Mandate My Ass
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Tue Mar-28-06 01:22 PM
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President can block final review for all time. If you defer to this system and give pres ability to try 75 people you will be countenancing a huge expansion in presidential war powers!!
Right on!
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| -Strongly suggest you all listen to Hamdan case. |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 11:48 AM |
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I can't but |
stop the bleeding |
Mar-28-06 11:49 AM |
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AUDIO on CanOFun |
liveoaktx |
Mar-28-06 02:41 PM |
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How about when it starts you begin an official thread? |
liveoaktx |
Mar-28-06 11:51 AM |
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Background (BBC) |
Jack Rabbit |
Mar-28-06 11:54 AM |
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Ok, this will be the official thread then |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 11:58 AM |
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I need to go eat something for a while so please go on w/out me |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 12:01 PM |
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I'm listening |
Solly Mack |
Mar-28-06 12:39 PM |
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I'm back! This is fascinating. |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 12:44 PM |
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He is sounding desperate |
Norquist Nemesis |
Mar-28-06 12:46 PM |
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Oh, my! Breyer just...just |
Norquist Nemesis |
Mar-28-06 12:49 PM |
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Hah! There are members of SCOTUS that are trying to subvert the |
BrklynLiberal |
Mar-28-06 12:53 PM |
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LOL!!! |
KansDem |
Mar-28-06 01:09 PM |
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Guvvie lawyer can't get a word in edgewise. |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 12:53 PM |
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The sticking point: how do you answer charges that it's unconstitutional? |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 12:55 PM |
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"exigecies [sic] of 9-11" = Lawyerspeak for "9-11! 9-11! BOOO!" |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 12:57 PM |
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"Are you suggesting congress can suspend habeas... inadvertently!?" |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 12:58 PM |
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Justices "sound" as if his arguments are nothing short of |
Norquist Nemesis |
Mar-28-06 01:02 PM |
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LOL! Rummy's lawyer is getting hammered! |
Norquist Nemesis |
Mar-28-06 12:59 PM |
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Congress should take note. This is what oversight looks like. |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:00 PM |
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Souter's got him on the ropes |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-28-06 01:01 PM |
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If I am reading this correctly, Souter is undermining the basis for saying |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:03 PM |
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Thanks for this thread, Witch |
Nikki Stone1 |
Mar-28-06 01:04 PM |
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Can't stream it either? Boo hoo for you. |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:06 PM |
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I'm on dialup and a slow connection at that. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Mar-28-06 01:17 PM |
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extraordinary that congress did this weeks after we got case |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-28-06 01:04 PM |
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That was great! It really was |
Solly Mack |
Mar-28-06 01:05 PM |
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we need more of her |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-28-06 01:07 PM |
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Events of 9-11... |
fooj |
Mar-28-06 01:07 PM |
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hahah! I think this guy just argued that US is guilty of war crimes |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:07 PM |
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The likes of Scalia and Alito would probably say that is pre-911 |
SCDem |
Mar-28-06 01:11 PM |
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And I would respond with a certain sicilian gesture. :grin: |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:13 PM |
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Now he's quoting a case that said Geneva is unenforceable. |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:12 PM |
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Just coming in ... is that the govt lawyer arguing this? |
liveoaktx |
Mar-28-06 01:13 PM |
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Yes, it is. |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:14 PM |
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Ah! I hear him saying that the Executive can trump Geneva |
liveoaktx |
Mar-28-06 01:15 PM |
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Ha, and one of the justices relied about something about |
Jose Diablo |
Mar-28-06 01:18 PM |
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Yes, and why's the PRez running around making law? |
liveoaktx |
Mar-28-06 01:19 PM |
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Geneva conventions don't apply... |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-28-06 01:16 PM |
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Explain to me-why does it matter if conspiracy is a charge? |
liveoaktx |
Mar-28-06 01:17 PM |
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Conspiracy is not a valid war crime because anyone could be charged |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:17 PM |
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Because conspiracy can cover anything Bush claims it is |
Solly Mack |
Mar-28-06 01:22 PM |
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So, Hamdan was then accused of the vague charge "conspiracy" |
liveoaktx |
Mar-28-06 01:24 PM |
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Yes - he's being charged under the laws of land warfare w/o benefit |
Solly Mack |
Mar-28-06 01:33 PM |
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Note - Not just a Bush argument but has been previously established |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:25 PM |
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Precisely. A very important fact in this case |
Solly Mack |
Mar-28-06 01:34 PM |
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Hamdan is not protected by Geneva conventions |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-28-06 01:19 PM |
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Among other things, this guy can't pronounce Yamashita. My head hurts. |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:19 PM |
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You and me, both. |
fooj |
Mar-28-06 01:48 PM |
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Historical role of the SCOTUS to test military tribunals |
liveoaktx |
Mar-28-06 01:20 PM |
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Hamdan attorney back up. |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:20 PM |
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Hamdan atty |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-28-06 01:22 PM |
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This is an AD HOC trial with AD HOC rules. |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:23 PM |
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Oral arguments are over. |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 01:24 PM |
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Thank you again for posting |
Nikki Stone1 |
Mar-28-06 01:29 PM |
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So it looks as if Hamdan has a strong case |
SCDem |
Mar-28-06 01:24 PM |
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I read there's a strong possibility |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-28-06 01:27 PM |
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Has this happened in the past? |
SCDem |
Mar-28-06 01:32 PM |
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this is an ad hoc procedure |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-28-06 01:25 PM |
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Thank you-that's it in a nutshell |
liveoaktx |
Mar-28-06 01:27 PM |
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Hamdan's lawyer was good, not whiny like Rummy's |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-28-06 01:30 PM |
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Thomas Paine quote: |
rpgamerd00d |
Mar-28-06 01:30 PM |
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To summarize what I heard thru all this |
Jose Diablo |
Mar-28-06 01:33 PM |
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This got me pissed of this morning. |
Odin2005 |
Mar-28-06 01:46 PM |
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For what is worth |
Bjarne Riis |
Mar-28-06 02:11 PM |
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What happens if the ruling is 4 - 4 |
SCDem |
Mar-28-06 02:15 PM |
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If the ruling is 4-4 |
Bjarne Riis |
Mar-28-06 02:16 PM |
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From listening to the arguments today.... |
SCDem |
Mar-28-06 02:32 PM |
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Sounded like Scalia and Alito leans |
Bjarne Riis |
Mar-28-06 02:49 PM |
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Thanks for your response.... |
SCDem |
Mar-28-06 02:57 PM |
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Thank you for that explanation |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-28-06 02:24 PM |
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What I think the Bush lawyer did well |
Bjarne Riis |
Mar-28-06 02:38 PM |
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deflection, they excel at that |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-28-06 02:59 PM |
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Not sure |
Bjarne Riis |
Mar-28-06 03:09 PM |
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Thank you so much for your insight! |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 03:24 PM |
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I did! Scalia didn't sound too happy toward the end. |
0007 |
Mar-28-06 03:07 PM |
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good article here |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-28-06 03:46 PM |
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we reprinted this in my paper -- i was very pleased with it. |
The Witch |
Mar-28-06 08:17 PM |
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anybody heard the latest on this? are they still doing orals? |
Gabi Hayes |
Mar-29-06 11:52 AM |
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