| 31. He's too smart for this country, and its electorate.... |
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Reading his words themselves, there's nothing wrong with em. The only wrong comes when people read into his words things he simply didn't say.
Obama did NOT for example, say ANY of the following:
(a) We should not be careful about how we achieve Social Security goals.
(b) There are no factors in a successful education beyond teachers.
(c) Parents are not a factor in a child's education.
(d) Poverty is not a factor in a child's education.
(e) Learning disabilities are not a factor in a child's education.
He simply didn't say these things. Nothing he said implied those things. Nothing he said so much as SUGGESTED those things. And yet your criticisms only make sense on the assumption that he did say those things.
I personally, for example, believe that pay for performance makes perfect sense. I also believe that poverty, parenting, and numerous other things need to be addressed in order to create a COMPLETE solution.
I think ascribing statements to someone that they didn't make - ESPECIALLY when they're trained lawyers (specifically trained to say EXACTLY what they mean) - is a rather low form of argumentation. All the more so when the person IS ON YOUR FUCKING SIDE.
|
Obama was dead wrong in his AP speech yesterday. I am furious. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 01:19 PM |
#0 |

I don't know... |
JStuart |
Apr-04-06 01:21 PM |
#1 |

I am not at all impressed with this guy..never was and could not |
movonne |
Apr-04-06 01:22 PM |
#2 |
 
He's a great opportunist |
kurth |
Apr-04-06 01:28 PM |
# |
 
Ditto |
Imagine My Surprise |
Apr-04-06 02:00 PM |
#39 |
 
..Gotta pile on here. I never GOT whatever it is that makes him so |
AzDar |
Apr-04-06 03:36 PM |
#117 |
 
totally agree. He's a huge disappointment. |
Chimichurri |
Apr-04-06 03:37 PM |
#118 |
 
He gave one good speech |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-04-06 05:06 PM |
#139 |
 
I sent him a letter last week... |
Kittycat |
Apr-04-06 05:07 PM |
#140 |
 
I was turned off by his religious rhetoric |
trixie |
Apr-04-06 05:52 PM |
#146 |
 
Obama has been an O-bust -- he never lives up to his campaign speeches |
Czolgosz |
Apr-04-06 07:53 PM |
#155 |
 
I must admit, I became suspicious when the media absolutely gushed |
Lorien |
Apr-06-06 01:41 AM |
#204 |
 
Honestly, I never saw much in him either... |
Pacifist Patriot |
Apr-06-06 11:33 AM |
#214 |

Obama graduated from an elite private school in Hawaii. |
philosophie_en_rose |
Apr-04-06 01:22 PM |
#3 |
 
Why have so few politicians gone to public schools? |
mycritters2 |
Apr-04-06 02:07 PM |
#44 |

Ooooo, I could get into so much trouble if I answered... |
Pacifist Patriot |
Apr-06-06 11:34 AM |
#215 |

Another reason |
mmonk |
Apr-04-06 01:23 PM |
#4 |

And another damn thing, Obama...about that "safety net" |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 01:24 PM |
#5 |
 
It was during the great depression |
catmandu57 |
Apr-04-06 01:27 PM |
#7 |

You are right, the 30s. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 01:28 PM |
#10 |

Mr. Obama continues to be a deep disappointment. |
EST |
Apr-04-06 01:25 PM |
#6 |

That's pretty sucky |
GreenPartyVoter |
Apr-04-06 01:27 PM |
#8 |

I don't know about Obama either. The more I see of him, the more I wonder |
IsItJustMe |
Apr-04-06 01:27 PM |
#9 |

*sigh* |
endarkenment |
Apr-04-06 01:28 PM |
#11 |
 
Dems do NOT attack seniors with impunity. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 01:31 PM |
#15 |
 
You are right on the mark. He's no rising star, just another politician. |
IsItJustMe |
Apr-04-06 01:35 PM |
#20 |
 
Please put "centrist" in quotes when describing the DLC... |
calipendence |
Apr-04-06 02:34 PM |
#69 |

how about "Corporatist Democrats" |
Protagoras |
Apr-04-06 02:50 PM |
#90 |
 
That works for me... |
calipendence |
Apr-04-06 03:49 PM |
#121 |

I actually didn't use the toxic DLC word. |
endarkenment |
Apr-04-06 05:01 PM |
#136 |

I think that you are correctly identifying corporatist there... |
calipendence |
Apr-04-06 05:16 PM |
#142 |

I've stopped using DLC as a label |
endarkenment |
Apr-05-06 09:03 AM |
#176 |

From the beginning I felt that Obama was a Manchurian Candidate. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Apr-04-06 01:28 PM |
#12 |
 
Obama is an elitist at heart |
kurth |
Apr-04-06 01:32 PM |
#16 |
 
The Illinois GOP had a meltdown. |
endarkenment |
Apr-04-06 01:35 PM |
#19 |
  
I think the GOP is too well organized than to have a "meltdown". |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Apr-04-06 02:45 PM |
#80 |
 
Not in this case in Illinois. |
endarkenment |
Apr-04-06 05:03 PM |
#137 |
 
"out of state rabid contender" = Alan Keyes |
bunkerbuster1 |
Apr-04-06 01:45 PM |
#26 |
  
Hey, let's get "7 of 9" (Jeri Ryan) to run for the Dems... |
calipendence |
Apr-04-06 02:36 PM |
#74 |
   
It'd be tough getting fellas to volunteer to work with her |
bunkerbuster1 |
Apr-04-06 02:51 PM |
#91 |
  
Thanks for reminding me of his name. I didn't have the time to do a search |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Apr-04-06 02:48 PM |
#85 |
  
Not true, you know... |
Hard_Work |
Apr-04-06 05:33 PM |
#144 |
 
Well, I haven't seen polling from the time |
bunkerbuster1 |
Apr-04-06 10:14 PM |
#163 |
 
Yeah, that homophobic nutball Alan Keyes n/t |
DrRang |
Apr-04-06 02:01 PM |
#40 |
 
Great minds think alike. LOL! |
fooj |
Apr-04-06 02:50 PM |
#88 |

lol fooj!!!!!!! |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Apr-04-06 03:20 PM |
#111 |

Obama= premature ejaculation |
OutsidetheBox |
Apr-04-06 01:30 PM |
#13 |

If he's not careful, he's going to go the way of his mentor |
Norquist Nemesis |
Apr-04-06 01:31 PM |
#14 |
 
His mentor was Lieberman, isn't that what he said? |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 01:33 PM |
#18 |

Whether he was kidding or not |
Norquist Nemesis |
Apr-04-06 01:43 PM |
#24 |

no. His mentor during many of his years in IL State House was Paul Simon |
American liberal |
Apr-05-06 01:01 AM |
#165 |

We are speaking of what Lieberman said about it. |
madfloridian |
Apr-05-06 02:07 AM |
#174 |

I'm am Very Unimpressed by This Man |
stepnw1f |
Apr-04-06 01:33 PM |
#17 |

Did people read everything he said |
qanda |
Apr-04-06 01:38 PM |
#21 |
 
Don't start the bash stuff. I used his own words. He said them. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 01:41 PM |
#22 |
  
I asked a question to the other posters |
qanda |
Apr-04-06 01:48 PM |
#30 |
   
Students are people, not objects to be measured. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 01:51 PM |
#33 |
  
You used the words a paper printed that he said, read the speech! |
never cry wolf |
Apr-04-06 01:58 PM |
#36 |
 
Oh, you beat me to it. Great comment. There are plenty of Obama |
cantstandbush |
Apr-04-06 06:54 PM |
#152 |
 
I am a Obama basher because I questioned his words? Simplistic. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 06:58 PM |
#153 |
 
What were his words, gimme a transcript! |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 12:18 AM |
#190 |
 
It's difficult to read what Obama said as anything progressive. |
BurtWorm |
Apr-04-06 01:46 PM |
#27 |

universal health care/universal education |
ripple |
Apr-04-06 03:45 PM |
#120 |

The disparagement, or criticism, may come from people who don't |
BurtWorm |
Apr-04-06 04:13 PM |
#128 |

The object here is to get rid of Rucking Fepublicans |
warrens |
Apr-04-06 01:42 PM |
#23 |
 
So I am not to question when their policy hurts teachers and seniors? |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 01:44 PM |
#25 |

And please continue to do so. |
endarkenment |
Apr-05-06 05:57 PM |
#181 |

I guess I'm not seeing what is so bad about this. |
Skinner |
Apr-04-06 01:47 PM |
#28 |
 
Here is one part I hate. |
endarkenment |
Apr-04-06 01:56 PM |
#34 |
  
I agree that basing teacher pay on test scores is bad policy. |
Skinner |
Apr-04-06 02:05 PM |
#41 |
   
I was speaking of seniors' safety nets. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:11 PM |
#47 |
    
Where does Obama talk about privatizing social security? |
Radical Activist |
Apr-04-06 02:31 PM |
#66 |
   
Uh, that is what is on the table now. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:35 PM |
#70 |
   
The goal of the admin |
Radical Activist |
Apr-04-06 02:39 PM |
#76 |
   
What if merit increases aren't based on the scores themselves, |
antfarm |
Apr-04-06 02:55 PM |
#96 |
  
If it is "on improvement by students" as measured by test scores |
endarkenment |
Apr-04-06 04:37 PM |
#131 |
  
How do you measure improvement? |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 01:30 AM |
#200 |
  
Want proof on UHC? Look at the Clintons' plan, 1994 |
no name no slogan |
Apr-04-06 03:58 PM |
#122 |
   
Precisely. |
endarkenment |
Apr-04-06 04:42 PM |
#132 |
  
But he doesn't say pay should be based on test scores. . . |
brensgrrl |
Apr-05-06 01:43 AM |
#170 |
 
You need the whole paragraph to get the full meaning of what I wrote. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 01:59 PM |
#37 |
  
I disagree. |
Skinner |
Apr-04-06 02:07 PM |
#43 |
   
They mean privatize. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:12 PM |
#48 |
    
Yes....that's worrisome that Dems would be infavor of considering |
KoKo01 |
Apr-04-06 03:18 PM |
#110 |
     
Obama isn't talking privatization |
ripple |
Apr-04-06 03:59 PM |
#123 |
    
Agree-- |
brensgrrl |
Apr-05-06 01:47 AM |
#172 |
    
Is that what Obama is saying? |
Telly Savalas |
Apr-05-06 11:32 PM |
#188 |
   
I agree with Skinner |
never cry wolf |
Apr-04-06 02:14 PM |
#53 |
    
Not with this bunch in power. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:23 PM |
#57 |
   
Come on, Skinner. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-04-06 02:21 PM |
# |
    
Where does he embrace corporatism or advocate privatization? |
never cry wolf |
Apr-04-06 02:24 PM |
#60 |
   
Give me your interpretation of this sentence: |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-04-06 02:26 PM |
# |
    
My interpretation is |
never cry wolf |
Apr-04-06 02:36 PM |
#73 |
   
That's a good try, but that's not what he said. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-04-06 02:47 PM |
#83 |
   
hahahahaha |
never cry wolf |
Apr-04-06 02:59 PM |
#103 |
   
I am speaking of "safety nets". Social Security and Medicare. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:27 PM |
#63 |
   
And Obama has never advocated privatization |
tishaLA |
Apr-04-06 02:46 PM |
#81 |
   
Exactlly so. |
incapsulated |
Apr-04-06 02:50 PM |
#87 |
   
Glad to hear that. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:54 PM |
#94 |
   
He's criticizing dems who defend which programs? |
tishaLA |
Apr-04-06 03:16 PM |
#108 |
   
I stand by my OP. It was clear, it was honest. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 04:46 PM |
#133 |
   
By that standard, we should stand by the same |
tishaLA |
Apr-04-06 05:29 PM |
#143 |
   
Medicare and Social Security should be precious to our Democrats. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 05:47 PM |
#145 |
   
They are to Obama |
tishaLA |
Apr-04-06 05:54 PM |
#147 |
   
Then why is he criticizing Dems who support the traditional programs? |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 06:06 PM |
#149 |
   
Agnostic does not mean doubtful |
tishaLA |
Apr-04-06 06:16 PM |
#151 |
   
But the ones he is willing to work with have one goal... |
madfloridian |
Apr-05-06 11:39 PM |
#189 |
   
Where O WHERE does he EVER say he's giving in to the pukes? |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 12:28 AM |
#192 |
   
He criticized Democrats who support the safety nets. |
madfloridian |
Apr-06-06 01:26 AM |
#199 |
   
The bush gang's days are numbered |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 01:46 AM |
#205 |
   
Defending Social Security....just the way it is....what's wrong with that? |
KoKo01 |
Apr-04-06 03:17 PM |
#109 |
   
I agree with you wholeheartedly, Skinner |
American liberal |
Apr-05-06 01:29 AM |
#167 |
  
Maybe we need a NEW safety net? |
Radical Activist |
Apr-04-06 02:32 PM |
#68 |
 
It is his reference to "safety nets" that bothered me. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:06 PM |
#42 |
  
I seriously doubt that Obama is suggesting that we should just |
Skinner |
Apr-04-06 02:09 PM |
#45 |
 
Sorry Skinner: Obama is proof positive that there is no black/white... |
Tyler Durden |
Apr-04-06 02:13 PM |
#50 |
 
I live in IL. I voted for Obama. I still cautiously support him. Here's... |
American liberal |
Apr-05-06 01:17 AM |
#166 |
 
You almost had me convinced. |
endarkenment |
Apr-05-06 05:51 PM |
#180 |
 
And do you know Obama's history? |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 12:47 AM |
#194 |
 
As I said |
endarkenment |
Apr-06-06 10:29 AM |
#209 |
 
There IS a difference in the way health care is done. |
FlaGranny |
Apr-04-06 02:23 PM |
#56 |
 
Politicians "believe in" universal health care...when they're campaigning. |
leftstreet |
Apr-04-06 04:17 PM |
#129 |
 
I know what you're saying, but I think Obama is twisting... |
Iowa |
Apr-04-06 09:03 PM |
#159 |
 
In follow-up to my previous post - take a look at this article... |
Iowa |
Apr-05-06 02:44 AM |
#175 |

In one county teachers are fighting back again merit pay. Rally this week. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 01:48 PM |
#29 |
 
Read my other post and you will see why I back merit pay for teachers. . . |
brensgrrl |
Apr-05-06 01:53 AM |
#173 |

He's too smart for this country, and its electorate.... |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-04-06 01:48 PM |
#31 |
 
thats fair |
melissinha |
Apr-04-06 06:07 PM |
#150 |
  
I'm fine with it being for sale to those best able to deliver.... |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-04-06 07:04 PM |
#154 |
 
The quotes were in the article: not my quotes. I don't make things up. |
madfloridian |
Apr-05-06 06:22 PM |
#182 |
 
They are not full quotes, just a reporters spin on them |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 01:00 AM |
#196 |
 
If they have quotation marks, DU generally accepts them as quotes. |
madfloridian |
Apr-06-06 01:34 AM |
#202 |
 
I don't make DU policy, I have no doubt he said those words |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 01:53 AM |
#206 |
 
Thank you. My sentiments exactly. |
American liberal |
Apr-05-06 01:33 AM |
#168 |

What the fuck is with him? |
lonestarnot |
Apr-04-06 01:50 PM |
#32 |

With JUST that comment on SS, I agree with you, but I don't know |
napi21 |
Apr-04-06 01:56 PM |
#35 |

He is offically on my "not good Dem" list |
jsamuel |
Apr-04-06 02:00 PM |
#38 |

Obama is not DLC |
ripple |
Apr-04-06 02:09 PM |
#46 |

God forbid any of you actually read his entire policy statements |
incapsulated |
Apr-04-06 02:13 PM |
#49 |
 
Wow, someone in touch with reality |
Radical Activist |
Apr-04-06 02:29 PM |
#65 |
 
Thank you |
ripple |
Apr-04-06 02:35 PM |
#71 |
 
Those quotes are not even IN his speech |
never cry wolf |
Apr-04-06 02:40 PM |
#77 |

I have a link to the speech in my post, I think those quotes... |
incapsulated |
Apr-04-06 02:45 PM |
#79 |

I don't hate Obama, never criticized him before. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:59 PM |
#102 |
 
Disagree with what, exactly? |
incapsulated |
Apr-04-06 03:07 PM |
#106 |

Oops! Look what a little truth will do |
qanda |
Apr-04-06 04:09 PM |
#127 |

He criticized Democrats who support the safety nets. |
madfloridian |
Apr-05-06 06:23 PM |
#183 |

He criticized Democrats who are satisfied with the status quo |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 01:04 AM |
#197 |

No, he criticized them for this: |
madfloridian |
Apr-06-06 01:35 AM |
#203 |

AND |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 02:10 AM |
#208 |

That is not MY argument...that is your argument. |
madfloridian |
Apr-06-06 11:28 AM |
#212 |

That is not MY argument... that is Obama's argument. |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 11:50 AM |
#217 |

Agreed, from a Q & A afterwards |
never cry wolf |
Apr-04-06 03:03 PM |
#105 |

Do you have the Q&A quotes in context? |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 04:33 PM |
#130 |

Ask the AP |
incapsulated |
Apr-04-06 05:05 PM |
#138 |
 
He said he is "agnostic" on how we reach the goal of the safety net. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 05:14 PM |
#141 |

Do you have the quotes IN context? |
never cry wolf |
Apr-04-06 09:55 PM |
#162 |

er... do you know what "agnostic" means? |
AchtungToddler |
Apr-04-06 02:13 PM |
#51 |
 
Yes- having no opinion, i.e., having no opinion as to |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-04-06 02:24 PM |
#59 |
 
Yes. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:25 PM |
#61 |

See above. |
AchtungToddler |
Apr-04-06 04:05 PM |
#126 |

Yeahhhhh....those quotes don't make me feel good about this guy. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-04-06 02:14 PM |
#52 |

Why is he beginning to sound so corporatist? |
BrklynLiberal |
Apr-04-06 02:15 PM |
#54 |

That "social safety net" is a lifeline. Let it not be taken lightly. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:21 PM |
#55 |

I never found him at all appealing |
Ms. Clio |
Apr-04-06 02:23 PM |
#58 |

i have my questions about this guy!! n/t |
flyarm |
Apr-04-06 02:26 PM |
#62 |

There is so much bullshit in this post. |
Radical Activist |
Apr-04-06 02:27 PM |
#64 |
 
I think this approach reminds people of Bill Clinton. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-04-06 02:37 PM |
#75 |

Look at what Obama has done. |
Radical Activist |
Apr-04-06 02:43 PM |
#78 |
 
Corporatist is a strong word. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-04-06 02:50 PM |
#86 |

Here's some wishy washy inoffensive corporatist rhetoric |
never cry wolf |
Apr-04-06 02:50 PM |
#89 |
 
I didn't say he was a plant. I said he was like Bill Clinton. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-04-06 02:55 PM |
#95 |

heavens |
centristo |
Apr-04-06 02:53 PM |
#93 |

Continue to flush our country down the toilet, I guess. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-04-06 02:56 PM |
#98 |

Did any of you notice I referred mostly to senior's safety nets? |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:31 PM |
#67 |
 
Nowhere does Obama advocate destroying the safety net. |
Radical Activist |
Apr-04-06 02:35 PM |
#72 |
  
He says he is "agnostic" about it. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:58 PM |
#101 |
 
more distortion |
Radical Activist |
Apr-04-06 03:00 PM |
#104 |
 
You know what he said he was agnostic about. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-04-06 03:07 PM |
#107 |
 
I know what he said he was agnostic about |
never cry wolf |
Apr-04-06 03:29 PM |
#113 |
  
Yes! nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-04-06 03:33 PM |
#115 |
  
Yes. That's totally different than |
Radical Activist |
Apr-05-06 01:25 PM |
#177 |
 
The methods whereby we protect the safety net. |
Radical Activist |
Apr-04-06 03:29 PM |
#114 |
 
You were quite clear, and I agree with you completely. |
Shakespeare |
Apr-04-06 02:47 PM |
#84 |

Thanks so much so reading my post carefully. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:55 PM |
#97 |
 
Help me out here. |
Telly Savalas |
Apr-05-06 11:29 PM |
#187 |

Yes and Madfloridan should trust her intuition |
Generator |
Apr-04-06 03:26 PM |
#112 |
 
Correct, you do not compromise with these guys. |
madfloridian |
Apr-05-06 01:36 AM |
#169 |

He NEVER said he would compromise, he is their worst nightmare |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 12:58 AM |
#195 |

I'm there too |
indigo32 |
Apr-04-06 03:42 PM |
#119 |

That social safety net built the middle class. |
Shakespeare |
Apr-04-06 02:46 PM |
#82 |
 
Correct, and the GOP is out to demolish them. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 04:50 PM |
#134 |

i don't understand your position |
centristo |
Apr-04-06 02:52 PM |
#92 |
 
Those positions are vital to me as Democrat. |
madfloridian |
Apr-04-06 02:57 PM |
#99 |
 
They are already privatizing Medicare, look at part D. |
madfloridian |
Apr-05-06 06:25 PM |
#184 |

I'd settle for a devious politician if |
PATRICK |
Apr-04-06 02:57 PM |
#100 |
 
Excellent post |
msgadget |
Apr-04-06 04:02 PM |
#125 |
 
Now that I have read many of your posts, I am compelled to kick it up... |
American liberal |
Apr-05-06 01:47 AM |
#171 |

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm yet more disappointing words from Obama.... |
truebrit71 |
Apr-04-06 03:35 PM |
#116 |

"The DLC is setting policy, not listening to the people..." |
msgadget |
Apr-04-06 04:00 PM |
#124 |

Another Lebermann |
Ksec |
Apr-04-06 04:52 PM |
#135 |

He's confused, core values= safety net |
melissinha |
Apr-04-06 05:58 PM |
#148 |
 
the core values he cited are NOT part of the safety net |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 12:35 AM |
#193 |

It could be as simple as this...... |
KoKo01 |
Apr-04-06 07:55 PM |
#156 |

As soon as the entire punditocracy started praising Obama... |
Marr |
Apr-04-06 08:01 PM |
#157 |

Looks like another example of poor judgment |
depakid |
Apr-04-06 08:15 PM |
#158 |

Thought he was great in 2004 -- Now I can't stand the moderate fuck!!! |
LaPera |
Apr-04-06 09:06 PM |
#160 |
 
Because he says we should stand for core democratic values? |
Radical Activist |
Apr-05-06 01:29 PM |
#178 |

Selling out seniors to big business is not a core Dem value. |
madfloridian |
Apr-05-06 06:27 PM |
#185 |

i believe you are |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 01:16 AM |
#198 |
 
The reporter did the quotes, not me. |
madfloridian |
Apr-06-06 01:32 AM |
#201 |

Merit pay and social security were not quoted, anywhere! |
never cry wolf |
Apr-06-06 02:05 AM |
#207 |

If those were his words, which they were not. |
Radical Activist |
Apr-06-06 12:58 PM |
#219 |

Et tu, Barack? |
boobooday |
Apr-04-06 09:09 PM |
#161 |

Piss on him. The more I read, the more infuriated I am. There are |
roguevalley |
Apr-05-06 12:51 AM |
#164 |
 
Why don't you read the entire statement |
Radical Activist |
Apr-05-06 01:32 PM |
#179 |

you assume I didn't? As for the teachers, it will force more and more |
roguevalley |
Apr-05-06 10:45 PM |
#186 |

My analogy: Obama rides the fence as if it were a wild bull... |
stevietheman |
Apr-06-06 12:24 AM |
#191 |

what is wrong with public schools has a lot more to do funding |
alarimer |
Apr-06-06 11:06 AM |
#210 |

Universal health care |
alarimer |
Apr-06-06 11:12 AM |
#211 |

I hate it when politicians talk about education. |
Plaid Adder |
Apr-06-06 11:32 AM |
#213 |

He's promoting Lieberman, what'd you expect? |
JNelson6563 |
Apr-06-06 11:34 AM |
#216 |

The corporate democrats obviously have his ear. |
K-W |
Apr-06-06 11:53 AM |
#218 |

kick--this is what we'll get with DLC: just as screwed as by GOP |
yurbud |
Apr-06-06 04:21 PM |
#220 |