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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:46 PM
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37. Immigrants have ONE goal and ONE purpose
And it ISN'T to steal jobs from American's.
It is to find their own job--do an honest day's work and support their family.
Not very different from your goals is it?

However, their country is corrupt. They can't even rise to poverty in Mexico so getting to rise to slave wages in America is a dream come true.
They cross the desert in the dead of night--whether it is cold or hot, pack themselves in housing to save money, eat on beans and rice, and save, save, save.
It is not their fault that both countries exploit them.
Mexico exploits them to prop up their economy and corporations/small businesses exploit them for cheap labor.
There is a market for their labor here--whether you like it or not.
Take away the market, you take away their reason to come.
Give them guest worker status and let them bring their families over--then their money will stay here and Mexico will have to solve it's own problems with the economy sans the illegal immigrants.

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  -Immigrants are driving down wages Elwood P Dowd  Mar-27-06 10:12 PM   #0 
  - You make some very valid points n/t  rpannier   Mar-27-06 10:15 PM   #1 
  - question: what's your take on free trade?  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:15 PM   #2 
  - I was against NAFTA and all the others from the beginning  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 10:23 PM   #10 
     - NAFTA and CAFTA are why these people are coming here.  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 10:33 PM   #24 
     - and yet you think immigrants are the great force  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:35 PM   #27 
        - This isn't about anything other than the facts  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 10:49 PM   #38 
           - ok...  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:56 PM   #46 
              - NAFTA spread the free trade zone  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:01 PM   #49 
                 - then nothing will improve the illegal immigration issue  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:03 PM   #50 
  - Let's feed the anti-immigrant frenzy in GD tonight! We haven't had  Redstone   Mar-27-06 10:16 PM   #3 
  - or enough anecdotal stories  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:19 PM   #5 
  - Or enough racebaiting--until now, anyway. n/t  QC   Mar-27-06 10:20 PM   #7 
  - am I racebaiting?  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:23 PM   #11 
  - You're the one who brought up the "brown masses."  QC   Mar-27-06 10:26 PM   #15 
     - and I did so for a reason.  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:31 PM   #21 
        - Why not ask the o.p., rather than just slyly call him a racist?  QC   Mar-27-06 10:35 PM   #26 
           - I haven't slyly called him anything.  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:37 PM   #29 
  - Race baiting?  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 10:25 PM   #13 
     - For many people, it is about race.  QC   Mar-27-06 10:30 PM   #19 
        - True, but after almost leaving DU because of the Minute Men threads,  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 10:36 PM   #28 
           - I understand. But having read discussions of this on other boards,  QC   Mar-27-06 10:43 PM   #35 
              - Heh. The "discussions" that take place where I work would curl your hair.  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 10:55 PM   #44 
  - Yeah, cry Racism. Well how about cold hard analysis: Paul Krugman.  ausus   Mar-27-06 11:24 PM   #74 
     - oh, I'm sorry, I just got the memo.  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:42 PM   #89 
  - No kidding.  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 10:21 PM   #8 
  - K and R.  mzmolly   Mar-27-06 10:16 PM   #4 
  - What would happen if minimum wage were raised to $10 an hour?  John Q. Citizen   Mar-27-06 10:20 PM   #6 
  - You really think this bunch of crooks in Washington will raise  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 10:27 PM   #17 
     - You really think we can seal the boarders? Dream on.  John Q. Citizen   Mar-27-06 10:32 PM   #23 
        - How do we enforce it though?  proud2Blib   Mar-27-06 10:39 PM   #31 
           - Same way we enforce all labor laws. First you publicize the law. And  John Q. Citizen   Mar-27-06 11:00 PM   #48 
  - First, they call it a "guest worker" program.  madeline_con   Mar-27-06 10:21 PM   #9 
  - So You Consider My Guest Worker Proposal 'Slavery'  loindelrio   Mar-27-06 10:31 PM   #22 
  - How about Fair Trade. How about enforcing a living wage for all  Tom Joad   Mar-27-06 10:24 PM   #12 
  - You are absolutely right. And those who argue race need to get a new line  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 10:26 PM   #14 
  - Not Much Discussion Of Pros and Cons, Lots Of Jingoism  loindelrio   Mar-27-06 10:29 PM   #18 
  - Ah, the name-calling. That's all you've got, isn't it?  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 10:49 PM   #39 
     - Actually  loindelrio   Mar-27-06 10:53 PM   #42 
  - speaking of needing to get a new line...  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:33 PM   #25 
  - I don't recall mentioning free trade.  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 10:52 PM   #41 
     - I know you didn't.  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:00 PM   #47 
     - I've never said we should punish those already here.  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 11:07 PM   #53 
        - well,  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:12 PM   #61 
           - I just saw that.  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 11:24 PM   #76 
              - We? Since when did your opinions become DU?  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 11:37 PM   #85 
     - Wal Mart is opposed to raising minimum to $10 an hour. I'm for it.  John Q. Citizen   Mar-27-06 11:09 PM   #56 
  - We need to protect our country from immigrants?  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 10:39 PM   #33 
     - We need to protect the country from ILLEGAL immigrants.  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 10:55 PM   #43 
  - Oh, and also: This is a bit too glib for me to believe:  Redstone   Mar-27-06 10:27 PM   #16 
  - Somebody who once worked for the company  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 10:41 PM   #34 
  - Wonder what the Repukes would do if all these laborers wanted to  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 10:30 PM   #20 
  - All these "Guest workers" are not going to be able to vote, that is for su  ekelly   Mar-27-06 11:46 PM   #93 
  - divide and conquer - we all need to work around the WORLD  28erl   Mar-27-06 10:37 PM   #30 
  - Half the equation, Out Sourcing is the other half.  DanCa   Mar-27-06 10:39 PM   #32 
  - He didn't "let" it get ths bad. This is how it was planned to be from the  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 10:45 PM   #36 
     - Yep, you nailed it.  Iowa   Mar-27-06 11:10 PM   #58 
     - exactly but it started with reagan and probably before  28erl   Mar-27-06 11:19 PM   #72 
        - Yes. Thom Hartmann explained how he started it with the ending of  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 11:29 PM   #81 
  - Immigrants have ONE goal and ONE purpose  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 10:46 PM   #37 
  - You and many others totally miss the point  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 10:56 PM   #45 
     - the only ones pitting worker v. worker  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:05 PM   #52 
        - Who is going to fine them?  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:09 PM   #55 
           - WE THE PEOPLE  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:15 PM   #65 
              - Rove's plan is working perfectly. We are being divided.  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 11:17 PM   #66 
  - If 20 Million Are Good For Business, How About Another 20 Million  John Barrett   Mar-27-06 10:51 PM   #40 
  - "illegals" = exploited, slave like, coerced, non-person  BrightKnight   Mar-27-06 11:18 PM   #69 
  - Elwood, it's an invasion, and while I can empathize with illegals ...  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 11:04 PM   #51 
  - Wow.  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:08 PM   #54 
     - Words don't even express - total lack of knowledge about the problem  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:13 PM   #62 
     - Words don't even express  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:19 PM   #71 
        - You are 100% right. Rove etal are peeing their pants laughing at  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 11:24 PM   #75 
        - I think we're trying to say the same thing  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:32 PM   #84 
     - Wow.  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 11:40 PM   #86 
        - No intelligence needed  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:42 PM   #90 
           - You're the person being racist.  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 11:45 PM   #91 
  - Extremely valid points. Harsh but true.  darkmaestro019   Mar-27-06 11:10 PM   #57 
  - Do you realize that it was the immigrants who caused wages to rise  bleedingheart   Mar-27-06 11:11 PM   #59 
  - I keep trying to tell everybody CHEAP ASS EMPLOYERS  Warpy   Mar-27-06 11:12 PM   #60 
  - Organize FOR a living wage -- not AGAINST immigrants!  struggle4progress   Mar-27-06 11:13 PM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-27-06 11:14 PM   #64 
  - I hope you're joking  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:17 PM   #67 
  - hey, you have the support of the freepers!  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:18 PM   #70 
     - I think you're a freeper in disguise  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:27 PM   #78 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-27-06 11:29 PM   #79 
        - heh!  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:29 PM   #80 
           - Just throwing some of your crap back  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:40 PM   #87 
              - good for you.  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:45 PM   #92 
  - lmao  phusion   Mar-27-06 11:18 PM   #68 
  - What an absolute racist remark  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:22 PM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-27-06 11:26 PM   #77 
     - Oh what fun it is to poke....  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:30 PM   #82 
  - Well I'm glad that you are at least fortright with your belief..  ausus   Mar-27-06 11:31 PM   #83 
  - Perhaps your title should be employers are driving down wages  Garbo 2004   Mar-27-06 11:41 PM   #88 
  - I'm locking this thread  proud patriot   Mar-27-06 11:52 PM   #94 

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