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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 12:36 PM
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63. this is just free market cant
we can't argue on the chevy/tahoe thread that we have limited resources and we are running out...and then hop over to the immigration thread and argue that we have magically unlimited resources because through the magic of markets and open borders that jeebus will fix it and there will never be a problem so we shouldn't set limits

guess what, guys, rain doesn't follow the plow and jobs/resources don't follow the poor immigrant

more than a little hypocrisy here

flyover country, that is just rude, i'm probably going to be grumbling abt that for days, pretty damn easy for ben and co. to bargain away somebody else's home
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  -DEBATE: I argue for open borders. benburch  Mar-30-06 08:17 AM   #0 
  - i don't believe in it in all cases -- just with mexico.  xchrom   Mar-30-06 08:30 AM   #1 
  - couple thoughts  Jim4Wes   Mar-30-06 08:44 AM   #2 
  - It is a security risk that is made of pure fear with no truth in it.  benburch   Mar-30-06 08:48 AM   #4 
     - Still disagree.  Jim4Wes   Mar-30-06 09:01 AM   #8 
        - If border security were 5% better, would we be 5% safer? nt  benburch   Mar-30-06 09:06 AM   #11 
        - Thats a very low goal don't you think n/t  Jim4Wes   Mar-30-06 09:09 AM   #12 
           - I'm just wondering when the benefit appears?  benburch   Mar-30-06 09:15 AM   #16 
              - A better analogy might be  Jim4Wes   Mar-30-06 09:23 AM   #19 
                 - So, knowing this, they send two.  benburch   Mar-30-06 09:31 AM   #21 
                    - I don't see where open borders  Jim4Wes   Mar-30-06 09:37 AM   #22 
                       - Indeed, part of the assumption  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:24 AM   #31 
  - I agree --  Katherine Brengle   Mar-30-06 08:47 AM   #3 
  - Let's see.............  PsN2Wind   Mar-30-06 08:48 AM   #5 
  - Jobs are not a zero sum game.  benburch   Mar-30-06 08:51 AM   #6 
  - If we had your "open borders"?  PsN2Wind   Mar-30-06 09:06 AM   #10 
  - The jobs would come from increased demands for goods and services.  benburch   Mar-30-06 09:11 AM   #14 
     - Sure wish those jobs were available when I was younger  PsN2Wind   Mar-30-06 09:19 AM   #17 
     - I wonder why Mexico isn't rich, then? Not enough immigration?  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:43 AM   #45 
        - Mexico is a very wealthy country  Horse with no Name   Mar-30-06 12:23 PM   #61 
           - If you had no money, you could NOT get into Canada.  Bridget Burke   Mar-30-06 01:19 PM   #65 
              - That is true  Horse with no Name   Mar-30-06 01:22 PM   #66 
  - Minimum wage isn't a living wage.  Cobalt Violet   Mar-30-06 11:28 AM   #36 
     - One battle at a time!  benburch   Mar-30-06 02:31 PM   #71 
  - they don't want blacks to have ANY jobs. ever. period.  pitohui   Mar-30-06 12:22 PM   #60 
  - agree  sweetheart   Mar-30-06 08:53 AM   #7 
  - There will be no borders eventually  Radio_Guy   Mar-30-06 09:05 AM   #9 
  - Here is a suggested reading for you.  lonestarnot   Mar-30-06 09:10 AM   #13 
  - I would agree that we need to open our borders  proud2Blib   Mar-30-06 09:13 AM   #15 
  - Absolutely.  benburch   Mar-30-06 09:22 AM   #18 
  - I doubt it but maybe reading another view will help people..............  Minnesota Libra   Mar-30-06 09:31 AM   #20 
  - Nobody says whether open borders are good for current Americans.  Inland   Mar-30-06 09:42 AM   #23 
  - Like I said.  benburch   Mar-30-06 10:02 AM   #24 
  - The past isn't applicable.  Inland   Mar-30-06 10:10 AM   #25 
  - Careful Inland  PsN2Wind   Mar-30-06 11:42 AM   #44 
  - That's okay, the monster will out soon enough.  Inland   Mar-30-06 06:57 PM   #72 
     - It's a monster for sure  PsN2Wind   Mar-30-06 07:50 PM   #74 
  - nice post inland  pitohui   Mar-30-06 12:27 PM   #62 
  - Sorry, not getting it. Is this a parody thread? "Open borders"  UTUSN   Mar-30-06 11:09 AM   #26 
  - It's on the screen and it isn't.  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:12 AM   #27 
  - Well, it SHOULD be on the radar screen.  benburch   Mar-30-06 11:22 AM   #30 
  - feel free to point out the flaws of this argument  LSK   Mar-30-06 11:25 AM   #33 
     - Which is really the only motivation to make the argument.  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:29 AM   #37 
     - I thought I was seriously proposing it.  benburch   Mar-30-06 12:06 PM   #51 
        - I'm saying it's easy.  Inland   Mar-30-06 12:08 PM   #53 
           - I believe it is not impossible at all.  benburch   Mar-30-06 12:13 PM   #56 
     - "flaws/argument" - It's more the entire CONCEPT.  UTUSN   Mar-30-06 02:06 PM   #68 
        - Nice way to belittle an argument you don't like.  benburch   Mar-30-06 07:42 PM   #73 
           - I tried to be very polite to and respectful of you and believe that I gave  UTUSN   Mar-30-06 09:41 PM   #75 
              - Fair enough...  benburch   Mar-30-06 10:09 PM   #76 
                 - As the medieval debaters realized, there is a point where we must just  UTUSN   Mar-30-06 10:16 PM   #77 
                    - Actually...  benburch   Mar-30-06 10:35 PM   #79 
  - I suggest an experiment.  mondo joe   Mar-30-06 11:16 AM   #28 
  - But part of the experiment is also whether they ever leave.  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:21 AM   #29 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-30-06 11:25 AM   #34 
     - Shame on you.  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:35 AM   #40 
     - Sorry, really did read it that way.  benburch   Mar-30-06 12:02 PM   #49 
        - Hey, how much work are you and I getting done this A.M.? nt  Inland   Mar-30-06 12:07 PM   #52 
           - Don't know about you...  benburch   Mar-30-06 12:09 PM   #54 
              - Well, then, half of us are unproductive time wasters. nt  Inland   Mar-30-06 12:10 PM   #55 
                 - I'm about to go waste time at lunch...  benburch   Mar-30-06 12:14 PM   #57 
     - I have never in my life said or believed that immigrants are  mondo joe   Mar-30-06 11:39 AM   #41 
        - My apologies, as I did read it that way.  benburch   Mar-30-06 12:03 PM   #50 
           - Apology accepted. Thanks.  mondo joe   Mar-30-06 02:14 PM   #69 
  - i agree n/t  LSK   Mar-30-06 11:24 AM   #32 
  - I agree completely  Jose Diablo   Mar-30-06 11:26 AM   #35 
  - We steal their land, divert their water, and then some people wonder...  NNN0LHI   Mar-30-06 11:30 AM   # 
  - I think that would drive down the money americans get paid...  harpo   Mar-30-06 11:30 AM   #38 
  - I agree. Like it or not, our economy needs them.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-30-06 11:35 AM   #39 
  - ALL of them, being all the people who want to come?  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:41 AM   #43 
     - As I said, I believe in open borders.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-30-06 11:45 AM   #46 
        - But not because the US economy will benefit.  Inland   Mar-30-06 11:59 AM   #48 
        - this is just free market cant  pitohui   Mar-30-06 12:36 PM   #63 
  - There should be a "North American Union"  Blue_In_AK   Mar-30-06 11:40 AM   #42 
  - I'm with Thom Hartmann on this one...  rucky   Mar-30-06 11:55 AM   #47 
  - what's to discuss if you have no concept of reality?  pitohui   Mar-30-06 12:18 PM   #58 
  - Borders are necessary for Organization. Totally Open Borders  cryingshame   Mar-30-06 12:18 PM   #59 
  - I think it would strengthen the body politic greatly.  benburch   Mar-30-06 02:29 PM   #70 
  - Open borders is the only thing that will save this country...  Xenotime   Mar-30-06 01:15 PM   #64 
  - Let the Unions guard the borders....  Bridget Burke   Mar-30-06 01:24 PM   #67 
  - BkMrked. nt  babylonsister   Mar-30-06 10:21 PM   #78 
  - They come because it's better here.  Gregorian   Mar-30-06 10:41 PM   #80 
  - were all humans  mdmc   Mar-30-06 10:47 PM   #81 

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