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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 08:29 AM
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29. Your analysis makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure about the wanting to
be loved part, but in general, what you're saying is probably going to be at the heart of the way history and political scinece experts will argue it in the future. He experimented with and trusted the centrist stuff, therefore, I will always refrain from gushing. Standing up to Gingrich, holding fast on the budget and spending, and not giving in to the PNAC crowd were the highlights, at the time and in retrospect. 'Getting it' as far as diplomacy and the culture of the rest of the world was a plus. The capacity to talk to a foreign President's financial guy as easily as the President was refreshing. Not selling parks, not putting arsenic in the water, and breaking treaties were right up there. But he was a corporate guy and probably spent more time analyzing and catering to the right, then the left.

I can't fault what you've expressed here.

(I'll refrain from my Nader, the pro-corporate supporter, rant).
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  -If Clinton had been a liberal progressive, Gore would be in his 2 term mdmc  Apr-05-06 07:38 AM   #0 
  - or Clinton could have lost to Poppy Bush or to Dole  Cocoa   Apr-05-06 07:47 AM   #1 
  - Dole - Kemp went no-where. Clinton could have swung to the left  mdmc   Apr-05-06 07:55 AM   #3 
     - Dole went no where because Clinton already occupied the middle  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-05-06 08:04 AM   #10 
        - I think that Clinton had that election hook line and sinker  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:16 AM   #22 
           - Clinton was so popular because he was a centrist  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-05-06 08:28 AM   #27 
              - i disagree  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:34 AM   #31 
                 - Nah. Centrist.  mondo joe   Apr-05-06 08:36 AM   #35 
                    - what else happened when his poll # sank?  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:46 AM   #42 
                       - That would be part of the perception that he was left of center.  mondo joe   Apr-05-06 08:56 AM   #50 
                          - health care reform was a good idea  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:57 AM   #51 
                             - It was a good idea. Like a lot of liberal ideas. And, though I repeat  mondo joe   Apr-05-06 09:17 AM   #58 
                             - but it failed politically  Cocoa   Apr-05-06 09:17 AM   #59 
  - If the green party wasn't on the ballot in Florida  bowens43   Apr-05-06 07:54 AM   #2 
  - So...  yngliberal   Apr-05-06 07:59 AM   #6 
  - People are allowed to vote for anybody on the ballot.  Bridget Burke   Apr-05-06 08:58 AM   #52 
     - a better use of your time from time to time  mdmc   Apr-05-06 09:02 AM   #54 
        - I don't waste much time ragging on the Naderoids....  Bridget Burke   Apr-05-06 09:23 AM   #61 
           - I am sorry that I didn't get the whole essay. That was not intentional  mdmc   Apr-05-06 12:02 PM   #63 
           - here it is in its entirety  mdmc   Apr-05-06 12:03 PM   #64 
  - More Dems voted for Bush then they did Nader  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:03 AM   #9 
  - There were more registered Democrats in Florida that voted for Bush...  htuttle   Apr-05-06 08:04 AM   #12 
  - At this point..  Murdock   Apr-05-06 07:55 AM   #4 
  - that is all true Murdock  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:07 AM   #16 
  - Bullshit! This whole damn mess we're in is Nader's fault  Gman   Apr-05-06 07:58 AM   #5 
  - two legs goood...  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:14 AM   #20 
  - I should just write this down, and copy and paste  MadHound   Apr-05-06 08:43 AM   #41 
     - thanks you for this great post  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:50 AM   #44 
        - Like I said  MadHound   Apr-05-06 08:52 AM   #46 
           - notes on the 2000 selection  mdmc   Apr-05-06 09:06 AM   #56 
  - Clinton? If anything  Jim4Wes   Apr-05-06 07:59 AM   #7 
  - underlying shifts? Do you mean that the USA is getting more Con?  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:19 AM   #24 
     - certainly the conserv coalition grew up in the 80's.  Jim4Wes   Apr-05-06 08:38 AM   #37 
        - there was talk of Kerry McCain in 2004  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:52 AM   #45 
           - Never very likely  Jim4Wes   Apr-05-06 08:56 AM   #48 
              - I could see a neo-con hr4437 party going up against the dlc-gop  mdmc   Apr-05-06 09:04 AM   #55 
                 - My own theory  Jim4Wes   Apr-05-06 09:11 AM   #57 
                    - very pragmatic  mdmc   Apr-05-06 09:23 AM   #62 
  - If Clinton had been removed from office  quaoar   Apr-05-06 08:02 AM   #8 
  - But he wasn't  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-05-06 08:05 AM   #13 
     - I often wonder how a resignation might have played out.  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:26 AM   #26 
  - What if Eleanlor Roosevelt had Superman's Powers?  mondo joe   Apr-05-06 08:04 AM   #11 
  - What if Robert E. Lee had nuclear weapons?  QC   Apr-05-06 08:11 AM   #19 
  - What if George W Bush had been a liberal progressive?  Bridget Burke   Apr-05-06 09:18 AM   #60 
     - yes!  mdmc   Apr-05-06 12:04 PM   #65 
  - A liberal progressive platform can be created for 2008  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:29 AM   #28 
  - There are many people to blame for gore not winning  jim3775   Apr-05-06 08:07 AM   #14 
  - Well fighting for universal health care, gun control, and tax fairness...  LSdemocrat   Apr-05-06 08:07 AM   #15 
  - yeah, we should never fight for those things  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:32 AM   #30 
  - Say folks, don't forget the electronic voting machines!  Stevepol   Apr-05-06 08:09 AM   #17 
  - only the greens  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:35 AM   #33 
  - The "liberal" media had it in for Gore  keith the dem   Apr-05-06 08:11 AM   #18 
  - and we're in an illegal WAR and the people of NOLA are still  Alamom   Apr-05-06 08:24 AM   #25 
  - msm will never give dems a pass again  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:36 AM   #34 
  - Baloney.  abluelady   Apr-05-06 08:16 AM   #21 
  - why did clenus come out  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:38 AM   #36 
  - Bill was just trying to be honest. In the post-industrial globalized  HereSince1628   Apr-05-06 08:18 AM   #23 
  - thank you kindly for your post  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:40 AM   #38 
  - Your analysis makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure about the wanting to  higher class   Apr-05-06 08:29 AM   #29 
  - thank you kindly for this post  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:41 AM   #39 
  - You're blaming clinton for bush stealing the elections? Wow, talk about  radwriter0555   Apr-05-06 08:35 AM   #32 
  - w would have never had a chance against a liberal progressive  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:43 AM   #40 
  - Clinton came to the White House as a liberal.  tasteblind   Apr-05-06 08:46 AM   #43 
  - I guess he did do pretty good for a pot smoking, draft dodging  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:56 AM   #49 
  - That ego freak Nader would have run no matter what  warrens   Apr-05-06 08:53 AM   #47 
     - i hear you  mdmc   Apr-05-06 08:58 AM   #53 

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