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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #59
78. Blather
You didn't list one quote or piece of legislation to back up your claim.

Nobody is advocating illegal workers remain in the country and undercut legal workers. Well, except for Republicans who use illegals to bust unions and undercut labor laws.

Nobody is advocating legal workers work for substandard wages. Well, except Republicans who have never supported an increase in minimum wage or any other measure that supports workers.

Democrats want to turn enforcement of labor laws over to the Dept of Labor, where it belongs. They want to double the number of border patrol. They want all workers in the US to be legal so that they can report violations and stand up for themselves and their fellow workers.

Republicans want to allow more more more foreign workers into the country. That's what the Bush version of the guest worker program does. Opens the doors to tons of workers and the minute they start to get their feet under them a bit and learn to advocate for themselves, boom, send them back home and bring in a new batch to exploit.

There is a huge difference between the two strategies. You have allowed yourself to be duped and have only heard the word "amnesty" and that isn't what anybody is suggesting. You've got an elephant's ass blocking the donkey's face and the sad thing is, you chose to put it there.

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  -A message to the people opposing illegal immigration RagingInMiami  Mar-27-06 08:50 PM   #0 
  - Someday people will be complaining about the aliens from another  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 08:53 PM   #1 
  - Well that's where I draw the line  RagingInMiami   Mar-27-06 08:53 PM   #2 
  - Remember the series "Alien Planet" with the melon heads?  Cleita   Mar-27-06 09:04 PM   #7 
  - Yes. Exactly  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 09:06 PM   #8 
  - Did you mean to post "Alien Nation"?  D__S   Mar-27-06 09:17 PM   #14 
  - Yes, I did.  Cleita   Mar-27-06 09:26 PM   #17 
  - That is what I read it as. It was a great movie before it was series.  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 09:38 PM   #19 
  - I think you mean "Alien Nation"  Greylyn58   Mar-28-06 09:43 AM   #33 
  - Kinda like Superman working at the Daily Planet?  DanCa   Mar-29-06 11:25 AM   #76 
  - Why are you assuming Mexicans are non-English speaking?  madeline_con   Mar-27-06 08:56 PM   #3 
  - Most of the illegal immigrants I encounted when living in the SW  RagingInMiami   Mar-27-06 09:01 PM   #5 
  - agree  ginnyinWI   Mar-27-06 08:59 PM   #4 
  - "give some aid to Mexico"  QC   Mar-27-06 09:01 PM   #6 
  - In the U.S., One Percent owned 90% of the Wealth... (1992)  neoblues   Mar-27-06 09:14 PM   #12 
  - Yes, I am aware that wealth is highly concentrated here.  QC   Mar-27-06 09:17 PM   #13 
     - I didn't mean to infer you weren't aware...  neoblues   Mar-29-06 04:01 AM   #46 
     - When Mexico finally kicks out  Marie26   Mar-29-06 02:28 PM   #80 
  - well if that's the case,  ginnyinWI   Mar-27-06 09:18 PM   #15 
  - Several excellent ideas there. And you are right, the last thing Bush  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 09:08 PM   #9 
  - And they will all vote Democratic forever  Mr.Green93   Mar-27-06 09:09 PM   #10 
  - Unfortunately, many dems don't see that  RagingInMiami   Mar-27-06 09:10 PM   #11 
  - One would hope...but I don't see that as being the case at all.  MrsGrumpy   Mar-27-06 09:19 PM   #16 
  - You've been watching too much of the Discovery and History Channel.  D__S   Mar-27-06 09:32 PM   #18 
  - Yup. People teleported from Odulvai Gorge to Siberia  WilliamPitt   Mar-27-06 09:42 PM   #21 
  - Too much Sci-Fi channel.  D__S   Mar-27-06 10:08 PM   #25 
     - Yeah  WilliamPitt   Mar-27-06 10:15 PM   #26 
        - I was turned into a newt.  D__S   Mar-27-06 10:33 PM   #27 
           - Newt Gingrich?  Bridget Burke   Mar-29-06 09:25 AM   #60 
  - Oh come now--sandwiches are an *excellent* argument  QC   Mar-27-06 09:42 PM   #22 
  - I haven't watched TV in more than two years  RagingInMiami   Mar-27-06 09:53 PM   #23 
  - I remember in High School....  musical_soul   Mar-27-06 09:40 PM   #20 
  - Actually..  MikeNY   Mar-27-06 09:58 PM   #24 
  - There is no difference  RagingInMiami   Mar-28-06 08:53 AM   #28 
  - The problem with illegals is wages!  CanonRay   Mar-28-06 09:10 AM   #29 
  - There is a disconnect for some  Kansas Wyatt   Mar-28-06 09:25 AM   #30 
     - Who told you this shit???  sandnsea   Mar-29-06 05:09 AM   #57 
        - Do some Democrats support granting illegal immigrant workers  Kansas Wyatt   Mar-29-06 09:20 AM   #59 
        - LOL  sadiesworld   Mar-29-06 09:32 AM   #63 
        - Blather  sandnsea   Mar-29-06 02:17 PM   #78 
           - I never allowed myself to be duped by anyone.  Kansas Wyatt   Mar-29-06 08:57 PM   #82 
              - Fining business? Punishing illegals? Republicans tough?  sandnsea   Mar-30-06 01:37 AM   #83 
                 - Republicans are NOT tough on immigration  Kansas Wyatt   Mar-30-06 08:59 AM   #84 
                    - "Republicans talk tough on illegals"  sandnsea   Mar-30-06 10:49 AM   #85 
                       - Do Democrats strongly oppose AMNESTY  Kansas Wyatt   Mar-30-06 01:25 PM   #88 
                          - They ARE  sandnsea   Mar-30-06 02:49 PM   #89 
        - Democrats who support unrestricted illegal immigration  CanonRay   Mar-29-06 09:42 AM   #64 
           - if reagan hadn't succeeded  jukes   Mar-29-06 10:28 AM   #67 
           - THAT is the Bush program  sandnsea   Mar-29-06 02:23 PM   #79 
  - Nothing can be done?  Ron Mexico   Mar-28-06 09:36 AM   #31 
  - Do you honestly believe that's going to happen  RagingInMiami   Mar-28-06 10:01 AM   #34 
     - These ideas have made their way into Congress, and  Ron Mexico   Mar-28-06 10:17 AM   #35 
     - Talk about the American way  RagingInMiami   Mar-28-06 10:27 AM   #36 
     - Accepted it? That's what you're telling us to  Ron Mexico   Mar-28-06 10:33 AM   #37 
        - Don't put words in my mouth  RagingInMiami   Mar-28-06 10:53 AM   #41 
        - I'm not.  Ron Mexico   Mar-28-06 11:05 AM   #42 
           - You know what other "illegal activities" I support?  RagingInMiami   Mar-29-06 03:46 AM   #44 
              - "But I'm sure your partial to the missionary position..."  Ron Mexico   Mar-29-06 10:08 AM   #66 
                 - Your posts have been nothing but belittling, condensending and snide  RagingInMiami   Mar-29-06 11:11 AM   #74 
                    - Your first post was the very height of condescension, I challenged you to  Ron Mexico   Mar-29-06 11:22 AM   #75 
        - yes, accepted it  shanti   Mar-30-06 03:01 PM   #91 
     - Your post has helped me weed through this issue.  The Wielding Truth   Mar-29-06 10:51 AM   #71 
     - thank you!  shanti   Mar-30-06 02:59 PM   #90 
  - I do accept the culture (and sandwiches) will change. That's not the  mondo joe   Mar-28-06 09:39 AM   #32 
  - Does your willingness to "embrace" these illegal  PsN2Wind   Mar-28-06 10:34 AM   #38 
  - Then there's some of us  Ron Mexico   Mar-28-06 10:41 AM   #39 
  - Yet many posters here have little sympathy  PsN2Wind   Mar-28-06 01:41 PM   #43 
  - You 're absolutely right.  phylny   Mar-29-06 04:02 AM   #47 
  - When you realized your house was being built by illegals....  Bridget Burke   Mar-29-06 09:30 AM   #61 
  - So take to the streets & PROTEST!  Bridget Burke   Mar-29-06 10:33 AM   #68 
  - I've long thought our immigration policy towards Haiti is unjust  RagingInMiami   Mar-28-06 10:45 AM   #40 
  - "..we would still be living in Africa with dark skin and kinky hair.."  incapsulated   Mar-29-06 03:58 AM   #45 
  - Gee, I didn't read it like that at all.  phylny   Mar-29-06 04:06 AM   #48 
  - Think of it this way...  incapsulated   Mar-29-06 04:11 AM   #50 
     - As I read it, the "we" referred to "some of us have kinky hair, some of us  phylny   Mar-29-06 04:33 AM   #51 
  - Oh for fucks sake  RagingInMiami   Mar-29-06 04:34 AM   #52 
  - I AM AN AFRICAN AMERICAN  incapsulated   Mar-29-06 04:37 AM   #53 
     - "we would ALL still be living in Africa with dark skin and kinky hair ...  RagingInMiami   Mar-29-06 04:40 AM   #55 
        - I wouldn't have said anything, if that is what you wrote  incapsulated   Mar-29-06 04:45 AM   #56 
        - Yes, you got me, I'm a racist  RagingInMiami   Mar-29-06 05:32 AM   #58 
           - Irony?  DrGonzoLives   Mar-30-06 11:20 AM   #87 
        - Some of the Irish have kinky hair....  Bridget Burke   Mar-29-06 09:47 AM   #65 
           - I lived in Ireland  RagingInMiami   Mar-29-06 10:56 AM   #72 
  - And we call them African-American  RagingInMiami   Mar-29-06 04:37 AM   #54 
  - I don't think anyone is in favor of illegal immigration.  rman   Mar-29-06 04:10 AM   #49 
  - I don't think "nothing should be done." But this is not a CRISIS!  Bridget Burke   Mar-29-06 09:32 AM   #62 
     - Illegal immigration is the repug wedge issue of this election  laheina   Mar-30-06 03:18 PM   #92 
  - Everyone should oppose ILLEGAL immigration.  Ioo   Mar-29-06 10:42 AM   #69 
  - Ragin - I think most do not object to them being here, but do  lonestarnot   Mar-29-06 10:50 AM   #70 
  - Lovely, thoughtful post however accepting differences culturally  mzmolly   Mar-29-06 11:02 AM   #73 
  - Excellent History Summary of Culutral Evolution vis a vis Migrations  radio4progressives   Mar-29-06 11:47 AM   #77 
  - I was following until you got to the native americans  Inland   Mar-29-06 02:37 PM   #81 
  - Well said. n/t  Zookeeper   Mar-30-06 11:16 AM   #86 
  - Right on, Raging.  Blue_In_AK   Mar-30-06 03:44 PM   #93 

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