19-06 07:38 PM   #24 
  - absolutely  ixion   Apr-19-06 07:39 PM   #25 
  - Republicans solve every issue with "Fear"  Lost-in-FL   Apr-19-06 07:42 PM   #28 
  - YES!!!!!!  hobbit709   Apr-19-06 07:45 PM   #29 
  - Ouch  Lost-in-FL   Apr-19-06 07:46 PM   #31 
  - Absolutely yes. - n/t  porphyrian   Apr-19-06 07:46 PM   #32 
  - Oh My God...YES!! Absolutely. Wingnuts are religious..not spiratual.  paparush   Apr-19-06 07:47 PM   #33 
  - Buddhism has been around for 2,600 years, it isn't a religion..  sam sarrha   Apr-19-06 07:47 PM   #34 
  - For some reason sam sarrha, when I have mentioned that Buddhism isn't  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-20-06 07:13 AM   #106 
     - everybody has to start where they are.. i see it as a psychology, untill  sam sarrha   Apr-20-06 11:11 AM   #151 
        - Thank you for your excellent explanation.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-20-06 12:46 PM   #156 
  - Comprehensively.  understandinglife   Apr-19-06 07:48 PM   #35 
  - It would be nice if more people wouldn't tie spirituality to it. n/t  cynatnite   Apr-19-06 07:49 PM   #36 
  - yep  GreenInNC   Apr-19-06 07:51 PM   #39 
  - Of course you can but you misunderstand the value of faith  Perky   Apr-19-06 07:52 PM   #40 
  - Can you be a completely moral person and go to your job tomorrow?  BlueEyedSon   Apr-19-06 07:53 PM   #41 
  - I was raised Catholic, thus racist, sexist, and destructive  Submariner   Apr-19-06 07:55 PM   #42 
  - not only can i be completely moral, in todays times and religion  seabeyond   Apr-19-06 07:55 PM   #43 
  - Depends.  EST   Apr-19-06 07:58 PM   #47 
  - We know that people can be highly immoral with religion, so...  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-19-06 07:58 PM   #48 
  - Of course  W_HAMILTON   Apr-19-06 07:59 PM   #49 
  - Nope. You gotta have a building and a preacher and a schedule  kurth   Apr-19-06 07:59 PM   #50 
  - Well, of course.  Just Me   Apr-19-06 08:03 PM   #53 
  - What a strange question.  Yollam   Apr-19-06 08:05 PM   #55 
  - Of course  Everybody   Apr-19-06 08:05 PM   #56 
  - Of course! I know atheists who are more Christian that Christians.  KansDem   Apr-19-06 08:06 PM   #57 
  - TOTALLY!  PretzelzRule   Apr-19-06 08:09 PM   #58 
  - Depends what one's definition of morality is  mandyky   Apr-19-06 08:13 PM   #60 
  - About 110% more moral than a significant number of the religious.  sinkingfeeling   Apr-19-06 08:16 PM   #61 
  - Yes, yes, one thousand times, YES.  kgfnally   Apr-19-06 08:17 PM   #62 
  - can you be a completely moral person WITH organized religion?  QuestionAll   Apr-19-06 08:21 PM   #63 
  - I don't think the mainstream religions cover much morality at  Cleita   Apr-19-06 08:22 PM   #64 
  - Absolutely. nt  bklyncowgirl   Apr-19-06 08:24 PM   #65 
  - These Republicans DO need a fundamentalist structure  melody   Apr-19-06 08:34 PM   #67 
  - Do people assume that religious people are moral? I don't, i take each  chimpsrsmarter   Apr-19-06 08:37 PM   #68 
  - Thats what we all should do and not  augie38   Apr-19-06 09:26 PM   #73 
  - Organized religion's influence is inescapable ...  twenty2strings   Apr-19-06 08:44 PM   #69 
  - yes  jukes   Apr-19-06 08:57 PM   #70 
  - Of course. I know a number of atheists who are among the most decent,  grannylib   Apr-19-06 08:59 PM   #71 
  - I'm one of those decent, etc., atheists.  RebelOne   Apr-20-06 07:42 AM   #117 
  - It Depends On Whose Morals You Consider  Southpawkicker   Apr-19-06 09:04 PM   #72 
  - I long for the day when the bias swings the other way  Solly Mack   Apr-19-06 09:33 PM   #74 
  - Of course  ruggerson   Apr-20-06 12:46 AM   #88 
  - Morality has nothing to do with religion.  DanCa   Apr-19-06 09:56 PM   #75 
  - Easier without it. Much easier. I want to hurt people in church.  NoSheep   Apr-19-06 09:57 PM   #76 
  - Orthodox pious LIEberman is OK with  Hardrada   Apr-19-06 10:06 PM   #77 
  - Well DUH-hhhhuuuhhhhh n/t  UTUSN   Apr-19-06 10:08 PM   #78 
  - Well, yes, given that NOBODY is perfect.......  kestrel91316   Apr-19-06 10:48 PM   #80 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-19-06 10:51 PM   #81 
  - A very silly question. It would have been better had the question  ladjf   Apr-19-06 11:19 PM   #82 
  - Bing, bing, bing! Answer of the Day.  Hissyspit   Apr-20-06 12:39 AM   #86 
  - Can you be a completely moral person WITH organized religion?  dansolo   Apr-19-06 11:20 PM   #83 
  - More so. I was raised in a fundie church and school.  Lindacooks   Apr-20-06 12:36 AM   #85 
  - reminds me of a part in the movie "Saved"  newspeak   Apr-20-06 12:52 AM   #90 
  - Yes. I'm not sure you can be a completely moral person WITH religion.  Neil Lisst   Apr-20-06 12:41 AM   #87 
  - Strong Yes. nt  greyl   Apr-20-06 12:48 AM   #89 
  - I vote Yes. But the tag sales are better in organized religion.  Old Crusoe   Apr-20-06 01:27 AM   #91 
  - yeppers.  fleabert   Apr-20-06 01:36 AM   #93 
  - yes... ...NT  Karenca   Apr-20-06 01:43 AM   #94 
  - Yes! I am more Christian than most who claim they are..and I was born  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-20-06 06:48 AM   #96 
  - Yes, and I understand eclectic, too!  katinmn   Apr-20-06 06:56 AM   #97 
  - Same here katinmn. :) eom  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-20-06 07:10 AM   #104 
  - Do you mean  0007   Apr-20-06 07:22 AM   #110 
  - If organized religion e.g. as manifested by Christian churches  niallmac   Apr-20-06 07:02 AM   #99 
  - you can be a perfectly moral person without god or religion  lionesspriyanka   Apr-20-06 07:06 AM   #100 
  - I don;t think anyone can be COMPLETELY moral regardless of rel.  aikoaiko   Apr-20-06 07:08 AM   #101 
  - Yes you can be moral without organized religion  flblu2   Apr-20-06 07:08 AM   #102 
  - Of course...  sendero   Apr-20-06 07:08 AM   #103 
  - Yes  tlsmith1963   Apr-20-06 07:11 AM   #105 
  - Absolutely.  sparosnare   Apr-20-06 07:17 AM   #107 
  - I totally agree that religion can be used this way but I believe  truckin   Apr-20-06 08:21 AM   #127 
  - No religion has an exclusive on morality...  hexola   Apr-20-06 07:20 AM   #108 
  - More likely, I'd say. (NT)  Tesha   Apr-20-06 07:20 AM   #109 
  - Don't know anyone who is "completely moral."  ehrnst   Apr-20-06 07:23 AM   #111 
  - Nonbelievers are much more moral than religious people!  cain_7777   Apr-20-06 07:27 AM   #112 
  - Can You Be A Completely Immoral Person With Organized Religion?  rman   Apr-20-06 07:37 AM   #115 
  - morality is in the eye of the beholder  michiganbuckeye1970   Apr-20-06 07:45 AM   #118 
  - Yes you can.  SunDrop23   Apr-20-06 07:51 AM   #119 
  - "And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good --  Buns_of_Fire   Apr-20-06 07:52 AM   #120 
  - No, no one is completely moral with or without religion. However,  truckin   Apr-20-06 07:56 AM   #121 
  - Why is it more difficult?  sparosnare   Apr-20-06 08:01 AM   #123 
  - In my case I have found that I have led a better, less selfish life  truckin   Apr-20-06 08:10 AM   #124 
     - Thanks for responding.  sparosnare   Apr-20-06 09:27 AM   #137 
        - I agree that everyone should be treated with respect but I do  truckin   Apr-20-06 09:38 AM   #144 
           - The annulment thing didn't woork out for Henry VIII either.  Hardrada   Apr-20-06 06:29 PM   #159 
  - Nonsense. I was raised by atheists and have never attended a  Lorien   Apr-20-06 07:40 PM   #164 
  - My sister is agnostic-leaning towards atheistic and leads a more Christian  elehhhhna   Apr-20-06 08:01 AM   #122 
  - Absolutely! n/t  Joe Fields   Apr-20-06 08:19 AM   #126 
  - I think it's much harder to be a moral person  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-20-06 08:22 AM   #129 
  - yes  APPLE314   Apr-20-06 08:25 AM   #130 
  - Only if you sing hymns  progressoid   Apr-20-06 09:00 AM   #131 
  - You got it!  DVJNU   Apr-20-06 09:19 AM   #135 
  - You can?  NoMoreMyths   Apr-20-06 09:02 AM   #132 
  - I would also add  DVJNU   Apr-20-06 09:13 AM   #133 
  - Yes, absolutely eom  Carni   Apr-20-06 09:14 AM   #134 
  - morality hasn't a damn thing to do with religion (n/t)  Triana   Apr-20-06 09:23 AM   #136 
  - Not if your going to run for office it seems.  newportdadde   Apr-20-06 09:27 AM   #138 
  - Perhaps even more so.  SmokingJacket   Apr-20-06 09:28 AM   #139 
  - All you need is mental health and compassion, Bush clearly lacking  soleft   Apr-20-06 09:29 AM   #141 
  - Of course not.  BiggJawn   Apr-20-06 09:35 AM   #142 
  - I don't think it's possible to be a completely moral person either way.  Marr   Apr-20-06 09:36 AM   #143 
  - Yes of course... Also, you can be very immoral with religion  nini   Apr-20-06 10:55 AM   #146 
  - IMHO ethics and morality are independent from religious observation  wryter2000   Apr-20-06 10:55 AM   #147 
  - People do not dictate morality  PATRICK   Apr-20-06 10:59 AM   #148 
  - Yes, of course!  ceile   Apr-20-06 11:00 AM   #149 
  - Of course you can. NT  baby_mouse   Apr-20-06 11:04 AM   #150 
  - Some of the most Immoral people in the World are "religious"  Blue Belle   Apr-20-06 11:35 AM   #152 
  - Yes.  Ex Lion Tamer   Apr-20-06 12:47 PM   #157 
  - It's all academic ... I wasn't planning on being completely moral anyway.  eppur_se_muova   Apr-20-06 06:06 PM   #158 
  - No.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-20-06 06:30 PM   #160 
  - I want one of those get out of jail free cars  Hardrada   Apr-20-06 06:34 PM   #161 
  - YES....  DemGirl7   Apr-20-06 07:23 PM   #162 
  - I'm a very moral atheist  Lorien   Apr-20-06 07:34 PM   #163 
  - Sure. But one can also participate in organized religion  JerseygirlCT   Apr-20-06 08:02 PM   #165 
  - Please excuse a bit of cynacism,  LearnedHand   Apr-20-06 11:39 PM   #166 
 

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