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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Not Much Discussion Of Pros and Cons, Lots Of Jingoism
Guess when you ain't got nothing, Jingoism is a real cool hand.

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  -Immigrants are driving down wages Elwood P Dowd  Mar-27-06 10:12 PM   #0 
  - You make some very valid points n/t  rpannier   Mar-27-06 10:15 PM   #1 
  - question: what's your take on free trade?  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:15 PM   #2 
  - I was against NAFTA and all the others from the beginning  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 10:23 PM   #10 
     - NAFTA and CAFTA are why these people are coming here.  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 10:33 PM   #24 
     - and yet you think immigrants are the great force  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:35 PM   #27 
        - This isn't about anything other than the facts  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 10:49 PM   #38 
           - ok...  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:56 PM   #46 
              - NAFTA spread the free trade zone  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:01 PM   #49 
                 - then nothing will improve the illegal immigration issue  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:03 PM   #50 
  - Let's feed the anti-immigrant frenzy in GD tonight! We haven't had  Redstone   Mar-27-06 10:16 PM   #3 
  - or enough anecdotal stories  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:19 PM   #5 
  - Or enough racebaiting--until now, anyway. n/t  QC   Mar-27-06 10:20 PM   #7 
  - am I racebaiting?  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:23 PM   #11 
  - You're the one who brought up the "brown masses."  QC   Mar-27-06 10:26 PM   #15 
     - and I did so for a reason.  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:31 PM   #21 
        - Why not ask the o.p., rather than just slyly call him a racist?  QC   Mar-27-06 10:35 PM   #26 
           - I haven't slyly called him anything.  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:37 PM   #29 
  - Race baiting?  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 10:25 PM   #13 
     - For many people, it is about race.  QC   Mar-27-06 10:30 PM   #19 
        - True, but after almost leaving DU because of the Minute Men threads,  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 10:36 PM   #28 
           - I understand. But having read discussions of this on other boards,  QC   Mar-27-06 10:43 PM   #35 
              - Heh. The "discussions" that take place where I work would curl your hair.  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 10:55 PM   #44 
  - Yeah, cry Racism. Well how about cold hard analysis: Paul Krugman.  ausus   Mar-27-06 11:24 PM   #74 
     - oh, I'm sorry, I just got the memo.  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:42 PM   #89 
  - No kidding.  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 10:21 PM   #8 
  - K and R.  mzmolly   Mar-27-06 10:16 PM   #4 
  - What would happen if minimum wage were raised to $10 an hour?  John Q. Citizen   Mar-27-06 10:20 PM   #6 
  - You really think this bunch of crooks in Washington will raise  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 10:27 PM   #17 
     - You really think we can seal the boarders? Dream on.  John Q. Citizen   Mar-27-06 10:32 PM   #23 
        - How do we enforce it though?  proud2Blib   Mar-27-06 10:39 PM   #31 
           - Same way we enforce all labor laws. First you publicize the law. And  John Q. Citizen   Mar-27-06 11:00 PM   #48 
  - First, they call it a "guest worker" program.  madeline_con   Mar-27-06 10:21 PM   #9 
  - So You Consider My Guest Worker Proposal 'Slavery'  loindelrio   Mar-27-06 10:31 PM   #22 
  - How about Fair Trade. How about enforcing a living wage for all  Tom Joad   Mar-27-06 10:24 PM   #12 
  - You are absolutely right. And those who argue race need to get a new line  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 10:26 PM   #14 
  - Not Much Discussion Of Pros and Cons, Lots Of Jingoism  loindelrio   Mar-27-06 10:29 PM   #18 
  - Ah, the name-calling. That's all you've got, isn't it?  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 10:49 PM   #39 
     - Actually  loindelrio   Mar-27-06 10:53 PM   #42 
  - speaking of needing to get a new line...  ulysses   Mar-27-06 10:33 PM   #25 
  - I don't recall mentioning free trade.  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 10:52 PM   #41 
     - I know you didn't.  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:00 PM   #47 
     - I've never said we should punish those already here.  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 11:07 PM   #53 
        - well,  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:12 PM   #61 
           - I just saw that.  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 11:24 PM   #76 
              - We? Since when did your opinions become DU?  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 11:37 PM   #85 
     - Wal Mart is opposed to raising minimum to $10 an hour. I'm for it.  John Q. Citizen   Mar-27-06 11:09 PM   #56 
  - We need to protect our country from immigrants?  beam me up scottie   Mar-27-06 10:39 PM   #33 
     - We need to protect the country from ILLEGAL immigrants.  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 10:55 PM   #43 
  - Oh, and also: This is a bit too glib for me to believe:  Redstone   Mar-27-06 10:27 PM   #16 
  - Somebody who once worked for the company  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 10:41 PM   #34 
  - Wonder what the Repukes would do if all these laborers wanted to  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 10:30 PM   #20 
  - All these "Guest workers" are not going to be able to vote, that is for su  ekelly   Mar-27-06 11:46 PM   #93 
  - divide and conquer - we all need to work around the WORLD  28erl   Mar-27-06 10:37 PM   #30 
  - Half the equation, Out Sourcing is the other half.  DanCa   Mar-27-06 10:39 PM   #32 
  - He didn't "let" it get ths bad. This is how it was planned to be from the  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 10:45 PM   #36 
     - Yep, you nailed it.  Iowa   Mar-27-06 11:10 PM   #58 
     - exactly but it started with reagan and probably before  28erl   Mar-27-06 11:19 PM   #72 
        - Yes. Thom Hartmann explained how he started it with the ending of  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 11:29 PM   #81 
  - Immigrants have ONE goal and ONE purpose  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 10:46 PM   #37 
  - You and many others totally miss the point  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 10:56 PM   #45 
     - the only ones pitting worker v. worker  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:05 PM   #52 
        - Who is going to fine them?  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:09 PM   #55 
           - WE THE PEOPLE  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:15 PM   #65 
              - Rove's plan is working perfectly. We are being divided.  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 11:17 PM   #66 
  - If 20 Million Are Good For Business, How About Another 20 Million  John Barrett   Mar-27-06 10:51 PM   #40 
  - "illegals" = exploited, slave like, coerced, non-person  BrightKnight   Mar-27-06 11:18 PM   #69 
  - Elwood, it's an invasion, and while I can empathize with illegals ...  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 11:04 PM   #51 
  - Wow.  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:08 PM   #54 
     - Words don't even express - total lack of knowledge about the problem  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:13 PM   #62 
     - Words don't even express  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:19 PM   #71 
        - You are 100% right. Rove etal are peeing their pants laughing at  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 11:24 PM   #75 
        - I think we're trying to say the same thing  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:32 PM   #84 
     - Wow.  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 11:40 PM   #86 
        - No intelligence needed  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:42 PM   #90 
           - You're the person being racist.  Neil Lisst   Mar-27-06 11:45 PM   #91 
  - Extremely valid points. Harsh but true.  darkmaestro019   Mar-27-06 11:10 PM   #57 
  - Do you realize that it was the immigrants who caused wages to rise  bleedingheart   Mar-27-06 11:11 PM   #59 
  - I keep trying to tell everybody CHEAP ASS EMPLOYERS  Warpy   Mar-27-06 11:12 PM   #60 
  - Organize FOR a living wage -- not AGAINST immigrants!  struggle4progress   Mar-27-06 11:13 PM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-27-06 11:14 PM   #64 
  - I hope you're joking  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:17 PM   #67 
  - hey, you have the support of the freepers!  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:18 PM   #70 
     - I think you're a freeper in disguise  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:27 PM   #78 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-27-06 11:29 PM   #79 
        - heh!  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:29 PM   #80 
           - Just throwing some of your crap back  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-27-06 11:40 PM   #87 
              - good for you.  ulysses   Mar-27-06 11:45 PM   #92 
  - lmao  phusion   Mar-27-06 11:18 PM   #68 
  - What an absolute racist remark  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:22 PM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-27-06 11:26 PM   #77 
     - Oh what fun it is to poke....  Horse with no Name   Mar-27-06 11:30 PM   #82 
  - Well I'm glad that you are at least fortright with your belief..  ausus   Mar-27-06 11:31 PM   #83 
  - Perhaps your title should be employers are driving down wages  Garbo 2004   Mar-27-06 11:41 PM   #88 
  - I'm locking this thread  proud patriot   Mar-27-06 11:52 PM   #94 
 

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