| 134. I wonder what Paul Wellstone would have said about this. |
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I wonder if he would have favored round ups
I wonder if he would have favored the criminalization of poor working people.
I wonder if he would have favored the fragmentation of millions of families.
I don't think so. And I think he would have sided with the workers.
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| -There is NO "pro ILLEGAL immigration crowd" here. |
UTUSN |
Apr-12-06 08:58 PM |
#0 |
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Me, I'm for Union workers and a living wage |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 09:03 PM |
#1 |
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You're a Dem & so am I. Just add civil rights for everybody n/t |
UTUSN |
Apr-12-06 09:32 PM |
#21 |
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There must be another DU out there or something. |
Cobalt Violet |
Apr-12-06 09:12 PM |
#2 |
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Not one person on DU is anti-worker, no matter how much you keep |
LostinVA |
Apr-12-06 09:14 PM |
#4 |
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No loss here. |
Cobalt Violet |
Apr-12-06 09:48 PM |
#36 |
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That's like supporting the troops and being for the war nt |
nonconformist |
Apr-13-06 05:15 AM |
#139 |
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No, it isn't -- and your post doesn't make any sense anyway |
LostinVA |
Apr-13-06 08:20 AM |
#149 |
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I agree. When one worker is treated badly, we all suffer. |
Iris |
Apr-14-06 11:02 AM |
#183 |
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I'm not pro immigration or anti-US worker but ... |
tyedyeto |
Apr-12-06 09:19 PM |
#7 |
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Tell that to those whose wages have dropped |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 09:23 PM |
#11 |
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Would those be stoop laborers from HERE? n/t |
UTUSN |
Apr-12-06 09:24 PM |
#13 |
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And what ancestry do you have? |
tyedyeto |
Apr-12-06 09:31 PM |
#19 |
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My German ancestors fled persecution for being pacifists |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 09:49 PM |
#38 |
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Apr-12-06 09:51 PM |
#39 |
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Not playing 'race cards' |
tyedyeto |
Apr-12-06 09:59 PM |
#46 |
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Yep there it is |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 10:03 PM |
#49 |
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So, who is legal and who isn't? |
tyedyeto |
Apr-12-06 10:09 PM |
#55 |
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An act which violates law is an illegal act |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 10:11 PM |
#57 |
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Yes, wages have dropped and so has hours. |
sheelz |
Apr-12-06 10:08 PM |
#54 |
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You say that like it's a bad thing... |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 10:12 PM |
#58 |
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I'll give you some compassion... |
sheelz |
Apr-12-06 10:48 PM |
#81 |
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We're on the same side here |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 10:51 PM |
#82 |
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I know we're on the same side... |
sheelz |
Apr-12-06 11:27 PM |
#115 |
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God, it pisses me off!! |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:31 PM |
#120 |
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Corporate scum pisses me off too. |
sheelz |
Apr-13-06 12:33 AM |
#133 |
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"pro human" ----------I LOVE it!!!!!!!1 n/t |
UTUSN |
Apr-12-06 09:30 PM |
#18 |
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That is how I view all migrants |
tyedyeto |
Apr-12-06 09:39 PM |
#27 |
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There are a lot of people who sell crack to help their families too. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-12-06 10:25 PM |
#63 |
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Illegal is illegal...and sometimes the law is an ass. |
High Plains |
Apr-12-06 10:51 PM |
#83 |
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Depends on how they go about it |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 10:57 PM |
#87 |
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More paper crimes. |
High Plains |
Apr-12-06 11:03 PM |
#97 |
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You don't consider forgery a crime? |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:09 PM |
#107 |
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No, I really don't worry a whole bunch about forged SS cards. |
High Plains |
Apr-12-06 11:28 PM |
#117 |
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I learned that my SS number was being used for illegal employment |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:29 PM |
#119 |
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So what happens then? I'm really curious. |
High Plains |
Apr-12-06 11:40 PM |
#123 |
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First, the SSA is smart enough |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:46 PM |
#129 |
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Right -- if you have a forged SSN card |
LostinVA |
Apr-13-06 08:23 AM |
#151 |
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... and getting medicare and food stamps, or taking a job from a citizen. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-13-06 10:40 AM |
#165 |
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Whether the law bears little resemblance with reality... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-13-06 10:46 AM |
#166 |
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Illegal is Illegal? LOL. |
Misunderestimator |
Apr-13-06 08:45 AM |
#155 |
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How so? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-13-06 10:36 AM |
#164 |
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Right, ok... migrating here illegally is just like clubbing seals. |
Misunderestimator |
Apr-13-06 11:56 AM |
#168 |
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Yeah, kinda. Except the "seals" are people... US citizens. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-13-06 05:52 PM |
#177 |
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Links, please |
Warpy |
Apr-12-06 09:20 PM |
#8 |
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Do your own research. |
Cobalt Violet |
Apr-12-06 09:24 PM |
#14 |
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I see, you failed to provide a link |
Warpy |
Apr-12-06 09:27 PM |
#16 |
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Isn't that against the DU rules? |
Cobalt Violet |
Apr-12-06 09:34 PM |
#25 |
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I am pro-immigrants and PRO-WORKER, and a union member.... |
mike_c |
Apr-12-06 09:20 PM |
#9 |
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Thank you, my bro n/t |
UTUSN |
Apr-12-06 09:26 PM |
#15 |
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. |
tyedyeto |
Apr-12-06 09:32 PM |
#22 |
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Apr-12-06 09:31 PM |
#20 |
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Here at DU? Which Duers? |
Cobalt Violet |
Apr-12-06 09:37 PM |
#26 |
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Apr-12-06 10:09 PM |
#56 |
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I wouldn't call them those names mentioned above, now deleted. |
Cobalt Violet |
Apr-12-06 10:35 PM |
#70 |
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Oooh! That sounds like one of my posts! |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 10:43 PM |
#76 |
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Are you going to speak for us on everything else, too? |
electron_blue |
Apr-12-06 09:14 PM |
#3 |
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No, just for me and you n/t |
UTUSN |
Apr-12-06 09:18 PM |
#6 |
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my...but people get all hepped up over buzz words... |
stillcool47 |
Apr-12-06 09:18 PM |
#5 |
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.. |
loindelrio |
Apr-12-06 09:21 PM |
#10 |
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Hear Hear!!! Well Said and Spot On! |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Apr-12-06 09:24 PM |
#12 |
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Thank you, just referring to that 400+ thread here n/t |
UTUSN |
Apr-12-06 09:28 PM |
#17 |
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People are acting like reactionaries |
jsamuel |
Apr-12-06 09:33 PM |
#23 |
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It's the anonymity |
leftstreet |
Apr-12-06 09:54 PM |
#42 |
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I haven't been anonymous on this board for some time |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-12-06 09:59 PM |
#45 |
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I don't know you |
leftstreet |
Apr-12-06 10:05 PM |
#51 |
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Count your blessings. |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-12-06 10:07 PM |
#53 |
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LOL! |
Swamp Rat |
Apr-12-06 11:28 PM |
#116 |
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Pro-humanity here! n/t |
vickiss |
Apr-12-06 09:34 PM |
#24 |
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EXACTLY! Some just support amnesty for illegal acts. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 09:40 PM |
#28 |
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Ummm ... n/t |
UTUSN |
Apr-12-06 09:41 PM |
#29 |
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Amnesty doesn't solve the problem and neither does building a wall. |
jsamuel |
Apr-12-06 09:43 PM |
#32 |
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That's brilliant! |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 09:46 PM |
#34 |
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By the same logic, abolitionists were all felons too. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-12-06 09:53 PM |
#41 |
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Nobody's talking about felons here...just people committing illegal acts. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 10:01 PM |
#47 |
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It's not childish to be against a practice that f#cks everyone |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-12-06 10:05 PM |
#52 |
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They wouldn't be fucked if they'd just obey the law... |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 10:13 PM |
#60 |
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That's right. They'd be "legal" and they'd be dead. |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-12-06 10:30 PM |
#66 |
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Dead? Isn't that a stretch? |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 10:38 PM |
#72 |
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Dude. It's Free Market Economics 101. |
smoogatz |
Apr-12-06 10:47 PM |
#80 |
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On that, we seem to be in complete agreement. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 10:52 PM |
#84 |
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Bingo. |
smoogatz |
Apr-12-06 11:03 PM |
#95 |
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Big business (specifically, big business' influence on politicians). |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 11:10 PM |
#109 |
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Right. But in order to do that, you have to completely rewrite |
smoogatz |
Apr-13-06 07:46 AM |
#145 |
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The law needs to reflect reality. |
High Plains |
Apr-12-06 10:59 PM |
#90 |
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Don't confuse the American economy with cheap labor conservatives |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:03 PM |
#96 |
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And everybody who benefits, i.e. American consumers |
High Plains |
Apr-12-06 11:08 PM |
#105 |
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I don't shop at Wal-mart |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:13 PM |
#111 |
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Okay, not everybody shops at Walmart. |
High Plains |
Apr-12-06 11:41 PM |
#124 |
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I honestly haven't been inside one for 5 years |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:50 PM |
#132 |
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The U.S. has a huge appetite for cocaine, too... |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 11:07 PM |
#103 |
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Funny you mention cocaine. |
High Plains |
Apr-12-06 11:37 PM |
#121 |
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Which do you think will happen first... |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:38 PM |
#122 |
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Well, a progressive is about to be elected president of Mexico. |
High Plains |
Apr-12-06 11:45 PM |
#127 |
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Even Fox proposed incentives to make Mexicans want to return... |
Bridget Burke |
Apr-13-06 08:52 AM |
#156 |
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Pretty soon you'll be a minority |
RagingInMiami |
Apr-12-06 11:44 PM |
#125 |
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This isn't a minority issue, it's an immigration issue. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-13-06 04:32 PM |
#170 |
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If it wasn't for American greed through NAFTA |
RagingInMiami |
Apr-13-06 05:06 PM |
#172 |
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THAT'S an economic issue (again, not a minority issue)... |
MercutioATC |
Apr-13-06 05:08 PM |
#173 |
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NAFTA forced a lot of the farmers out of business |
RagingInMiami |
Apr-13-06 05:23 PM |
#175 |
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Same reply...NAFTA or no, |
MercutioATC |
Apr-13-06 11:26 PM |
#179 |
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Sounds good to me, as far as immigrants go. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-13-06 07:09 AM |
#142 |
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Try this: |
MercutioATC |
Apr-13-06 11:37 PM |
#180 |
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There is a pro-illegal immigration crowd here |
doc03 |
Apr-12-06 09:42 PM |
#30 |
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& I'm also for ANYBODY *not* being exploited for & by WHOMEVER n/t |
UTUSN |
Apr-12-06 09:43 PM |
#31 |
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Illegal immigrants allow themselves to be exploited |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 10:26 PM |
#64 |
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Got Nomex? |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 10:42 PM |
#74 |
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Puttin' on my flameproof suit as we speak! |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 10:44 PM |
#77 |
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I know, I know. Feeding the trolls. |
smoogatz |
Apr-12-06 10:59 PM |
#91 |
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My job isn't threatened. |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:02 PM |
#94 |
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Bwahaha! |
smoogatz |
Apr-12-06 11:04 PM |
#99 |
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Apr-12-06 11:05 PM |
#101 |
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Let me guess: |
smoogatz |
Apr-12-06 11:09 PM |
#106 |
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BWAHAHA |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:10 PM |
#108 |
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Parishioners? Egad. |
smoogatz |
Apr-13-06 07:40 AM |
#144 |
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Which denomination? |
Bridget Burke |
Apr-13-06 08:58 AM |
#158 |
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You feel superior to laundromat attendants? |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:15 PM |
#112 |
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And all the African-Americans speak Ebonics.... |
Bridget Burke |
Apr-13-06 08:57 AM |
#157 |
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What would Jesus do? |
High Plains |
Apr-12-06 11:46 PM |
#130 |
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He'd expect employers to pay a living wage |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:48 PM |
#131 |
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Listen to the Reverend mycritters. It's in Matthew somewhere-- |
smoogatz |
Apr-13-06 09:51 AM |
#161 |
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He wouldn't want employers paying a living wage? |
mycritters2 |
Apr-14-06 10:55 AM |
#181 |
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In my reading of the Gospels, he was silent on the subject. |
smoogatz |
Apr-14-06 10:09 PM |
#186 |
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What makes you think Jesus wouldn't consider BOTH |
mycritters2 |
Apr-14-06 11:00 AM |
#182 |
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Your obsession with the criminality of undocumented workers-- |
smoogatz |
Apr-14-06 10:19 PM |
#187 |
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Bull. There is no one here who believes illegal immigration |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-12-06 09:47 PM |
#35 |
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Bull! I have read many posts that want us to open our |
doc03 |
Apr-12-06 10:13 PM |
#59 |
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You're banging your head against a brick wall, Doc... |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 10:15 PM |
#61 |
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I know but it's fun to try some times. |
doc03 |
Apr-12-06 10:21 PM |
#62 |
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Then I will leave both of you to your amusement and go |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-12-06 10:29 PM |
#65 |
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Ummm, your next post (upstream) was to ME..... |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 10:40 PM |
#73 |
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Well, I just went back and read your posts |
doc03 |
Apr-12-06 10:55 PM |
#86 |
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Yeah, I know we do... |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 10:58 PM |
#89 |
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Then why is it when anyone brings up the lowering wages |
nonconformist |
Apr-13-06 05:14 AM |
#138 |
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I know -- I am sooo tired of the "law and order" crap |
LostinVA |
Apr-13-06 08:35 AM |
#153 |
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The only pro-illegal immigrant crowd anywhere are |
Cleita |
Apr-12-06 09:55 PM |
#43 |
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BUSH WANTS PEMEX as well as cheap labor |
PublicWrath |
Apr-12-06 10:31 PM |
#67 |
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It figures. |
Cleita |
Apr-12-06 11:06 PM |
#102 |
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. |
tyedyeto |
Apr-12-06 10:35 PM |
#69 |
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Employers do not drive down wages by exploiting immigrants, |
rman |
Apr-13-06 04:53 AM |
#136 |
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I'm pro-legal immigration. Make it legal for people to come here. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-13-06 07:11 AM |
#143 |
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There isn't? |
DeaconBlues |
Apr-12-06 09:46 PM |
#33 |
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I read those, too |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 09:48 PM |
#37 |
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actually somebody else had it before mexico did :-) |
msongs |
Apr-12-06 09:57 PM |
#44 |
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Agreed. I hope we haven't made her cry with our behavior. nt |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-12-06 10:02 PM |
#48 |
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That's cool with me! |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 10:04 PM |
#50 |
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Got to be careful with opinions like yours. |
Cobalt Violet |
Apr-12-06 09:53 PM |
#40 |
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My priorities |
justice1 |
Apr-12-06 10:33 PM |
#68 |
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And what is the priority of these so-called 'illegal' people? |
tyedyeto |
Apr-12-06 10:37 PM |
#71 |
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Then they should work to improve the country where their family is |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 10:43 PM |
#75 |
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If you're going to insist on making sense, |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 10:46 PM |
#78 |
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Sorry |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 10:47 PM |
#79 |
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Why didn't your ancestors stay back to improve the country |
entanglement |
Apr-12-06 10:54 PM |
#85 |
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Leave ancestors out of the debate |
tyedyeto |
Apr-12-06 10:58 PM |
#88 |
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I didn't call you a racist |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:05 PM |
#100 |
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They tried |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 10:59 PM |
#92 |
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Fortunately, whether or not you're impressed matters very little |
entanglement |
Apr-12-06 11:17 PM |
#113 |
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You asked about my ancestors |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:21 PM |
#114 |
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Where "suffering" means "starving to death". Exactly. nt |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-12-06 11:29 PM |
#118 |
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RACIST!!!! |
MercutioATC |
Apr-12-06 10:59 PM |
#93 |
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The Irish were often forced here |
justice1 |
Apr-13-06 09:54 AM |
#162 |
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Frequently they are working to improve their home countries. |
petgoat |
Apr-13-06 08:12 AM |
#147 |
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Yeah... Tell That To Your Ancestors (nt) |
stepnw1f |
Apr-13-06 09:08 AM |
#160 |
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But...but...but...why do you hate brown people?!?! |
QC |
Apr-12-06 11:04 PM |
#98 |
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I don't hate all brown people |
mycritters2 |
Apr-12-06 11:07 PM |
#104 |
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You may want to check the books because undocumented |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-12-06 11:44 PM |
#126 |
| -
Actually, there is a 9 billion dollar discrepancy |
nonconformist |
Apr-13-06 05:09 AM |
#137 |
| -
From the same source: |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-13-06 10:03 AM |
#163 |
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Skinner has it about right. |
AtomicKitten |
Apr-12-06 11:11 PM |
#110 |
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Apr-12-06 11:46 PM |
#128 |
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I wonder what Paul Wellstone would have said about this. |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-13-06 01:49 AM |
#134 |
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of course he wouldn't |
AtomicKitten |
Apr-13-06 02:07 AM |
#135 |
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They're not. It's a straw man. nt |
nonconformist |
Apr-13-06 05:17 AM |
#140 |
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not so much "pro" anything as opposed to injustice |
loyalsister |
Apr-13-06 06:26 AM |
#141 |
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I'm pro-making the "illegals" legal. Amnesty and open borders. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-13-06 07:57 AM |
#146 |
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They're taking jobs that are needed by young black men. nt |
petgoat |
Apr-13-06 08:15 AM |
#148 |
| -
oh, horseshit. |
ulysses |
Apr-13-06 05:45 PM |
#176 |
| -
You're joking, right? |
NaturalHigh |
Apr-13-06 08:21 AM |
#150 |
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Oh really? I thought that forum was right next to our "Pro-Abortion" forum |
librechik |
Apr-13-06 08:24 AM |
#152 |
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Making someone return to Mexico isn't inhumane |
El Fuego |
Apr-13-06 08:36 AM |
#154 |
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I agree. |
Bridget Burke |
Apr-13-06 09:05 AM |
#159 |
| -
I agree. |
Mass |
Apr-13-06 10:48 AM |
#167 |
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So the main bitch I am gleaning off of these posts is that |
Cleita |
Apr-13-06 12:39 PM |
#169 |
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I support a form of amnesty, but definitely *not* a guest worker program |
stevietheman |
Apr-13-06 04:41 PM |
#171 |
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Aside from the issue of deportation, I agree 100% |
MercutioATC |
Apr-13-06 05:12 PM |
#174 |
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Actually we already have a guest worker program |
Ksec |
Apr-14-06 11:18 AM |
#185 |
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Apr-13-06 07:27 PM |
#178 |
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Thank you. |
Iris |
Apr-14-06 11:05 AM |
#184 |
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