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85. Feingold has stated he was concerned about his strategy being "blunted"...
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 11:17 PM by calipendence
Look at this Washington Post article here. Many here have the perspective that Feingold did something that was "the wrong way" to accomplish something that most here feel was the right thing to do. The press and other Dems are reinforcing this perspective. If you hear this quote of Feingold though, I think what happened reflects more Feingold's frusration of trying to play by the rules for the last five years and "wait his turn" with current leadership and other powerful elements of the party to show a united front at one point to do what he was wanting to do here (which clearly has a lot of support amongst the American people). From this quote, it sounds like he felt that a pattern of control has been something he's had to fight in the past and felt that in order for him to actually follow through on a censure action, even though he might have LIKED to have done it with more coordinated support, he perceived that with the way things have been going with current Democratic leadership, that this wasn't going to happen if he followed conventions, and therefore did things the way he did, knowing full well that they'd try to come back at him this way.

I say this because what's shown over the last few years to be consistent in terms of track record is the Dems not standing up as a principled opposition to this administration. We've seen it time and time again with the war, the Patriot Act, the Alito and Roberts nominations, etc. During this time, Russ has tried to follow the rules and I really can't think of other instances where he's not tried to work with his colleagues more publicly. Given that, I'm more inclined to believe that he felt that IN THIS INSTANCE, to get things done, he had to work around the party leadership on this. The track record of he and his fellow Democrats I believe support him on this:

Read this article here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Note the following paragraph:

And it's a sign of Feingold's view of some of his Democratic colleagues that he defended his decision not to let them in on his plan. Had they known what he was up to, he said, "they would have planned a strategy to blunt this."


Additionally note in another article all of the following Democrats that chose to censure Bill Clinton! If lying about a BJ warranted censure from one's own party, then why isn't all of the offenses and breaking the law by Bush subject to the same action by the OPPOSITION party?

From: http://www.liberaloasis.com/archives/031206.htm#031506

Daniel Akaka
Max Baucus
Byron Dorgan
Dick Durbin
Dianne Feinstein
Daniel Inouye
Jim Jeffords
Ted Kennedy
John Kerry
Herb Kohl
Mary Landrieu
Carl Levin
Joe Lieberman
Blanche Lincoln
Barbara Mikulski
Patty Murray
Jack Reed
Harry Reid
Jay Rockefeller
Chuck Schumer
Ron Wyden


The bottom line is I believe like a couple of posters at the top, Feingold is now seen as a threat to the corporate establishment. It's not just a "personal" threat to them that they are implying with their public statements of him not wanting to work by the rules. It is his independence (since he takes less campaign money from special interest groups than they, etc.) and his growing popularity in the base of the Democratic Party that's increasingly becoming aware of the "hidden agenda" of some in it to serve others that are more the special interests that pay their way than serving the Democratic constituency and Americans in general. I think they're starting to become aware that more and more Americans are starting to know what the DLC is (I really didn't before Bush was in power!), and why it is a cancer to this party in terms of putting a *wishy washy* agenda, purposely this way, which tries to keep people "complacent" and not give them anything really to mobilize under. Feingold is threatening to be the lightening rod for what constituents see as "the way out" for increasingly frustrated Dems but which is also dangerous to continued corporate special interest control over the party.

I think its really hard to see who amongst all of these Democrats (or even people outside of the pols themselves) is really behind this sort of "pushing" the corporate agenda around, and who is just running scared, and who might otherwise support Feingold if they felt he could render those wielding this agenda powerless to take away their offices by taking away their campaign financing resources. I have a feeling that if and when we can get rid of this dangerous DLC cancer control that is in place, we might later see many of these running scared to come forth and apologize in a measured way for their inability to buck the system the way Feingold's been trying to do so, and to note that his difficulty in doing so is precisely why they were afraid to do it themselves. I only hope that this is in the near future, so I can have a remaining life span that can enjoy life later on instead of dreading a coming dictatorship.
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  -Feingold Envy. JohnnyCougar  Mar-17-06 02:19 AM   #0 
  - I have to recommend your outstanding post.  hang a left   Mar-17-06 02:23 AM   #1 
  - Me too. CALL AGAIN EVERYBODY!!  ClassWarrior   Mar-17-06 04:24 PM   #49 
     - My Senators are both republicans. I already have their answer  liberalpress   Mar-18-06 07:33 AM   #96 
  - Whee  Oversea Visitor   Mar-17-06 02:23 AM   #2 
  - Looks like the weak talking point crew has retired for the night  magellan   Mar-17-06 02:33 AM   #3 
  - I totally agree with what Russ is doing. Let me play devils advocate:  IsItJustMe   Mar-17-06 02:56 AM   #4 
  - It would make him look weak and vulnerable.  JohnnyCougar   Mar-17-06 03:10 AM   #5 
  - The polls, or rather public opinion, is what it should be about.  Usrename   Mar-17-06 06:59 AM   #12 
  - I have also had deep contemplations regarding this statement.  IsItJustMe   Mar-17-06 07:32 AM   #13 
  - I think Russ is aware of this monster.  Usrename   Mar-17-06 07:51 AM   #14 
     - Well, I for one, know that Russ must have Benjamin Franklin in mind.  IsItJustMe   Mar-17-06 08:09 AM   #17 
        - Schoepehauer's 3 Phases of Truth comes to mind also !  EVDebs   Mar-17-06 08:57 PM   #65 
        - Thanks so much for the link to Lapham's article! ....n/t  WiseButAngrySara   Mar-18-06 01:29 AM   #90 
        - Yes, I forgot to thank you.  Usrename   Mar-18-06 07:19 PM   #126 
        - Two...  PassingFair   Mar-18-06 10:43 AM   #100 
        - Congress allowed this fiasco with the two AUMFs  EVDebs   Mar-18-06 11:20 AM   #108 
  - A clarification  dave29   Mar-17-06 10:21 AM   #28 
  - well said username... you've nailed it right on the head..  radio4progressives   Mar-18-06 11:39 AM   #109 
  - Depends on the poll and how it's worded.  smoogatz   Mar-17-06 08:02 AM   #16 
  - Well, thats the problem. I would say that 70% of this country does not  IsItJustMe   Mar-17-06 08:17 AM   #18 
  - Nothing will happen as a result?  Le Taz Hot   Mar-18-06 10:55 AM   #105 
  - kick and recommended!!!  Swamp Rat   Mar-17-06 03:17 AM   #6 
  - Or  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-17-06 09:43 PM   #74 
  - AMEN N/T  APPLE314   Mar-17-06 03:29 AM   #7 
  - Today's Democratic motto - "just sit dow, shut up and take it" Be polite  BigBearJohn   Mar-17-06 04:07 AM   #8 
  - Time for Ted! You are the winning post!  PassingFair   Mar-18-06 10:45 AM   #101 
  - Hammer, meet nail  JNelson6563   Mar-17-06 05:03 AM   #9 
  - It's not just democrats. Last week republicans were trying to distance  B Calm   Mar-17-06 05:07 AM   #10 
  - Or something worse. Perhaps they fear the CIC/executive branch will stand  glitch   Mar-17-06 11:44 AM   #31 
  - Well,  cali   Mar-17-06 05:14 AM   #11 
  - Both Conyers and Feingold have taken courageous stands on,...  Just Me   Mar-17-06 07:57 AM   #15 
  - Speaking truth to power, be assured that even if you stand alone  EVDebs   Mar-17-06 09:00 PM   #66 
  - Good analysis of the talking points  Vinnie From Indy   Mar-17-06 08:47 AM   #19 
  - Great post  FLDem5   Mar-17-06 08:48 AM   #20 
  - You left out - Feingold attacking other Dems publicly  MH1   Mar-17-06 09:36 AM   #21 
  - Concrete matters?  Vinnie From Indy   Mar-17-06 09:55 AM   #22 
  - Yet again, Feingold was right. Publicly right...  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 10:15 AM   #25 
  - Yes, someone must stand up for cowardice.  Usrename   Mar-17-06 10:20 AM   #27 
  - So, double standards are the new standard of Feingold supporters?  MH1   Mar-17-06 10:54 AM   #30 
     - Free speech, you can say what you want. Just don't expect everyone to  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 11:50 AM   #33 
     - See the responses to this thread  MH1   Mar-17-06 12:53 PM   #36 
        - Let me say:  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 02:04 PM   #41 
     - I don't get the double-standard. Really, I don't.  Usrename   Mar-17-06 12:31 PM   #34 
        - I was referring to the idea that Feingold is allowed to publicly bash  MH1   Mar-17-06 12:47 PM   #35 
        - Oh, OK. I didn't quite make the proper connection there.  Usrename   Mar-17-06 01:40 PM   #40 
        - Don't you think we might consider the REASON  PassingFair   Mar-18-06 10:49 AM   #102 
        - Again, very well put.  radio4progressives   Mar-18-06 12:00 PM   #115 
  - With all due respect...  JohnnyCougar   Mar-17-06 01:05 PM   #37 
  - Heh.  MH1   Mar-17-06 01:35 PM   #38 
     - "Cowards"..  sendero   Mar-17-06 06:18 PM   #62 
     - NObody? Thanks for Boxer, Harkin, Murtha, Conyers, Kucinich  Mass   Mar-18-06 05:51 AM   #93 
     - Yes Feingold gets a pass: Time and again. DSM, Alito - next, Kempthorne?  MH1   Mar-18-06 06:40 AM   #94 
     - "(with only brief flashes of good)"  sendero   Mar-18-06 08:03 AM   #98 
     - Do you disagree that the Dems are acting like Cowards?  radio4progressives   Mar-18-06 12:04 PM   #116 
  - Here's what he had to say about calling them out:  jane_pippin   Mar-17-06 05:07 PM   #53 
  - Well, if that's his rationalization,  MH1   Mar-17-06 05:45 PM   #59 
  - Can we get a copy of that list?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-17-06 10:01 PM   #78 
  - There was no "vote for war".  MH1   Mar-18-06 07:28 AM   #95 
  - Correct.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-18-06 10:36 AM   #99 
  - Here's a list for you  MH1   Mar-18-06 07:43 AM   #97 
     - Ah, yes. The "We Were Misled" defense.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-18-06 10:51 AM   #104 
        - Maybe you should tell these people they are wasting there time  ProSense   Mar-18-06 11:00 AM   #106 
        - ???????  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-18-06 03:25 PM   #125 
        - Ah, so Bush's lies are irrelevant? Just because you and Clooney  MH1   Mar-18-06 11:54 AM   #111 
           - Outrageous!  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-18-06 03:23 PM   #124 
  - Thank you for the transcript, very on point ..  radio4progressives   Mar-18-06 12:10 PM   #118 
  - cognitive dissonance and false dichotemy  radio4progressives   Mar-18-06 11:57 AM   #113 
  - It's a sad day when doing the right thing is considered "grand standing"  buddysmellgood   Mar-17-06 10:04 AM   #23 
  - Thanks, absolutely!  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 10:12 AM   #24 
  - holding bush accountable is CLEARLY not on these Dem's minds  leftchick   Mar-17-06 10:17 AM   #26 
  - At least he made a stand  ninkasi   Mar-17-06 10:24 AM   #29 
  - K&R Excellent! We keep asking why the Dems Don't DO Something before we  Trevelyan   Mar-17-06 11:50 AM   #32 
  - 70% of Democrats Support Censure - 48% All Adult Voters Support Censure  radio4progressives   Mar-17-06 01:40 PM   #39 
  - Well, according to certain people here  DrGonzoLives   Mar-17-06 02:07 PM   #42 
  - I really don't think this post is fair, at all  WildEyedLiberal   Mar-17-06 02:25 PM   #43 
  - When did I insult Kerry?  JohnnyCougar   Mar-17-06 03:14 PM   #46 
     - I think all we disagree on  WildEyedLiberal   Mar-17-06 03:23 PM   #47 
  - Thank you, JohnnyCougar!! I couldn't agree more!!!  kiteinthewind   Mar-17-06 02:29 PM   #44 
  - Impeachment points - most are transferable to censure  pat_k   Mar-17-06 03:02 PM   #45 
  - K&R  iconoclastNYC   Mar-17-06 03:25 PM   #48 
  - May I ask an explanation why those like me who are FOR censure are  blm   Mar-17-06 04:30 PM   #50 
  - I don't think so, how many times has he said "first step"  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 05:12 PM   #54 
  - He said censure and MOVE ON - he's not FOR impeachment.  blm   Mar-17-06 05:36 PM   #56 
     - I don't agree, he said "at this point"  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 05:40 PM   #58 
        - He SAID censure and MOVE ON - impeachment is wrong in a time of war.  blm   Mar-17-06 06:06 PM   #60 
  - Maybe because Feingold knows that Impeachment Will Never Happen?  radio4progressives   Mar-18-06 12:28 PM   #121 
  - Feingold said exactly the opposite: impeachment is bad for the country  ProSense   Mar-17-06 04:41 PM   #51 
  - Why didn't you bold this? - "certainly at this point" - that is important  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 05:15 PM   #55 
  - I forgot to bold this  ProSense   Mar-17-06 09:49 PM   #77 
  - "If the president changes course" is the key phrase for me here  antigone382   Mar-18-06 12:22 PM   #120 
  - check in here to cheer RUSS  FogerRox   Mar-17-06 04:48 PM   #52 
  - Stand up for Russ!! Woot! Woot! Woot!!  kiteinthewind   Mar-17-06 06:16 PM   #61 
  - It's also a bit disingenuous when one of the longest threads  karynnj   Mar-17-06 05:39 PM   #57 
  - Kerry has been around longer- easier to find something to bash him for  FogerRox   Mar-17-06 08:05 PM   #63 
     - This time though - it was a new thing- backing Feingold  karynnj   Mar-17-06 09:05 PM   #67 
        - some still carry a grudge against Kerry-- which is why  FogerRox   Mar-17-06 09:21 PM   #71 
  - He has my support  free_belmont   Mar-17-06 08:13 PM   #64 
  - Yawn. Dem bashing is so tiresome n/t  politicasista   Mar-17-06 09:06 PM   #68 
  - Because I support all Democrats  free_belmont   Mar-17-06 09:46 PM   #75 
     - Oh wait...  Vektor   Mar-17-06 10:05 PM   #80 
        - if you don't support Bush  free_belmont   Mar-17-06 10:24 PM   #82 
           - Are you sure you mean me?  Vektor   Mar-17-06 10:31 PM   #84 
  - Really?  Vektor   Mar-17-06 09:13 PM   #69 
  - Lieberman is not a Democrat  free_belmont   Mar-17-06 09:34 PM   #73 
     - Wow...  Vektor   Mar-17-06 10:04 PM   #79 
        - except for Kerry  free_belmont   Mar-17-06 10:22 PM   #81 
           - Not really...  Vektor   Mar-17-06 10:29 PM   #83 
              - if you must know  free_belmont   Mar-17-06 11:45 PM   #86 
                 - Zell....  Vektor   Mar-18-06 12:17 AM   #87 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-18-06 12:20 AM   #88 
  - You support Lieberman over Kerry? Good for you  Mass   Mar-18-06 05:36 AM   #92 
     - Lieberman is not a Democrat  free_belmont   Mar-18-06 11:07 AM   #107 
        - No chance? Surely you jest.  MH1   Mar-18-06 12:06 PM   #117 
           - Lieberman is a Democrat  free_belmont   Mar-18-06 12:17 PM   #119 
  - I know, Johnny.  Vektor   Mar-17-06 09:15 PM   #70 
  - Thank you!!! I got tired of being labelled a freep for supporting Feingold  NoodleyAppendage   Mar-17-06 09:27 PM   #72 
  - K&R  bvar22   Mar-17-06 09:47 PM   #76 
  - Feingold has stated he was concerned about his strategy being "blunted"...  calipendence   Mar-17-06 11:13 PM   #85 
  - His independence IS a problem for them, whoever 'they' are  msgadget   Mar-18-06 02:40 AM   #91 
  - Lots and lots of very dry powder  upi402   Mar-18-06 12:21 AM   #89 
  - During Times Of Universal Deceit, Telling The Truth Becomes  Beelzebud   Mar-18-06 10:49 AM   #103 
  - You are wrong on #'s 1 and 2...and correct on # 3 IMO...  SaveElmer   Mar-18-06 11:47 AM   #110 
  - which Democrat do you think  free_belmont   Mar-18-06 11:58 AM   #114 
     - Another straw man...and more Hillary obsession...  SaveElmer   Mar-18-06 01:39 PM   #123 
  - I support someone else for 2008 (if he runs).....and I support  FrenchieCat   Mar-18-06 11:56 AM   #112 
     - Hi Frenchie!  Vektor   Mar-18-06 01:30 PM   #122 
        - Good, Good!  FrenchieCat   Mar-19-06 03:21 AM   #127 
 

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