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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 04:29 PM
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32. If it was a better movie, the sex scene wouldn't matter. Unfortunately,
it's not a very good movie, and the sex scene in the tent is about all it has going for it, besides the staggeringly beautiful mountain settings in which it is filmed. I found the story and the characters immensely boring, for the most part.

Back in the 1930s, Hollywood and the U.S. went through similar Puritan stupidity, with what was called the Hayes Code, and edited out Jane Wyman's nude scene (swimming in a pond) in "The Lost Horizon." But it's such a great movie that it didn't matter. The notion of the movie that Shangri La was a pristine refuge from a greedy, war-weary world was only slightly harmed by the editing out of this beautiful scene. It made the idea a little more intellectual, but it was still the pervasive idea of the film, expressed in a hundred different ways in the story, dialogue, characters and setting. The editing itself was comparable to throwing a blanket over, say, the Venus de Milo, or Michelangelo's David--just a stupid act of Puritan vandalism that could not really affect the overwhelming force of enlightened ideas that those statues, or movies like "The Lost Horizon," represent.

Brokeback Mountain, on the other hand, represents what? The idea that forbidden homosexual sex will get you killed, or ruin your life? That it's an obsession, a sickness, that is inherently destructive of family life? That it's grabby and violent and selfish? That there is nothing beautiful or sensual about it? That its depiction requires staggeringly beautiful mountain scenery to compensate for its gracelessness and lack of beauty? That those who commit it are almost completely inarticulate, uninteresting, unintelligent and unconscious persons, steeped in an ugly, repressive culture that they never question?

So, cutting the big sex scene out of THIS movie does it great harm. Because that's pretty much all it's about: furtive sex that gets punished.

I thought there were a couple of good performances in it--but I often see actors rise above lousy scripts and the intentions of funders and producers. In this case, the actors cannot compensate for the poverty of ideas in this production, nor for the very poor quality of the script. And without the sex scene in the tent, even its meager notion of forbidden sex creating unhappiness and ruination in a repressive culture, cannot be fully grasped.

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  -Wal*mart selling Brokeback Mtn DVD with tent sex scene blacked out stevietheman  Apr-16-06 03:01 PM   #0 
  - That's just dumb.  justgamma   Apr-16-06 03:04 PM   #1 
  - Oh, I thought it was me!  Suich   Apr-16-06 03:28 PM   #17 
  - So the movie was sanitized itself, since it didn't show real homosexual  shain from kane   Apr-16-06 03:29 PM   #18 
  - They don't censor in Canada.  tuvor   Apr-16-06 03:04 PM   #2 
  - Why does Walmart hate tents?  Olney Blue   Apr-16-06 03:06 PM   #3 
  - They got it confused with tenting chinos.  Touchdown   Apr-16-06 03:35 PM   #24 
  - Sorry, but that's not true.  kweerwolf   Apr-16-06 03:10 PM   #4 
  - It is true in the case of my friend -- he tells the truth  stevietheman   Apr-16-06 03:13 PM   #5 
  - Right  StClone   Apr-16-06 03:16 PM   #8 
     - Again, it's an American thing, not a Wal-Mart thing.  tuvor   Apr-16-06 04:07 PM   #28 
     - And Madonna was arrested in Canada for fake-masturbation on stage  melody   Apr-16-06 04:42 PM   #35 
        - You're misuderstanding me.  tuvor   Apr-16-06 05:03 PM   #36 
           - Wal Mart did it, with the Shrub's blessing certainly  melody   Apr-16-06 05:33 PM   #40 
     - I purchased a widescreen copy at WalMart  kevinbgoode   Apr-16-06 05:14 PM   #38 
  - Yay, walmart will decide what I can see and can't see. More time to shop!  Skip Intro   Apr-16-06 03:14 PM   #6 
  - "Sanitized" version?  kurth   Apr-16-06 03:14 PM   #7 
  - Given this is the only report of this (and I ran a quick google search)  Liberal Veteran   Apr-16-06 03:18 PM   #9 
  - That is possible. Too coincidental to be probable however. n/t  stevietheman   Apr-16-06 03:19 PM   #10 
  - I'd think after a couple weeks on the shelves, someone else would have...  Liberal Veteran   Apr-16-06 03:22 PM   #12 
  - Also, Google searches don't prove anything. n/t  stevietheman   Apr-16-06 03:20 PM   #11 
     - No, but after two weeks on the shelves, doncha think maybe...  Liberal Veteran   Apr-16-06 03:22 PM   #13 
        - Yes, but a Google search won't necessarily turn it up on the first..  stevietheman   Apr-16-06 03:25 PM   #15 
  - Wal Mart can't censor movies  RGBolen   Apr-16-06 03:25 PM   #14 
  - I don't know if Wal*mart is directly or indirectly censoring Brokeback...  stevietheman   Apr-16-06 03:27 PM   #16 
  - Mine's a W-M disc. I've got it in there. Widescreen version  Touchdown   Apr-16-06 03:29 PM   #19 
  - Good point... I'll ask my friend about that. n/t  stevietheman   Apr-16-06 03:30 PM   #20 
  - I rented a copy from Hollywood video  proud patriot   Apr-16-06 03:31 PM   #21 
  - Same here. And the brightness control is up to near 100% now.  alphafemale   Apr-16-06 03:42 PM   #26 
     - LOL  proud patriot   Apr-16-06 08:21 PM   #46 
  - I would take the movie back and demand a refund...unless it is  movonne   Apr-16-06 03:34 PM   #22 
  - They don't refund opened videos.  Touchdown   Apr-16-06 03:43 PM   #27 
     - Walmart will take back opened videos, I have returned such before.  AuntPatsy   Apr-16-06 04:08 PM   #29 
     - I Would Have Argued That it was DEFECTIVE  AndyTiedye   Apr-16-06 04:36 PM   #33 
  - It could be a regional thing  alphafemale   Apr-16-06 03:35 PM   #23 
  - The studios sue them every time too.  Touchdown   Apr-16-06 03:41 PM   #25 
  - Good point, about the Airplane edits the studio mentioned...  Solon   Apr-16-06 04:12 PM   #31 
  - Not true  FreeState   Apr-16-06 06:07 PM   #43 
  - My copy works just fine? Perhaps some were tampered with, it happens  AuntPatsy   Apr-16-06 04:09 PM   #30 
  - If it was a better movie, the sex scene wouldn't matter. Unfortunately,  Peace Patriot   Apr-16-06 04:29 PM   #32 
  - And y'all shouldn't be shopping at Wal-Mart! They are bad dudes!  Peace Patriot   Apr-16-06 04:37 PM   #34 
  - I only went there because the AFA was threatening them  kevinbgoode   Apr-16-06 11:06 PM   #48 
  - I haven't seen the film. You're the first person that I've come across  0007   Apr-16-06 05:43 PM   #41 
  - They can't do that without Ang Lee's permission  dsc   Apr-16-06 05:09 PM   #37 
  - ...yep.  bliss_eternal   Apr-16-06 05:49 PM   #42 
  - I don't give walmart  zidzi   Apr-16-06 05:26 PM   #39 
  - hmm....  petersond   Apr-16-06 08:17 PM   #44 
  - gedoutahere!!!!!  Imagevision   Apr-16-06 08:19 PM   #45 
  - So?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-16-06 08:29 PM   #47 
  - Is that even legal?  YouthInAsia   Apr-16-06 11:11 PM   #49 
 

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