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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #155
164. How so?
It's illegal for a good reason, unregulated immigration harms the interests of the citizens of that country.

Comparing the righteous struggle of suffrage or emancipation with the desire to make a quick buck on the other side of the border is beyond silly.

... and it frankly pisses me off. I'm sick of being in the minority party, and those who care more about the interests of illegal immigrants than the interests of citizens aren't working toward the same goal I am - taking this country back from the corporate oligarchy that currently rules.

We won't win, ever, until we get on that page. Democrats are supposed to represent working folks.
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  -There is NO "pro ILLEGAL immigration crowd" here. UTUSN  Apr-12-06 08:58 PM   #0 
  - Me, I'm for Union workers and a living wage  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 09:03 PM   #1 
  - You're a Dem & so am I. Just add civil rights for everybody n/t  UTUSN   Apr-12-06 09:32 PM   #21 
  - There must be another DU out there or something.  Cobalt Violet   Apr-12-06 09:12 PM   #2 
  - Not one person on DU is anti-worker, no matter how much you keep  LostinVA   Apr-12-06 09:14 PM   #4 
  - No loss here.  Cobalt Violet   Apr-12-06 09:48 PM   #36 
  - That's like supporting the troops and being for the war nt  nonconformist   Apr-13-06 05:15 AM   #139 
  - No, it isn't -- and your post doesn't make any sense anyway  LostinVA   Apr-13-06 08:20 AM   #149 
  - I agree. When one worker is treated badly, we all suffer.  Iris   Apr-14-06 11:02 AM   #183 
  - I'm not pro immigration or anti-US worker but ...  tyedyeto   Apr-12-06 09:19 PM   #7 
  - Tell that to those whose wages have dropped  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 09:23 PM   #11 
  - Would those be stoop laborers from HERE? n/t  UTUSN   Apr-12-06 09:24 PM   #13 
  - And what ancestry do you have?  tyedyeto   Apr-12-06 09:31 PM   #19 
  - My German ancestors fled persecution for being pacifists  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 09:49 PM   #38 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-12-06 09:51 PM   #39 
     - Not playing 'race cards'  tyedyeto   Apr-12-06 09:59 PM   #46 
        - Yep there it is  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 10:03 PM   #49 
           - So, who is legal and who isn't?  tyedyeto   Apr-12-06 10:09 PM   #55 
              - An act which violates law is an illegal act  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 10:11 PM   #57 
  - Yes, wages have dropped and so has hours.  sheelz   Apr-12-06 10:08 PM   #54 
     - You say that like it's a bad thing...  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 10:12 PM   #58 
        - I'll give you some compassion...  sheelz   Apr-12-06 10:48 PM   #81 
           - We're on the same side here  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 10:51 PM   #82 
              - I know we're on the same side...  sheelz   Apr-12-06 11:27 PM   #115 
                 - God, it pisses me off!!  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:31 PM   #120 
                    - Corporate scum pisses me off too.  sheelz   Apr-13-06 12:33 AM   #133 
  - "pro human" ----------I LOVE it!!!!!!!1 n/t  UTUSN   Apr-12-06 09:30 PM   #18 
  - That is how I view all migrants  tyedyeto   Apr-12-06 09:39 PM   #27 
  - There are a lot of people who sell crack to help their families too.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-12-06 10:25 PM   #63 
     - Illegal is illegal...and sometimes the law is an ass.  High Plains   Apr-12-06 10:51 PM   #83 
     - Depends on how they go about it  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 10:57 PM   #87 
     - More paper crimes.  High Plains   Apr-12-06 11:03 PM   #97 
        - You don't consider forgery a crime?  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:09 PM   #107 
           - No, I really don't worry a whole bunch about forged SS cards.  High Plains   Apr-12-06 11:28 PM   #117 
              - I learned that my SS number was being used for illegal employment  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:29 PM   #119 
                 - So what happens then? I'm really curious.  High Plains   Apr-12-06 11:40 PM   #123 
                    - First, the SSA is smart enough  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:46 PM   #129 
                    - Right -- if you have a forged SSN card  LostinVA   Apr-13-06 08:23 AM   #151 
                       - ... and getting medicare and food stamps, or taking a job from a citizen.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-13-06 10:40 AM   #165 
     - Whether the law bears little resemblance with reality...  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-13-06 10:46 AM   #166 
     - Illegal is Illegal? LOL.  Misunderestimator   Apr-13-06 08:45 AM   #155 
        - How so?  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-13-06 10:36 AM   #164 
           - Right, ok... migrating here illegally is just like clubbing seals.  Misunderestimator   Apr-13-06 11:56 AM   #168 
              - Yeah, kinda. Except the "seals" are people... US citizens.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-13-06 05:52 PM   #177 
  - Links, please  Warpy   Apr-12-06 09:20 PM   #8 
  - Do your own research.  Cobalt Violet   Apr-12-06 09:24 PM   #14 
     - I see, you failed to provide a link  Warpy   Apr-12-06 09:27 PM   #16 
        - Isn't that against the DU rules?  Cobalt Violet   Apr-12-06 09:34 PM   #25 
  - I am pro-immigrants and PRO-WORKER, and a union member....  mike_c   Apr-12-06 09:20 PM   #9 
  - Thank you, my bro n/t  UTUSN   Apr-12-06 09:26 PM   #15 
  - .  tyedyeto   Apr-12-06 09:32 PM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-12-06 09:31 PM   #20 
     - Here at DU? Which Duers?  Cobalt Violet   Apr-12-06 09:37 PM   #26 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-12-06 10:09 PM   #56 
           - I wouldn't call them those names mentioned above, now deleted.  Cobalt Violet   Apr-12-06 10:35 PM   #70 
           - Oooh! That sounds like one of my posts!  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 10:43 PM   #76 
  - Are you going to speak for us on everything else, too?  electron_blue   Apr-12-06 09:14 PM   #3 
  - No, just for me and you n/t  UTUSN   Apr-12-06 09:18 PM   #6 
  - my...but people get all hepped up over buzz words...  stillcool47   Apr-12-06 09:18 PM   #5 
  - ..  loindelrio   Apr-12-06 09:21 PM   #10 
  - Hear Hear!!! Well Said and Spot On!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-12-06 09:24 PM   #12 
  - Thank you, just referring to that 400+ thread here n/t  UTUSN   Apr-12-06 09:28 PM   #17 
  - People are acting like reactionaries  jsamuel   Apr-12-06 09:33 PM   #23 
  - It's the anonymity  leftstreet   Apr-12-06 09:54 PM   #42 
     - I haven't been anonymous on this board for some time  sfexpat2000   Apr-12-06 09:59 PM   #45 
        - I don't know you  leftstreet   Apr-12-06 10:05 PM   #51 
           - Count your blessings.  sfexpat2000   Apr-12-06 10:07 PM   #53 
              - LOL!  Swamp Rat   Apr-12-06 11:28 PM   #116 
  - Pro-humanity here! n/t  vickiss   Apr-12-06 09:34 PM   #24 
  - EXACTLY! Some just support amnesty for illegal acts.  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 09:40 PM   #28 
  - Ummm ... n/t  UTUSN   Apr-12-06 09:41 PM   #29 
  - Amnesty doesn't solve the problem and neither does building a wall.  jsamuel   Apr-12-06 09:43 PM   #32 
  - That's brilliant!  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 09:46 PM   #34 
  - By the same logic, abolitionists were all felons too. n/t  sfexpat2000   Apr-12-06 09:53 PM   #41 
  - Nobody's talking about felons here...just people committing illegal acts.  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 10:01 PM   #47 
     - It's not childish to be against a practice that f#cks everyone  sfexpat2000   Apr-12-06 10:05 PM   #52 
        - They wouldn't be fucked if they'd just obey the law...  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 10:13 PM   #60 
           - That's right. They'd be "legal" and they'd be dead.  sfexpat2000   Apr-12-06 10:30 PM   #66 
           - Dead? Isn't that a stretch?  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 10:38 PM   #72 
           - Dude. It's Free Market Economics 101.  smoogatz   Apr-12-06 10:47 PM   #80 
           - On that, we seem to be in complete agreement.  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 10:52 PM   #84 
              - Bingo.  smoogatz   Apr-12-06 11:03 PM   #95 
                 - Big business (specifically, big business' influence on politicians).  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 11:10 PM   #109 
                    - Right. But in order to do that, you have to completely rewrite  smoogatz   Apr-13-06 07:46 AM   #145 
           - The law needs to reflect reality.  High Plains   Apr-12-06 10:59 PM   #90 
           - Don't confuse the American economy with cheap labor conservatives  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:03 PM   #96 
           - And everybody who benefits, i.e. American consumers  High Plains   Apr-12-06 11:08 PM   #105 
              - I don't shop at Wal-mart  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:13 PM   #111 
                 - Okay, not everybody shops at Walmart.  High Plains   Apr-12-06 11:41 PM   #124 
                    - I honestly haven't been inside one for 5 years  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:50 PM   #132 
           - The U.S. has a huge appetite for cocaine, too...  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 11:07 PM   #103 
              - Funny you mention cocaine.  High Plains   Apr-12-06 11:37 PM   #121 
                 - Which do you think will happen first...  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:38 PM   #122 
                    - Well, a progressive is about to be elected president of Mexico.  High Plains   Apr-12-06 11:45 PM   #127 
                       - Even Fox proposed incentives to make Mexicans want to return...  Bridget Burke   Apr-13-06 08:52 AM   #156 
           - Pretty soon you'll be a minority  RagingInMiami   Apr-12-06 11:44 PM   #125 
              - This isn't a minority issue, it's an immigration issue.  MercutioATC   Apr-13-06 04:32 PM   #170 
                 - If it wasn't for American greed through NAFTA  RagingInMiami   Apr-13-06 05:06 PM   #172 
                    - THAT'S an economic issue (again, not a minority issue)...  MercutioATC   Apr-13-06 05:08 PM   #173 
                       - NAFTA forced a lot of the farmers out of business  RagingInMiami   Apr-13-06 05:23 PM   #175 
                          - Same reply...NAFTA or no,  MercutioATC   Apr-13-06 11:26 PM   #179 
  - Sounds good to me, as far as immigrants go.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-13-06 07:09 AM   #142 
     - Try this:  MercutioATC   Apr-13-06 11:37 PM   #180 
  - There is a pro-illegal immigration crowd here  doc03   Apr-12-06 09:42 PM   #30 
  - & I'm also for ANYBODY *not* being exploited for & by WHOMEVER n/t  UTUSN   Apr-12-06 09:43 PM   #31 
  - Illegal immigrants allow themselves to be exploited  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 10:26 PM   #64 
     - Got Nomex?  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 10:42 PM   #74 
     - Puttin' on my flameproof suit as we speak!  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 10:44 PM   #77 
     - I know, I know. Feeding the trolls.  smoogatz   Apr-12-06 10:59 PM   #91 
     - My job isn't threatened.  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:02 PM   #94 
        - Bwahaha!  smoogatz   Apr-12-06 11:04 PM   #99 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-12-06 11:05 PM   #101 
           - Let me guess:  smoogatz   Apr-12-06 11:09 PM   #106 
              - BWAHAHA  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:10 PM   #108 
              - Parishioners? Egad.  smoogatz   Apr-13-06 07:40 AM   #144 
              - Which denomination?  Bridget Burke   Apr-13-06 08:58 AM   #158 
              - You feel superior to laundromat attendants?  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:15 PM   #112 
           - And all the African-Americans speak Ebonics....  Bridget Burke   Apr-13-06 08:57 AM   #157 
     - What would Jesus do?  High Plains   Apr-12-06 11:46 PM   #130 
        - He'd expect employers to pay a living wage  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:48 PM   #131 
           - Listen to the Reverend mycritters. It's in Matthew somewhere--  smoogatz   Apr-13-06 09:51 AM   #161 
              - He wouldn't want employers paying a living wage?  mycritters2   Apr-14-06 10:55 AM   #181 
              - In my reading of the Gospels, he was silent on the subject.  smoogatz   Apr-14-06 10:09 PM   #186 
              - What makes you think Jesus wouldn't consider BOTH  mycritters2   Apr-14-06 11:00 AM   #182 
                 - Your obsession with the criminality of undocumented workers--  smoogatz   Apr-14-06 10:19 PM   #187 
  - Bull. There is no one here who believes illegal immigration  sfexpat2000   Apr-12-06 09:47 PM   #35 
  - Bull! I have read many posts that want us to open our  doc03   Apr-12-06 10:13 PM   #59 
  - You're banging your head against a brick wall, Doc...  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 10:15 PM   #61 
     - I know but it's fun to try some times.  doc03   Apr-12-06 10:21 PM   #62 
        - Then I will leave both of you to your amusement and go  sfexpat2000   Apr-12-06 10:29 PM   #65 
           - Ummm, your next post (upstream) was to ME.....  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 10:40 PM   #73 
              - Well, I just went back and read your posts  doc03   Apr-12-06 10:55 PM   #86 
                 - Yeah, I know we do...  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 10:58 PM   #89 
  - Then why is it when anyone brings up the lowering wages  nonconformist   Apr-13-06 05:14 AM   #138 
  - I know -- I am sooo tired of the "law and order" crap  LostinVA   Apr-13-06 08:35 AM   #153 
  - The only pro-illegal immigrant crowd anywhere are  Cleita   Apr-12-06 09:55 PM   #43 
  - BUSH WANTS PEMEX as well as cheap labor  PublicWrath   Apr-12-06 10:31 PM   #67 
  - It figures.  Cleita   Apr-12-06 11:06 PM   #102 
  - .  tyedyeto   Apr-12-06 10:35 PM   #69 
  - Employers do not drive down wages by exploiting immigrants,  rman   Apr-13-06 04:53 AM   #136 
  - I'm pro-legal immigration. Make it legal for people to come here.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-13-06 07:11 AM   #143 
  - There isn't?  DeaconBlues   Apr-12-06 09:46 PM   #33 
  - I read those, too  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 09:48 PM   #37 
  - actually somebody else had it before mexico did :-)  msongs   Apr-12-06 09:57 PM   #44 
     - Agreed. I hope we haven't made her cry with our behavior. nt  sfexpat2000   Apr-12-06 10:02 PM   #48 
     - That's cool with me!  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 10:04 PM   #50 
  - Got to be careful with opinions like yours.  Cobalt Violet   Apr-12-06 09:53 PM   #40 
  - My priorities  justice1   Apr-12-06 10:33 PM   #68 
  - And what is the priority of these so-called 'illegal' people?  tyedyeto   Apr-12-06 10:37 PM   #71 
  - Then they should work to improve the country where their family is  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 10:43 PM   #75 
     - If you're going to insist on making sense,  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 10:46 PM   #78 
     - Sorry  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 10:47 PM   #79 
     - Why didn't your ancestors stay back to improve the country  entanglement   Apr-12-06 10:54 PM   #85 
     - Leave ancestors out of the debate  tyedyeto   Apr-12-06 10:58 PM   #88 
     - I didn't call you a racist  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:05 PM   #100 
     - They tried  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 10:59 PM   #92 
     - Fortunately, whether or not you're impressed matters very little  entanglement   Apr-12-06 11:17 PM   #113 
        - You asked about my ancestors  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:21 PM   #114 
        - Where "suffering" means "starving to death". Exactly. nt  sfexpat2000   Apr-12-06 11:29 PM   #118 
     - RACIST!!!!  MercutioATC   Apr-12-06 10:59 PM   #93 
     - The Irish were often forced here  justice1   Apr-13-06 09:54 AM   #162 
     - Frequently they are working to improve their home countries.  petgoat   Apr-13-06 08:12 AM   #147 
     - Yeah... Tell That To Your Ancestors (nt)  stepnw1f   Apr-13-06 09:08 AM   #160 
  - But...but...but...why do you hate brown people?!?!  QC   Apr-12-06 11:04 PM   #98 
  - I don't hate all brown people  mycritters2   Apr-12-06 11:07 PM   #104 
  - You may want to check the books because undocumented  sfexpat2000   Apr-12-06 11:44 PM   #126 
     - Actually, there is a 9 billion dollar discrepancy  nonconformist   Apr-13-06 05:09 AM   #137 
        - From the same source:  sfexpat2000   Apr-13-06 10:03 AM   #163 
  - Skinner has it about right.  AtomicKitten   Apr-12-06 11:11 PM   #110 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-12-06 11:46 PM   #128 
  - I wonder what Paul Wellstone would have said about this.  sfexpat2000   Apr-13-06 01:49 AM   #134 
  - of course he wouldn't  AtomicKitten   Apr-13-06 02:07 AM   #135 
     - They're not. It's a straw man. nt  nonconformist   Apr-13-06 05:17 AM   #140 
  - not so much "pro" anything as opposed to injustice  loyalsister   Apr-13-06 06:26 AM   #141 
  - I'm pro-making the "illegals" legal. Amnesty and open borders.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-13-06 07:57 AM   #146 
  - They're taking jobs that are needed by young black men. nt  petgoat   Apr-13-06 08:15 AM   #148 
     - oh, horseshit.  ulysses   Apr-13-06 05:45 PM   #176 
  - You're joking, right?  NaturalHigh   Apr-13-06 08:21 AM   #150 
  - Oh really? I thought that forum was right next to our "Pro-Abortion" forum  librechik   Apr-13-06 08:24 AM   #152 
  - Making someone return to Mexico isn't inhumane  El Fuego   Apr-13-06 08:36 AM   #154 
  - I agree.  Bridget Burke   Apr-13-06 09:05 AM   #159 
  - I agree.  Mass   Apr-13-06 10:48 AM   #167 
  - So the main bitch I am gleaning off of these posts is that  Cleita   Apr-13-06 12:39 PM   #169 
  - I support a form of amnesty, but definitely *not* a guest worker program  stevietheman   Apr-13-06 04:41 PM   #171 
  - Aside from the issue of deportation, I agree 100%  MercutioATC   Apr-13-06 05:12 PM   #174 
  - Actually we already have a guest worker program  Ksec   Apr-14-06 11:18 AM   #185 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-06 07:27 PM   #178 
  - Thank you.  Iris   Apr-14-06 11:05 AM   #184 
 

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