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eauclaireliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 06:12 PM
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39. Excellent question
Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 06:18 PM by eauclaireliberal
Expected replies, though.

Its very tempting to say that "yes, its a symbol of hate" But is it entirely? As one of the posters on this thread stated, its different when the Stars-n-Bars are displayed in a museum, as opposed to the back of Bubba's 4x4.

If you use the logic that because of slavery during the Civil War that the S-n-B is entirely based on a heritage of hate, then you might as well as say that today, the Stars-n-Stripes is a symbol of mass-murder, racism, rape and privilege. Combat vets will disagree with you on that.

Look at what is going on in Iraq: Do you think that the troops and their families are going to be given any compensation or help when they are down from the oil tycoons and contractors? Hell no. We all know that. Its the same with the CSA soldier: plantation owners didn't extend their prosperity to the men who fought and died for them, so the elite could keep doing business as usual.

The average soldier, young and naive, doesn't question the motives of their warmongering commanders (and the warmongers never send their children to fight). The poor always die for the elite, and the American bourgeoisie have been using a variety of talking points since the dawn of the nation to rev up the masses for their cause, however insane. Was it about slavery? Lincoln and today's left want you to think that. Is it about really about state's rights? That was a Jefferson Daivs talking point, but today, it depends on who you talk to. What's more, today's "Southern Brotherhood" Rebs talk in the context of Southern heritage, slavery a non-issue. As long as historians continue to keep ALL South erners under a legacy of defeat, the S-n-B is pretty much all they have.

As for Bubba, the ACLU and the Constitution says he can fly it regardless of his motives, reasons, or other people's distaste for it.
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  -Confederate Flag: Racism or Heritage? harpo  Mar-30-06 03:22 PM   #0 
  - A racist heritage  Marnieworld   Mar-30-06 03:23 PM   #1 
  - I suppose we must be mirror images of each other. see below  izzybeans   Mar-30-06 03:24 PM   #3 
  - both posts at the same time too ;)  harpo   Mar-30-06 03:28 PM   #5 
  - Then call me beans izzy  Marnieworld   Mar-30-06 03:29 PM   #6 
     - Good point. Those right wing patriots are confederates  izzybeans   Mar-30-06 03:34 PM   #14 
     - Well, yes  quaoar   Mar-30-06 04:46 PM   #33 
  - sorry, dupe post, self delete (nt)  rudy23   Mar-30-06 04:12 PM   #21 
  - Just what I was thinking.  FiveGoodMen   Mar-30-06 05:36 PM   #38 
  - A heritage of racism.  izzybeans   Mar-30-06 03:23 PM   #2 
  - Oh because above the Mason Dixon line, there's no heritage of racism  rudy23   Mar-30-06 04:21 PM   #26 
     - At least..  sendero   Mar-31-06 08:24 AM   #56 
     - I think we're out of popcorn.  trof   Mar-31-06 08:31 AM   # 
     - Oh because the question was about the flag  izzybeans   Mar-31-06 08:42 AM   #64 
  - heritage  mdmc   Mar-30-06 03:24 PM   #4 
  - Which flag? . . .  Journeyman   Mar-30-06 03:29 PM   #7 
  - Confederate Navy Jack...  harpo   Mar-30-06 03:33 PM   #13 
  - Neither. Sedition and treason.  MostlyLurks   Mar-30-06 03:30 PM   #8 
  - a guy I know has the flag with the slogan "the south shall rise again"  harpo   Mar-30-06 03:45 PM   #18 
  - To most northern progressives, yes  DavidMS   Mar-30-06 04:36 PM   #29 
     - See my post -- #22  rudy23   Mar-30-06 04:52 PM   #35 
     - I Disagree.  MostlyLurks   Mar-31-06 08:00 AM   #51 
        - Most people I know don't take it seriously enough to be that strong  rudy23   Mar-31-06 09:31 AM   #73 
        - I get that.  MostlyLurks   Mar-31-06 09:51 AM   #77 
        - I'll argue that the flag is not a symbol of treason  Yupster   Mar-31-06 09:37 PM   #94 
  - Racist.  Squatch   Mar-30-06 03:30 PM   #9 
  - Both and therein lies the problem...  hlthe2b   Mar-30-06 03:32 PM   #10 
  - There's a difference between racism and heritage?  alcibiades_mystery   Mar-30-06 03:32 PM   #11 
  - it's a heritage of racism that it represents  Neil Lisst   Mar-30-06 03:33 PM   #12 
  - Try one of these flags if it's really about "heritage"  IanDB1   Mar-30-06 03:40 PM   #15 
  - I like the first two...  VelmaD   Mar-30-06 04:16 PM   #23 
     - I'm visiting family in South Carolina this summer. Maybe I'll wear one  IanDB1   Mar-30-06 04:22 PM   #27 
        - I Think Alot Of Southerners Do Recognize General Sherman's Image...  The Great Escape   Mar-31-06 08:31 AM   #61 
           - Okay, I know Sherman burned Atlanta. But what's the couch burner reference  IanDB1   Mar-31-06 02:55 PM   #88 
              - West Virginia University Students Have Been Known To...  The Great Escape   Mar-31-06 09:51 PM   #99 
  - False dichotomy  slackmaster   Mar-30-06 03:42 PM   #16 
  - agreed  SheepyMcSheepster   Mar-31-06 09:05 AM   #68 
  - It's a traitor flag  wicket   Mar-30-06 03:43 PM   #17 
  - You got that right  Fluffdaddy   Mar-30-06 04:05 PM   #19 
  - Why be proud of a loss.....  avb7   Mar-30-06 04:10 PM   #20 
  - Two reasons why southerners wouldn't forget the war  Yupster   Mar-31-06 09:47 PM   #97 
  - The flag makes me very uncomfortable, BUT some southerners  rudy23   Mar-30-06 04:15 PM   #22 
  - Didn't vote  Beacho   Mar-30-06 04:19 PM   #24 
  - I did not vote because of I have two seperate replies......  Joe Fields   Mar-30-06 04:20 PM   #25 
  - It should replace the American Flag...  mikelewis   Mar-30-06 04:30 PM   #28 
  - Both  Ignacio Upton   Mar-30-06 04:37 PM   #30 
  - Neither. Just treason. n/t  IselaB   Mar-30-06 04:38 PM   #31 
  - Poll Is Missing An Option. It's Both. It's A Symbol Of A Racist Heritage.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Mar-30-06 04:43 PM   #32 
  - Gee, why can't the Democrats win in the South?  rudy23   Mar-30-06 04:48 PM   #34 
  - Well why are you defending this flag????  1620rock   Mar-30-06 05:32 PM   #37 
  - I can't defend the flag itself, it makes me ill as a symbol  rudy23   Mar-30-06 08:08 PM   #41 
     - well, the south hasn't exactly run from it  fishwax   Apr-01-06 01:06 AM   #108 
  - I remember reading some years ago  eauclaireliberal   Mar-30-06 06:41 PM   #40 
  - You got the flags mixed up...  Solon   Mar-30-06 09:01 PM   #49 
  - Interesting - I'm trying to find info on this via Google, but no luck so  kath   Mar-31-06 10:20 PM   #105 
  - I do have doubts about the accuracy of that.  Nailzberg   Mar-31-06 10:58 PM   #106 
  - Eleanor Roosevelt had it right:  wicket   Mar-31-06 08:34 AM   #63 
  - The South used to be solidly Democratic  XemaSab   Mar-31-06 03:04 PM   #89 
  - It is both. A symbol of hate and of the heritage of hate  lastknowngood   Mar-30-06 05:20 PM   #36 
  - Excellent question  eauclaireliberal   Mar-30-06 06:12 PM   #39 
  - To those that said "racist heritage", I'd love to hear all about your  rudy23   Mar-30-06 08:13 PM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-30-06 09:00 PM   #48 
  - You try being prejudged all the time  rudy23   Mar-31-06 08:11 AM   #52 
     - This thread is about a flag, not all southerners  K-W   Mar-31-06 08:22 AM   #55 
     - When someone says I have a racist heritage, it is about Southerners  rudy23   Mar-31-06 09:24 AM   #69 
        - No, the thread is about the flag, not you or all Southerners.  K-W   Mar-31-06 09:38 AM   #75 
        - Do you have a Battle Flag decal on your pickup truck?  Bridget Burke   Mar-31-06 10:13 AM   #83 
     - poor soul. prejudged because you advocate a symbol of prejudice.  SlavesandBulldozers   Mar-31-06 09:36 AM   #74 
  - From reading all of your responses, you seem to feel that all southerners  itzamirakul   Mar-31-06 10:10 AM   #81 
  - I was born and raised in the south  Pastiche423   Mar-31-06 09:52 PM   #101 
  - What did the Confederates do that anyone should be proud of?  951-Riverside   Mar-30-06 08:18 PM   #43 
  - Technically, slavery still exists in the 21st Century in the US -  lynne   Mar-30-06 08:56 PM   #46 
  - And the Amendments only apply to those states that ratify them?  mondo joe   Mar-31-06 08:25 AM   #58 
  - Under Britsh rule?  Yupster   Mar-31-06 09:52 PM   #100 
  - both  Blue_Tires   Mar-30-06 08:46 PM   #44 
  - False dichotomy  ZombyWoof   Mar-30-06 08:56 PM   #45 
  - Depends on the context on which it is flown...  Endangered Specie   Mar-30-06 08:58 PM   #47 
  - How many times do we have to beat this dead horse?  LiviaOlivia   Mar-30-06 09:03 PM   #50 
  - i support the right of southern sympathizers  jukes   Mar-31-06 08:21 AM   #53 
  - .  mmonk   Mar-31-06 08:22 AM   #54 
  - Third Choice: A Piece Of Cloth  ProfessorGAC   Mar-31-06 08:24 AM   #57 
  - There you go trying to be hyper-rational  slackmaster   Mar-31-06 09:27 AM   #71 
     - Symbolism Is For The Easily Convinced  ProfessorGAC   Mar-31-06 09:29 AM   #72 
  - Aw jeez, not this shit again.  QC   Mar-31-06 08:27 AM   #59 
  - Must be a slow news day.  trof   Mar-31-06 09:51 AM   #78 
  - no matter what  flblu2   Mar-31-06 08:30 AM   #60 
  - This old thing again?  Taxloss   Mar-31-06 08:31 AM   #62 
  - Circumcision in the Confederacy  Yupster   Mar-31-06 09:54 PM   #102 
  - It was the battle flag of a rouge terrorist organization.  dogfacedboy   Mar-31-06 08:51 AM   #65 
  - A "rouge" terrorist organization???  slackmaster   Mar-31-06 09:26 AM   #70 
     - Sorry. I guess my mis-spelling prevented  dogfacedboy   Mar-31-06 07:53 PM   #92 
  - My thoughts:  Rockholm   Mar-31-06 08:51 AM   #66 
  - "Dixie" was adopted by the Confederacy....  Bridget Burke   Mar-31-06 10:31 AM   #84 
  - The confederate flag  mmonk   Mar-31-06 09:00 AM   #67 
  - Let's not get too high on our moral horses here...  tjwash   Mar-31-06 09:49 AM   #76 
     - The rifts began in Congress over new entries  mmonk   Apr-01-06 05:20 AM   #110 
  - Depends on the person. nt  MJDuncan1982   Mar-31-06 09:54 AM   #79 
  - Groan.  Clark2008   Mar-31-06 09:57 AM   #80 
  - You'd be amazed how much people hate being assumed to be backwards racists  rudy23   Mar-31-06 10:11 AM   #82 
  - Ditto. nt  MJDuncan1982   Mar-31-06 10:32 AM   #85 
  - Cragg Hines is a Houston Chronicle columnist.  Bridget Burke   Mar-31-06 10:45 AM   #86 
  - On Reconstruction  Yupster   Mar-31-06 09:59 PM   #103 
  - Racism- Saw an awful bumper sticker today-  Callous Taoboys   Mar-31-06 10:48 AM   #87 
  - I say racism, but SO says heritage.  ceile   Mar-31-06 03:08 PM   #90 
  - i just never understood what there was to be proud of.  lies and propaganda   Mar-31-06 03:13 PM   #91 
  - I personally think it's racist  bigwillq   Mar-31-06 07:54 PM   #93 
  - Historical. n/t  RoyGBiv   Mar-31-06 09:44 PM   #95 
  - Green.  frustrated_lefty   Mar-31-06 09:46 PM   #96 
  - Do those who claim "heritage" know other confed flags  auburnblu   Mar-31-06 09:49 PM   #98 
  - I don't get that?  Yupster   Mar-31-06 10:03 PM   #104 
  - Most of them ...  RoyGBiv   Apr-01-06 01:37 AM   #109 
  - Those Who Support The Flag Must Support The Constitution It Defended  wellst0nev0ter   Apr-01-06 12:16 AM   #107 
  - chalk one up for racism  sweetheart   Apr-01-06 05:32 AM   #111 

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