| 183. Not just the corporate elite, though. Every upper middle-class |
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homeowner in Los Angeles gets cheap gardener, car washer, nanny, etc (pick your menial job) and cheap fruits and vegetables, thanks to undocumented workers.
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| -Maybe it's time for Americans who oppose illegal immigration ... |
RagingInMiami |
Mar-28-06 10:42 AM |
#0 |
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Not in the Streets ... |
earthside |
Mar-28-06 10:49 AM |
#1 |
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both parties are split on this issue n/t |
bluedog |
Mar-28-06 10:51 AM |
#3 |
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Where were these people during the anti-war protests? n/t |
cantstandbush |
Mar-28-06 03:54 PM |
#129 |
| -
Which Democrats are advocating "essentially free, open borders"? |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-28-06 10:54 AM |
#5 |
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I'm speaking about individual voters.. |
bluedog |
Mar-28-06 10:57 AM |
#9 |
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All of them ... |
earthside |
Mar-28-06 12:05 PM |
#28 |
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But KKKarl's in a bind |
Marie26 |
Mar-28-06 01:21 PM |
#36 |
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Of course he can. |
earthside |
Mar-28-06 02:27 PM |
#83 |
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you scare too easy |
FredScuttle |
Mar-28-06 02:42 PM |
#92 |
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I only get scared ... |
earthside |
Mar-28-06 04:16 PM |
#133 |
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On this issue the dems should sit back and let them implode |
RagingInMiami |
Mar-29-06 03:48 AM |
#165 |
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Umm hasn't that been the democratic strategy for 5 years now? |
Beelzebud |
Mar-29-06 10:42 AM |
#178 |
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Well if they do it over the immigration issue, it will divide the party |
RagingInMiami |
Mar-29-06 11:05 AM |
#180 |
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No, the radical right--the paleo-cons, are for tightened restrictions |
mycritters2 |
Mar-28-06 04:29 PM |
#141 |
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It's impossible to defend a negative |
radio4progressives |
Mar-28-06 02:42 PM |
#93 |
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Protesting at the ballot box? |
RagingInMiami |
Mar-28-06 10:55 AM |
#7 |
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a growing percentage of illegals are my clients. |
antifaschits |
Mar-28-06 10:51 AM |
#2 |
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Care to back up your opinion with facts? |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 10:59 AM |
#10 |
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that's pretty insulting and ignorant of you. |
antifaschits |
Mar-28-06 01:24 PM |
#38 |
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You haven't explained |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 01:50 PM |
#48 |
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I don't think it is worth my time, not with your mind so made up. |
antifaschits |
Mar-28-06 01:52 PM |
#52 |
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There, finally... |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 01:57 PM |
#60 |
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through human resources of any company they work for |
radio4progressives |
Mar-28-06 03:05 PM |
#107 |
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no, I'll wait |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 04:21 PM |
#136 |
| -
I agree with you Thinkingwoman. |
Rockholm |
Mar-28-06 03:46 PM |
#127 |
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The SSA does not issue SSN to anyone |
NYCparalegal |
Mar-28-06 01:52 PM |
#51 |
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thank you for posting this |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 01:59 PM |
#61 |
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Excellent Response, and I share your Frustration.. |
radio4progressives |
Mar-28-06 02:58 PM |
#100 |
| -
so breaking the law is ok? |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 04:34 PM |
#144 |
| -
talk about a disconnect.. |
radio4progressives |
Mar-28-06 05:00 PM |
#151 |
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It's also about the FISA |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 05:44 PM |
#158 |
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Look, have you any sense of humanity in your soul? Or is it all gone? |
antifaschits |
Mar-28-06 05:02 PM |
#152 |
| -
ahh, more namecalling |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 05:43 PM |
#157 |
| -
Thank you for some friggin sanity. God, I'm so sick of |
coalition_unwilling |
Mar-28-06 03:07 PM |
#109 |
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the corporate elite |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 04:34 PM |
#143 |
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Not just the corporate elite, though. Every upper middle-class |
coalition_unwilling |
Mar-29-06 12:37 PM |
#183 |
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upper middle class |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-29-06 12:59 PM |
#185 |
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Sorry for the jargon. I do think it is possible to distinguish |
coalition_unwilling |
Mar-29-06 01:02 PM |
#187 |
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no apology needed |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-29-06 01:28 PM |
#190 |
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Plenty of "fakers" here in L.A., also. They're also referred to |
coalition_unwilling |
Mar-29-06 01:50 PM |
#194 |
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LOL nt |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-29-06 03:54 PM |
#195 |
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Well, I don't know about your other details, but to transfer my |
mycritters2 |
Mar-28-06 04:35 PM |
#145 |
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Those in Illinois who already have a license have no problem. |
antifaschits |
Mar-28-06 04:37 PM |
#147 |
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Not if you're getting a license for the first time, or transferring from |
mycritters2 |
Mar-28-06 04:41 PM |
#148 |
| -
true. The largest block of people who cannot travel easily between states |
antifaschits |
Mar-28-06 04:44 PM |
#149 |
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They do indeed pay taxes... in fact they pay disproportionately |
TygrBright |
Mar-28-06 01:50 PM |
#47 |
| -
As a former business owner |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 01:55 PM |
#55 |
| -
They make them up, of course. Or use "unknown." |
TygrBright |
Mar-28-06 03:40 PM |
#123 |
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I appreciate your post |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 04:19 PM |
#134 |
| -
dingdingding!! We have a winner!!! |
TygrBright |
Mar-28-06 06:18 PM |
#160 |
| -
"...the dewy veil of Emma Lazarus..." |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 06:43 PM |
#161 |
| -
Totally in the dark here- is this true? |
underpants |
Mar-28-06 03:00 PM |
#102 |
| -
Income Tax is not the only taxation. |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-29-06 07:13 AM |
#168 |
| -
I think income (and FICA taxes)... |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-29-06 09:04 AM |
#173 |
| -
Right!!!!!! |
Joanne98 |
Mar-28-06 03:02 PM |
#105 |
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I'm all for having our voices heard on the illegal immigration issue |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 10:52 AM |
#4 |
| -
many of us are tired.......laws were made |
bluedog |
Mar-28-06 10:55 AM |
#8 |
| -
Thanks... |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 11:03 AM |
#12 |
| -
Most immigration in the olden days was legal |
kurth |
Mar-28-06 11:04 AM |
#13 |
| -
Thank you for reiterating this |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 11:07 AM |
#18 |
| -
Well said. The only reason the 'illegal immigrants' benefit ... |
TahitiNut |
Mar-28-06 11:06 AM |
#17 |
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Thanks for the link! |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 11:08 AM |
# |
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Nope. They would rather sit in front of their PC's... |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-28-06 10:54 AM |
#6 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-28-06 11:02 AM |
#11 |
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That's so ridiculous |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 11:05 AM |
#14 |
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Yes, I can see the difference. In Nazi Germany Jews were |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 11:08 AM |
#19 |
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As a Jew myself, I find that really offensive |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 11:12 AM |
#23 |
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As a Jew you should be offended that this is happening here. |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 11:17 AM |
#26 |
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I can think for myself thank you. |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 01:07 PM |
#33 |
| -
So by your reasoning, you are a criminal when you run a |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 01:22 PM |
#37 |
| -
Uh, yeah, actually... |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 01:56 PM |
#58 |
| -
Me neither and I'm sixty six. |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:00 PM |
#63 |
| -
I never said I was perfect |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 02:24 PM |
#80 |
| -
Actually, the original Sensenbrenner Immigration bill... |
countryjake |
Mar-28-06 04:14 PM |
#132 |
| -
I'm always concerned |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 05:46 PM |
#159 |
| -
Have you forgotten Jose Padilla and John Walker Lindh? (n/t) |
coalition_unwilling |
Mar-28-06 03:11 PM |
#112 |
| -
No, have you forgotten the topic at hand? |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 04:20 PM |
#135 |
| -
Hmm, I thought I was responding to the "Nazi's rounding up Jews" |
coalition_unwilling |
Mar-29-06 12:40 PM |
#184 |
| -
that's a stretch |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-29-06 01:02 PM |
#186 |
| -
Yes, right now it's a question of degree, I'd agree. |
coalition_unwilling |
Mar-29-06 01:09 PM |
#188 |
| -
but this is not the topic at hand |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-29-06 01:30 PM |
#191 |
| -
But it is relevant to an earlier post about "Nazis rounding up Jews" |
coalition_unwilling |
Mar-29-06 01:47 PM |
#193 |
| -
No it isn't |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-29-06 03:55 PM |
#196 |
| -
The similarities are there, aren't they? |
Lars39 |
Mar-28-06 11:13 AM |
#24 |
| -
Yes and criminalizing these people will lead to the same abuses. |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 11:18 AM |
#27 |
| -
Equality under the law. Excellent. |
Rockholm |
Mar-28-06 03:58 PM |
#130 |
| -
I truly believe |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 04:33 PM |
#142 |
| -
Thank you for your kind reply. |
Rockholm |
Mar-28-06 05:29 PM |
#156 |
| -
we are just stating our opinions..........as you are.... |
bluedog |
Mar-28-06 11:06 AM |
#16 |
| -
You really haven't addressed my point and question so I will |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 11:10 AM |
#21 |
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Puhleeeze, peddle your broadbrush BS somewhere else |
MadHound |
Mar-28-06 11:13 AM |
#25 |
| -
Speaking of broad brushes, you assume that all those |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 01:28 PM |
#39 |
| -
Ass u me, that is what you are doing |
MadHound |
Mar-28-06 02:10 PM |
#67 |
| -
Then maybe you should report your foreman to the law for |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:18 PM |
# |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-28-06 02:34 PM |
#89 |
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And I found many of the posts on this thread before this one |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:50 PM |
#96 |
| -
Gee, have you considered that the reason for that |
MadHound |
Mar-28-06 03:16 PM |
#113 |
| -
How is that? |
foreverdem |
Mar-28-06 03:21 PM |
#114 |
| -
Not true |
foreverdem |
Mar-28-06 12:09 PM |
#29 |
| -
If they come in legally, they have to follow a process, which also |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 01:49 PM |
#46 |
| -
That's my point |
foreverdem |
Mar-28-06 01:59 PM |
#62 |
| -
That isn't what happens. |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:06 PM |
#64 |
| -
Thanks for the explanation... |
foreverdem |
Mar-28-06 02:18 PM |
#72 |
| -
If you look at the last two amnesties, the reason they were |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:20 PM |
#75 |
| -
Nice or not nice doesn't matter |
foreverdem |
Mar-28-06 02:26 PM |
#82 |
| -
That's bullshit! |
CanonRay |
Mar-28-06 01:14 PM |
#34 |
| -
So would you support amnesty for illegal aliens? |
Marie26 |
Mar-28-06 01:32 PM |
#40 |
| -
I think they need to loosen the immigration restrictions. |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 01:46 PM |
#44 |
| -
NOT amesty, under any circumstances, but |
CanonRay |
Mar-29-06 08:07 AM |
#170 |
| -
Guest workers |
Marie26 |
Mar-29-06 09:38 AM |
#174 |
| -
When was the last time you could demand fair wages without |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 01:34 PM |
#42 |
| -
The race card is so tiresome...by the way my family is Hispanic |
justice1 |
Mar-28-06 01:40 PM |
#43 |
| -
Oh, so I guess your family got in so shut the door behind you? |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 01:50 PM |
#50 |
| -
Murder wouldn't be illegal if it were made legal either. |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 02:25 PM |
#81 |
| -
Because what we have isn't working, but the solutions proposed |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:54 PM |
#98 |
| -
Not working? You mean laws against murder or immigration |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 03:35 PM |
#119 |
| -
That's ridiculous. I am a legal immigrant and I work |
NYCparalegal |
Mar-28-06 01:56 PM |
#57 |
| -
That's nice and so wholesome of them to obey the law because |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:09 PM |
#66 |
| -
No, we don't need to. We are not obliged to give entry to |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 02:17 PM |
#71 |
| -
I think we should make an exception for our neighbors, |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:21 PM |
#76 |
| -
Everyone is our neighbor. |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 02:22 PM |
#78 |
| -
I think we need to raise the quota of immigrants allowed in |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:57 PM |
#99 |
| -
Really? Can you provide some data to back that up? |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 03:37 PM |
#121 |
| -
I don't know if any number cruncher has been inspired to to a |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 05:28 PM |
#155 |
| -
Who said anything about the lottery? |
NYCparalegal |
Mar-28-06 02:27 PM |
#84 |
| -
You don't know how this works do you? |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:38 PM |
#90 |
| -
I have a better idea |
DrGonzoLives |
Mar-28-06 02:15 PM |
#70 |
| -
I didn't call everyone racist. |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:29 PM |
#85 |
| -
You didn't point out a raw truth. You made an accusation and |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 02:34 PM |
#88 |
| -
Let's look at what you said |
DrGonzoLives |
Mar-28-06 02:39 PM |
#91 |
| -
Let's really examine what the truth is. |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:47 PM |
#94 |
| -
You again accuse those who disagree with you of doing so because |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 02:49 PM |
#95 |
| -
Okay, then what would you call it. Enlighten me. |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:59 PM |
#101 |
| -
THe GOP isn't appealing to me. I believe in law and due process. |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 03:37 PM |
#120 |
| -
Once again |
DrGonzoLives |
Mar-28-06 02:53 PM |
#97 |
| -
Be careful what you wish for. |
Gormy Cuss |
Mar-28-06 11:05 AM |
#15 |
| -
Why are people like this? nt |
Marie26 |
Mar-28-06 01:33 PM |
#41 |
| -
That I don't know. |
Gormy Cuss |
Mar-28-06 01:47 PM |
#45 |
| -
That's true |
Marie26 |
Mar-29-06 10:40 AM |
#176 |
| -
I'm not sure what to think on the subject. |
Johonny |
Mar-28-06 11:08 AM |
#20 |
| -
I am sick of being told what to think about illegal immigration |
sparosnare |
Mar-28-06 11:10 AM |
#22 |
| -
I'm against labor exploitation |
sandnsea |
Mar-28-06 12:13 PM |
#30 |
| -
Hear! Hear! |
TahitiNut |
Mar-28-06 01:54 PM |
#54 |
| -
Thank you |
DrGonzoLives |
Mar-28-06 02:20 PM |
#73 |
| -
Yes, the foundation of the problem is worker exploitation. |
hunter |
Mar-28-06 03:09 PM |
#110 |
| -
The same pro-worker slavery Democrates will be wondering AFTER... |
Cobalt Violet |
Mar-28-06 02:20 PM |
#74 |
| -
What is it that people don't get about the word ILLEGAL? |
Faux pas |
Mar-28-06 12:33 PM |
#31 |
| -
One out of five in federal prisons are illegal aliens |
kurth |
Mar-28-06 12:45 PM |
#32 |
| -
That's because they can't afford the fancy lawyers other |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 01:57 PM |
#59 |
| -
Find a better source than the Center for Immigration Studies. |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-28-06 02:24 PM |
#79 |
| -
2003 Federal Bureau of Prisons figure: more than 29 percent |
kurth |
Mar-28-06 03:07 PM |
#108 |
| -
Let's build private prisons in Mexico. It will create guard jobs. |
Joanne98 |
Mar-28-06 03:10 PM |
#111 |
| -
It never made sense to me to house and feed and care for |
Faux pas |
Mar-29-06 01:32 AM |
#163 |
| -
damned straight. they should have let him die. That'll show them illegals! |
antifaschits |
Mar-28-06 03:33 PM |
#118 |
| -
What an ass. I was making the point that if illegals, felons no |
Faux pas |
Mar-29-06 01:36 AM |
#164 |
| -
Nah, they'd rather whine. |
Marie26 |
Mar-28-06 01:18 PM |
#35 |
| -
I'm an American. I don't oppose "illegal" immigration. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Mar-28-06 01:50 PM |
#49 |
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I think there are many of us of the same mind and I think |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 01:53 PM |
#53 |
| -
We need to work harder on our elections systems, Cleita. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-28-06 02:09 PM |
#65 |
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Thanks sfexpat200. For awhile I felt like I had stepped onto |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 02:11 PM |
#68 |
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I think I have to stay out of this melee because it's pretty |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-28-06 02:22 PM |
#77 |
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Me either. My Spanish is mainly verbal. |
Cleita |
Mar-28-06 03:01 PM |
#103 |
| -
The National Border is not one of mankind's better inventions. |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-28-06 03:25 PM |
#115 |
| -
Take it out on the chimp |
DanCa |
Mar-28-06 01:56 PM |
#56 |
| -
I'll just take my opposition to the ballot, thanks. |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 02:12 PM |
#69 |
| -
Another Republican is born. |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-28-06 03:26 PM |
#116 |
| -
What a stupid thing to say. |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 03:39 PM |
#122 |
| -
Sorry if I was mistaken. |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-28-06 03:42 PM |
#125 |
| -
I suggest you stop imagining things. |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 03:45 PM |
#126 |
| -
The protesters were against the latest Republican proposal.... |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-28-06 04:00 PM |
#131 |
| -
The thread subject line is "Maybe it's time for Americans who..." |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 04:26 PM |
#138 |
| -
You said that you would express yourself by voting.... |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-29-06 07:09 AM |
#167 |
| -
I meant by voting in ways that reflect my positions. That includes |
mondo joe |
Mar-29-06 07:55 AM |
#169 |
| -
It makes you wonder what it would be like if.... |
jeffrey_X |
Mar-28-06 02:31 PM |
#86 |
| -
I suspect the outcry has to do with the easy access for illegal |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 02:32 PM |
#87 |
| -
That's why I made the point about |
jeffrey_X |
Mar-28-06 05:19 PM |
#153 |
| -
If everything were the same but the ethnicity, I think most of us would |
mondo joe |
Mar-28-06 11:10 PM |
#162 |
| -
It used to be, I think, about 2.5 million non-Hispanic ... |
countryjake |
Mar-28-06 04:25 PM |
#137 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-28-06 03:01 PM |
#104 |
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But--surely racism & xenophobia have nothing to do with it! |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-28-06 03:28 PM |
#117 |
| -
Why? |
countryjake |
Mar-28-06 04:53 PM |
#150 |
| -
They won't get in the streets b/c they're too comfortable in their |
coalition_unwilling |
Mar-28-06 03:04 PM |
#106 |
| -
For the record |
slide to the left |
Mar-28-06 03:41 PM |
#124 |
| -
I've lived in Texas most of my life.... |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-28-06 03:54 PM |
#128 |
| -
why do you think all latinos in Texas are there illegally? |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-28-06 04:28 PM |
#140 |
| -
well |
slide to the left |
Mar-29-06 08:14 AM |
#171 |
| -
Hey, I guess those illegals that you know |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-29-06 09:01 AM |
#172 |
| -
yeah |
slide to the left |
Mar-29-06 10:19 AM |
#175 |
| -
Actually |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-29-06 10:40 AM |
#177 |
| -
Well |
slide to the left |
Mar-29-06 11:03 AM |
#179 |
| -
Don't get me wrong... |
thinkingwoman |
Mar-29-06 11:11 AM |
#181 |
| -
Do it then. Don't just stand around and whine. Do it! |
Beausoir |
Mar-28-06 04:26 PM |
#139 |
| -
Um |
RagingInMiami |
Mar-29-06 04:01 AM |
#166 |
| -
Nah, they still think that their leaders are gonna take care of all that.. |
countryjake |
Mar-28-06 04:37 PM |
#146 |
| -
Que Viva! |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-28-06 05:27 PM |
#154 |
| -
Well, go ahead. I won't be there. |
Redstone |
Mar-29-06 11:12 AM |
#182 |
| -
It's about more than self-interest -- It's about American Values |
pat_k |
Mar-29-06 01:13 PM |
#189 |
| -
I've heard many heart-rending complaints about the American Worker.... |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-29-06 01:35 PM |
#192 |
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