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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 01:20 PM
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42. Historical role of the SCOTUS to test military tribunals
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  -Strongly suggest you all listen to Hamdan case. The Witch  Mar-28-06 11:48 AM   #0 
  - I can't but  stop the bleeding   Mar-28-06 11:49 AM   #1 
  - AUDIO on CanOFun  liveoaktx   Mar-28-06 02:41 PM   #69 
  - How about when it starts you begin an official thread?  liveoaktx   Mar-28-06 11:51 AM   #2 
  - Background (BBC)  Jack Rabbit   Mar-28-06 11:54 AM   #3 
  - Ok, this will be the official thread then  The Witch   Mar-28-06 11:58 AM   #4 
  - I need to go eat something for a while so please go on w/out me  The Witch   Mar-28-06 12:01 PM   #5 
  - I'm listening  Solly Mack   Mar-28-06 12:39 PM   #6 
  - I'm back! This is fascinating.  The Witch   Mar-28-06 12:44 PM   #7 
  - He is sounding desperate  Norquist Nemesis   Mar-28-06 12:46 PM   #8 
     - Oh, my! Breyer just...just  Norquist Nemesis   Mar-28-06 12:49 PM   #9 
        - Hah! There are members of SCOTUS that are trying to subvert the  BrklynLiberal   Mar-28-06 12:53 PM   #10 
           - LOL!!!  KansDem   Mar-28-06 01:09 PM   #27 
  - Guvvie lawyer can't get a word in edgewise.  The Witch   Mar-28-06 12:53 PM   #11 
  - The sticking point: how do you answer charges that it's unconstitutional?  The Witch   Mar-28-06 12:55 PM   #12 
  - "exigecies [sic] of 9-11" = Lawyerspeak for "9-11! 9-11! BOOO!"  The Witch   Mar-28-06 12:57 PM   #13 
  - "Are you suggesting congress can suspend habeas... inadvertently!?"  The Witch   Mar-28-06 12:58 PM   #14 
  - Justices "sound" as if his arguments are nothing short of  Norquist Nemesis   Mar-28-06 01:02 PM   #18 
  - LOL! Rummy's lawyer is getting hammered!  Norquist Nemesis   Mar-28-06 12:59 PM   #15 
  - Congress should take note. This is what oversight looks like.  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:00 PM   #16 
  - Souter's got him on the ropes  Mandate My Ass   Mar-28-06 01:01 PM   #17 
  - If I am reading this correctly, Souter is undermining the basis for saying  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:03 PM   #19 
     - Thanks for this thread, Witch  Nikki Stone1   Mar-28-06 01:04 PM   #21 
        - Can't stream it either? Boo hoo for you.  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:06 PM   #23 
           - I'm on dialup and a slow connection at that.  Nikki Stone1   Mar-28-06 01:17 PM   #36 
  - extraordinary that congress did this weeks after we got case  Mandate My Ass   Mar-28-06 01:04 PM   #20 
  - That was great! It really was  Solly Mack   Mar-28-06 01:05 PM   #22 
     - we need more of her  Mandate My Ass   Mar-28-06 01:07 PM   #26 
  - Events of 9-11...  fooj   Mar-28-06 01:07 PM   #24 
  - hahah! I think this guy just argued that US is guilty of war crimes  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:07 PM   #25 
  - The likes of Scalia and Alito would probably say that is pre-911  SCDem   Mar-28-06 01:11 PM   #28 
     - And I would respond with a certain sicilian gesture. :grin:  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:13 PM   #30 
  - Now he's quoting a case that said Geneva is unenforceable.  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:12 PM   #29 
  - Just coming in ... is that the govt lawyer arguing this?  liveoaktx   Mar-28-06 01:13 PM   #31 
     - Yes, it is.  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:14 PM   #32 
        - Ah! I hear him saying that the Executive can trump Geneva  liveoaktx   Mar-28-06 01:15 PM   #33 
           - Ha, and one of the justices relied about something about  Jose Diablo   Mar-28-06 01:18 PM   #38 
              - Yes, and why's the PRez running around making law?  liveoaktx   Mar-28-06 01:19 PM   #39 
  - Geneva conventions don't apply...  Mandate My Ass   Mar-28-06 01:16 PM   #34 
  - Explain to me-why does it matter if conspiracy is a charge?  liveoaktx   Mar-28-06 01:17 PM   #35 
  - Conspiracy is not a valid war crime because anyone could be charged  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:17 PM   #37 
  - Because conspiracy can cover anything Bush claims it is  Solly Mack   Mar-28-06 01:22 PM   #45 
     - So, Hamdan was then accused of the vague charge "conspiracy"  liveoaktx   Mar-28-06 01:24 PM   #48 
     - Yes - he's being charged under the laws of land warfare w/o benefit  Solly Mack   Mar-28-06 01:33 PM   #59 
     - Note - Not just a Bush argument but has been previously established  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:25 PM   #51 
        - Precisely. A very important fact in this case  Solly Mack   Mar-28-06 01:34 PM   #60 
  - Hamdan is not protected by Geneva conventions  Mandate My Ass   Mar-28-06 01:19 PM   #40 
  - Among other things, this guy can't pronounce Yamashita. My head hurts.  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:19 PM   #41 
  - You and me, both.  fooj   Mar-28-06 01:48 PM   #62 
  - Historical role of the SCOTUS to test military tribunals  liveoaktx   Mar-28-06 01:20 PM   #42 
  - Hamdan attorney back up.  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:20 PM   #43 
  - Hamdan atty  Mandate My Ass   Mar-28-06 01:22 PM   #44 
  - This is an AD HOC trial with AD HOC rules.  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:23 PM   #46 
     - Oral arguments are over.  The Witch   Mar-28-06 01:24 PM   #49 
        - Thank you again for posting  Nikki Stone1   Mar-28-06 01:29 PM   #54 
  - So it looks as if Hamdan has a strong case  SCDem   Mar-28-06 01:24 PM   #47 
  - I read there's a strong possibility  Mandate My Ass   Mar-28-06 01:27 PM   #53 
     - Has this happened in the past?  SCDem   Mar-28-06 01:32 PM   #57 
  - this is an ad hoc procedure  Mandate My Ass   Mar-28-06 01:25 PM   #50 
  - Thank you-that's it in a nutshell  liveoaktx   Mar-28-06 01:27 PM   #52 
     - Hamdan's lawyer was good, not whiny like Rummy's  Mandate My Ass   Mar-28-06 01:30 PM   #55 
  - Thomas Paine quote:  rpgamerd00d   Mar-28-06 01:30 PM   #56 
  - To summarize what I heard thru all this  Jose Diablo   Mar-28-06 01:33 PM   #58 
  - This got me pissed of this morning.  Odin2005   Mar-28-06 01:46 PM   #61 
  - For what is worth  Bjarne Riis   Mar-28-06 02:11 PM   #63 
  - What happens if the ruling is 4 - 4  SCDem   Mar-28-06 02:15 PM   #64 
  - If the ruling is 4-4  Bjarne Riis   Mar-28-06 02:16 PM   #65 
     - From listening to the arguments today....  SCDem   Mar-28-06 02:32 PM   #67 
        - Sounded like Scalia and Alito leans  Bjarne Riis   Mar-28-06 02:49 PM   #70 
           - Thanks for your response....  SCDem   Mar-28-06 02:57 PM   #71 
  - Thank you for that explanation  Mandate My Ass   Mar-28-06 02:24 PM   #66 
  - What I think the Bush lawyer did well  Bjarne Riis   Mar-28-06 02:38 PM   #68 
     - deflection, they excel at that  Mandate My Ass   Mar-28-06 02:59 PM   #72 
        - Not sure  Bjarne Riis   Mar-28-06 03:09 PM   #74 
  - Thank you so much for your insight!  The Witch   Mar-28-06 03:24 PM   #75 
  - I did! Scalia didn't sound too happy toward the end.  0007   Mar-28-06 03:07 PM   #73 
  - good article here  Mandate My Ass   Mar-28-06 03:46 PM   #76 
  - we reprinted this in my paper -- i was very pleased with it.  The Witch   Mar-28-06 08:17 PM   #77 
  - anybody heard the latest on this? are they still doing orals?  Gabi Hayes   Mar-29-06 11:52 AM   #78 
 

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