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10. Don't let the CIA off the hook. They're the ones who had the UBL files
To avoid stepping on the Agency's domestic surveillance operation, the FBI brass handcuffed and blindfolded their field agents whenever they came in contact with what DoD called "the Brooklyn cell". The Pentagon was also prevailed upon to abandon its own operations that threatened to conflict with the CIA's work. That's why Able Danger was shut down.

Here's what we know from open sources:


A Congressional report later describes (Bush's 08/06/01 PDB) as based on the memo discussed in July by Clarke and other high-level national security decision-makers. The Senate Intelligence Committee summarized that memo, as follows:

"embers of al-Qaeda, including some US citizens, had resided in or traveled to the US for years and that the group apparently maintained a support structure here. The report cited uncorroborated information obtained in 1998 that Osam bin Laden wanted to hijack airplanes to gain the release of US-held extremists; FBI judgments about patterns of activity consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks and the number of bin Laden-related investigations underway; as well as information acquired in May 2001 that indicated a group of bin Laden supporters was planning attacks in the US with explosives." .

Meanwhile, that August, FBI investigators in New York and Minneapolis were trying desperately to gather sufficient evidence to obtain FISA warrants to track down four al-Qaeda members known to be at large in the country and information for a warrant to open the computer files of a fifth suspect, Zacarias Moussaoui, who had been arrested at a Norman Oklahoma flight school. FBI requests that summer to the CIA for information contained in the Agencys files were repeatedly stonewalled.

On August 23 2001, the CIA finally informed the Bureau that two intending terrorists Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar -- had entered the US in January 2000 information it had in its files for some 17 months. As they tried to get evidence for warrants, FBI agents in New York and Minneapolis were particularly in need of what

the CIA knew about these two al-Qaeda members. In refusing to turn over information the previous month, a CIA officer told FBI investigators attached to the FBIs New York National Security office he would not turn over operational information. In a now famous e-mail message, one of the New York Bureau investigators remarked about the seeming meltdown in US counterterrorism, Someone is going to die. Colleen Rowley, a lawyer in the Minneapolis FBI office frustrated after the CIA refused to provide materials supporting warrants to open Moussaouis laptop -- and by the obstruction of FBI headquarters later conjectured that her own investigation was being sabotaged by moles.

For reasons that have not yet been satisfactorily explained, the federal terrorism alert was relaxed after Bush received his briefing. Five weeks later, 19 hijackers armed with box cutters were able to board four commercial airliners, flying them into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and into a crash site in western Pennsylvania.

Three thousand people died in what was possibly, at high levels of the US Government, the most widely anticipated mass murder in American history.

Why did the President and his senior national security officials behave as they did in the face of these warnings? Was US intelligence simply deceived into believing that any al-Qaeda attack would occur abroad, as has been claimed, or was there an unstated reason officials took the enormous risks they did? What were top

Administration officials thinking?



"They Had It Covered." - Anonymous Aide to NSC Counterterrorism Chief, Richard Clarke What could have been the line of reasoning behind the terrorism alert stand-down in the weeks before 9/11? The final report of the Congressional Joint Inquiry, released in September 2003, casts some new light on these key questions. *Main&url= [br />

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  - Phillip Zelikow needs to answer more than a few questions under oath.  Octafish   Mar-26-06 11:37 AM   #8 
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        - Apocalyptic president (sic)  Octafish   Mar-26-06 06:59 PM   #39 
  - Don't let the CIA off the hook. They're the ones who had the UBL files  leveymg   Mar-26-06 11:51 AM   #10 
  - 6 August 2001 PDB sheds light on the current situation...  Octafish   Mar-26-06 07:17 PM   #41 
     - "The Wall" was entirely one-way.  leveymg   Mar-27-06 04:25 AM   #61 
  - "Just a coincidence"  Generator   Mar-26-06 11:52 AM   #11 
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  - A Short History of ''Conspiracy Theory''  Octafish   Mar-26-06 10:37 PM   #46 
     - Octa The Reason The CIA Gives For Dismissing Criticism Of The Warren CO  Binka   Mar-27-06 03:29 AM   #60 
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     - Man! I missed this entire post....making me tear up a bit, I must say  Gabi Hayes   Mar-27-06 01:57 PM   #75 
        - Traitor, thy name is Bush.  Octafish   Mar-27-06 04:34 PM   #82 
  - Close to 20,000 FISA approvals, how many Denials?...n/m  Lostnote06   Mar-26-06 11:54 AM   #12 
  - They didn't seek FISA warrants because it wasn't legal for the CIA to be  leveymg   Mar-26-06 12:03 PM   #13 
  - Political Detox Survivor here.....  Lostnote06   Mar-26-06 01:08 PM   #19 
  - Welcome to DU!  leveymg   Mar-26-06 04:32 PM   #26 
  - Wasn't Tahiti although my freshly acquired  Lostnote06   Mar-26-06 05:29 PM   #37 
  - Join the Resistance!! I finally went to this 911 site and it is excellent  Trevelyan   Mar-28-06 01:37 PM   #100 
  - what does CIA have to do with the FBI's refusing to follow the advice  Gabi Hayes   Mar-27-06 01:58 PM   #76 
     - Terrorism Not a Priority for Ashcroft Pre-9/11  Octafish   Mar-28-06 08:46 AM   #95 
  - Up to 29 October 2001 -- 12,178 warrants approved, 1 denied.  Octafish   Mar-26-06 07:53 PM   #42 
     - No. FBI HQ decided not to approve the Moussaoui warrant request  leveymg   Mar-27-06 06:35 AM   #62 
        - over fifty links from Truth is All on this subject  Gabi Hayes   Mar-27-06 11:56 AM   #67 
  - I would sure love to see some high ups go..  Hotler   Mar-26-06 12:04 PM   #14 
  - Confederate Attorney General Johnny Ashcan would make a good start.  Octafish   Mar-26-06 09:24 PM   #45 
  - "I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose  NCevilDUer   Mar-29-06 10:32 AM   #111 
  - Instead they get promoted... go figure  mirandapriestly   Mar-26-06 10:37 PM   #47 
  - Intelligence agencies have been corrupted at the top.  rman   Mar-26-06 12:05 PM   #15 
  - (Bush promoted them after 9/11)  savemefromdumbya   Mar-26-06 04:44 PM   #29 
  - USA Means ''Under Saudi Arabia''  Octafish   Mar-26-06 10:50 PM   #50 
  - The fish stinks from the head!!!!!  BrklynLiberal   Mar-26-06 12:55 PM   #16 
  - Hey! I resemble that remark!  Octafish   Mar-26-06 10:59 PM   #51 
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     - Apologies to YOU Octafish. And what a PERFECT image. It captures  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 10:12 AM   #65 
  - Another Octafish post to bookmark.  bear425   Mar-26-06 01:03 PM   #17 
  - ditto  harpo   Mar-26-06 01:04 PM   #18 
  - FBI Inspector Generals Report  Octafish   Mar-27-06 10:06 PM   #86 
  - FBI Ineptitude  Octafish   Mar-27-06 10:01 PM   #85 
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  - ARE nuts, aren't you?  Gabi Hayes   Mar-26-06 01:21 PM   #22 
  - LOL!  Swamp Rat   Mar-26-06 02:24 PM   #25 
  - yeah, sad huh?nt  mirandapriestly   Mar-26-06 10:45 PM   #49 
  - Thanks, Maestro. Remember what Ray McGovern said...  Octafish   Mar-26-06 11:28 PM   #53 
     - Danke und das Gewinde wieder eine treten.  Swamp Rat   Mar-27-06 01:46 AM   #58 
  - when you finish current Octafish thread, try this for a refresher:  Gabi Hayes   Mar-26-06 01:31 PM   #23 
  - Thank you, Gabi Hayes. I'd be honored...  Octafish   Mar-26-06 11:59 PM   #54 
     - AWEsome! I have the week off, too! Now....WTF is up with that picture?  Gabi Hayes   Mar-27-06 12:04 AM   #55 
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  - On the subject, have you heard any updates on the black boxes?  robertpaulsen   Mar-26-06 04:37 PM   #27 
  - did those sorts of planes have black boxes?  savemefromdumbya   Mar-26-06 04:45 PM   #30 
  - I'm talking about the 9/11 planes, not the flight school ones.  robertpaulsen   Mar-26-06 04:57 PM   #32 
     - no I was talking about the 9/11 ones  savemefromdumbya   Mar-26-06 05:16 PM   #36 
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        - Unofficially, NTSB had them. Officially, its just like Wellstone's murder  robertpaulsen   Mar-28-06 05:18 PM   #105 
           - Agree. Paul Wellstone was not afraid of Bush Sr, Jr or anybody.  Octafish   Mar-28-06 10:23 PM   #107 
  - We've just got to take away that black marker pen from Bush  savemefromdumbya   Mar-26-06 04:48 PM   #31 
  - And all his toadies...  Karenina   Mar-26-06 05:02 PM   #34 
     - The Phoenix Memo  Octafish   Mar-27-06 10:51 PM   #90 
  - Octafish, great work as usual...  ngGale   Mar-26-06 05:12 PM   #35 
  - Thanks, ngGale! Remember this one?  Octafish   Mar-27-06 10:57 PM   #91 
  - k/r  upi402   Mar-26-06 05:45 PM   #38 
  - PNAC Neo Fascists needed a "New Pearl Harbor".  Disturbed   Mar-26-06 08:00 PM   #43 
     - Sibel Edmonds and Ashcroft's War on Truth  Octafish   Mar-28-06 09:13 AM   #96 
  - Thank you Octafish  burythehatchet   Mar-26-06 09:04 PM   #44 
  - LOL! You certainly are, burythehatchet. Why IS that IG report so redacted?  Octafish   Mar-28-06 09:23 AM   #97 
  - How did it all get like this? Could it be.....  Gabi Hayes   Mar-26-06 10:39 PM   #48 
  - Did somebody say ''Pat Robertson"?  Octafish   Mar-28-06 10:43 PM   #108 
  - Once again you've given us something that we can sink our teeth into.  oasis   Mar-27-06 12:32 AM   #56 
  - Why Moussaoui Confession Doesn't Add Up  Octafish   Mar-29-06 08:25 AM   #110 
  - I like. (nt)  stickdog   Mar-27-06 01:14 AM   #57 
  - STRATFOR: Moussaoui's doubtful role, the guy WANTS to be a martyr.  Octafish   Mar-30-06 10:25 AM   #113 
  - Great post, Octafish ~  Catrina   Mar-27-06 02:02 AM   #59 
  - The Propaganda Preparation for 9/11  Octafish   Mar-30-06 10:55 AM   #114 
  - Thanks Octafish! Excellent as always! Bookmarking for later read!  lonestarnot   Mar-27-06 08:19 AM   #63 
  - Moussaoui Jurors Ask Judge to Define 'Weapons of Mass Destruction'  Octafish   Mar-30-06 03:17 PM   #115 
     - Octafish-did you see this thread?  JennasLiver   Mar-30-06 03:29 PM   #117 
        - Shocking! Absolutely shocking!  Octafish   Mar-31-06 10:17 PM   #120 
  - Stickdog's related thread you should see  leveymg   Mar-27-06 08:44 AM   #64 
  - reading that thread now; thanks.....Hicks is running for office, yes?  Gabi Hayes   Mar-27-06 11:39 AM   #66 
  - Thanks, leveymg. I gave it a kick immediately...  Octafish   Mar-30-06 03:18 PM   #116 
  - Mr. Samit, Ms Rowling, and the author of Phx Memo had in their  madmark   Mar-27-06 12:54 PM   #69 
  - People don't screw up that bad and get promoted. They're being rewarded.  Octafish   Mar-31-06 08:42 AM   #118 
  - Breaking: Moussaoui tells all!  Gabi Hayes   Mar-27-06 01:33 PM   #70 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-27-06 01:37 PM   #72 
  - did you see Loose Change?  Gabi Hayes   Mar-27-06 01:49 PM   #73 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-27-06 01:55 PM   #74 
        - thanks! never even heard of that what about  Gabi Hayes   Mar-27-06 02:00 PM   #77 
  - Going for White House? No wonder Bush went on month's vacation.  Octafish   Mar-27-06 04:48 PM   #83 
  - You called it, you said it and today Moussaoui tells all!!!! eom  dogday   Mar-27-06 01:36 PM   #71 
  - Moussaoui's ''Stunned Admission''  Octafish   Mar-31-06 08:53 AM   #119 
  - Security honcho Condi expected a "traditional hijacking" so the Aug. 6  oasis   Mar-27-06 02:07 PM   #78 
  - Since she knew it was going to happen.......................  savemefromdumbya   Mar-27-06 02:18 PM   #79 
  - Richard Clarke, in "Against All Enemies", implies that Condi wasn't  oasis   Mar-27-06 02:35 PM   #80 
     - she knew  savemefromdumbya   Mar-27-06 03:01 PM   #81 
     - Cover story. Not all that you hear from Clarke is the truth....  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-27-06 10:38 PM   #88 
        - Clarke exposed Condi's incompetence. It's helpful to chip away at Bush's  oasis   Mar-27-06 11:55 PM   #92 
        - have to agree, to a certain extent, but can you give specifics?  Gabi Hayes   Mar-28-06 05:37 PM   #106 
  - How come Brian Williams never mentions Project BOJINKA?  Octafish   Mar-31-06 10:27 PM   #121 
  - And what's more, all of these f***ers were promoted!  stickdog   Mar-28-06 01:57 AM   #93 
  - They've been promoting themselves  Karenina   Mar-28-06 04:20 PM   #104 
     - Isn't it odd how little interest there is in history?  Octafish   Mar-31-06 10:36 PM   #122 
  - MSM is starting to sound like DU... First Boy in the Bubble, cartoon of  Trevelyan   Mar-28-06 01:29 PM   #99 
  - BOJINKA: Bust and Boom  Octafish   Mar-31-06 10:48 PM   #123 
  - tea time kick  Gabi Hayes   Mar-28-06 03:13 PM   #102 
     - Like Moussaoui case, we'd never know of BOJINKA if not for lucky cop.  Octafish   Mar-31-06 11:06 PM   #124 
        - A huge 'thank you' to Ms Bojinka.  upi402   Mar-31-06 11:10 PM   #125 
           - Aida D. Fariscal  Octafish   Mar-31-06 11:22 PM   #126 
              - Thanks for clearing that up for me. I remember it, but no details like tha  upi402   Apr-01-06 01:02 AM   #127 

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