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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:00 AM
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22. Ok, thank you, that makes sense
I especially agree with this part: "in my opinion there's no excuse for that because this is the essence of the election and it should NOT be proprietary by any stretch of the imagination."

But I have another question, regarding the type of vote switching program that Clint Curtis did. Couldn't and shouldn't machines also be 100% audited to prevent that kind of vote switching program? I mean, if a machine can be audited to prevent a bad or fraudulent ballot definition problem, why can't it be audited at the same time to make sure that it doesn't contain code that will count votes meant for one candidate going to another candidate? -- which is essentially what Clint Curtis was asked to do.
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  -A Repeat of Election Fraud 2004 Must Be Prevented in 2006 and 2008 Time for change  Mar-20-06 06:13 PM   #0 
  - Thank you for this comprehensive yet succinct post. Fair elections  bleever   Mar-20-06 06:16 PM   #1 
  - Thank you Bleever -- With so many people working on this issue  Time for change   Mar-20-06 07:11 PM   #3 
     - Sneeking in here to mention the discussion where this was cross-posted.  Wilms   Mar-21-06 05:26 PM   #33 
  - Excellent, as always. Thank you.  understandinglife   Mar-20-06 06:21 PM   #2 
  - Thank you ul -- I believe that we are one fair election away from  Time for change   Mar-21-06 05:04 AM   #17 
  - Great post!  Patsy Stone   Mar-20-06 07:27 PM   #4 
  - not just the white house was lost. how many house seats?  mopinko   Mar-20-06 08:03 PM   #5 
  - Very important questions  Time for change   Mar-21-06 08:43 AM   #20 
  - Great post TFC! KnR!!!  Melissa G   Mar-20-06 08:03 PM   #6 
  - Thank you Melissa -- I sure hope that some of this works  Time for change   Mar-21-06 03:39 PM   #27 
  - A problem encouraging pre-tabulation fraud is lack of precinct counts  Wilms   Mar-20-06 08:12 PM   #7 
  - Thank you for the clarifications Wilms  Time for change   Mar-20-06 11:40 PM   #13 
  - The "Clint Curtis Hack" involved source code.  Wilms   Mar-21-06 12:38 AM   #16 
     - So, are you saying that you have doubts about whether access to the  Time for change   Mar-21-06 02:33 PM   #26 
        - Unfortunately, yes.  Wilms   Mar-21-06 05:08 PM   #31 
           - Then do you think that there is any hope for a transparent election  Time for change   Mar-21-06 05:32 PM   #34 
              - No I don't.  Wilms   Mar-21-06 06:16 PM   #36 
  - while we're at it, counts vs. counts?  OnTheOtherHand   Mar-21-06 09:04 AM   #21 
     - "one would like several sets of eyes to see results before the ballots  Time for change   Mar-21-06 11:10 AM   #23 
     - I don't know  OnTheOtherHand   Mar-21-06 04:09 PM   #29 
        - Yeah, I just don't get it  Time for change   Mar-21-06 04:53 PM   #30 
     - Probably could know how many ballots were cast.  Wilms   Mar-21-06 05:14 PM   #32 
        - well, yes  OnTheOtherHand   Mar-21-06 07:30 PM   #39 
           - Right. For example....  Time for change   Mar-21-06 08:08 PM   #41 
  - Kick!  bleever   Mar-20-06 08:36 PM   #8 
  - Recommended but there are NOT many thousands of people  Bill Bored   Mar-20-06 09:09 PM   #9 
  - Thank you Bill -- I did mention the ballot definition  Time for change   Mar-20-06 10:13 PM   #11 
     - Well to make a long story short...  Bill Bored   Mar-20-06 11:40 PM   #12 
        - Ok, thank you, that makes sense  Time for change   Mar-21-06 10:00 AM   #22 
           - That could be done by using hashes or digital signatures  Bill Bored   Mar-21-06 07:10 PM   #37 
              - Have the feds "been asleep at the switch" OR  Time for change   Mar-21-06 08:03 PM   #40 
  - kick n/t  Wilms   Mar-20-06 10:04 PM   #10 
  - k/r n-t  upi402   Mar-20-06 11:59 PM   #14 
  - Thank you, Time For Change.  sfexpat2000   Mar-21-06 12:02 AM   #15 
  - I hope it helps -- I just don't understand why  Time for change   Mar-21-06 01:31 PM   #25 
     - I think a lot of us feel the same way.  sfexpat2000   Mar-21-06 03:55 PM   #28 
        - .  Time for change   Mar-21-06 05:50 PM   #35 
  - K&R  DemReadingDU   Mar-21-06 06:57 AM   #18 
  - K&R. This is the heart of the fight. If we don't win this, we don't win  chimpymustgo   Mar-21-06 07:27 AM   #19 
     - I agree -- No democracy without transparent elections  Time for change   Mar-21-06 12:05 PM   #24 
  - K & (website wouldn't let me) R  tom_paine   Mar-21-06 07:12 PM   #38 
  - kick  Amaryllis   Mar-21-06 10:27 PM   #42 
  - When so much money/power is at stake GOP must rig the election  Imagevision   Mar-21-06 11:31 PM   #43 
  - kick  Amaryllis   Mar-23-06 10:57 AM   #44 
  - I was just informed that this post was brought up at a meeting of  Time for change   Mar-23-06 03:55 PM   #45 
  - Cool! n/t  Wilms   Mar-24-06 08:48 PM   #46 
  - Correct me if I'm wrong, but I quoted this from your original post...  MissAmerica   Mar-24-06 10:54 PM   #47 
  - Yes, I believe that you are wrong  Time for change   Mar-25-06 04:16 PM   #49 
  - kick!  tiptoe   Mar-25-06 01:06 AM   #48 

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