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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. Heh.
Many, many threads at DU and dkos have treated Russ as a hero for his statement, and have equated his statement with calling Democrats cowards.

I strongly disagree with Feingold making that statement publicly - whether or not one equates "cowering" with "coward" or "cowardice". (Say the words one after another. They won't be equated in people's minds? Come on. But, regardless.)

I don't believe it was high time - because I don't believe it is true. One might say that Feingold "cowered" on Alito, by refusing to use his Judiciary Comittee position to push a filibuster...or on Roberts by voting for him. But I would disagree with those too. I can criticize Feingold's, or anyone else's position without making a broad brush attack on their character or will. Perhaps - could it be? - the person just holds a different position on the issue.

So, we disagree on that one.

As for the other items on the agenda, we may not have changed the votes - or possibly we could have moved one more moderate republican on paygo, and no, Landrieu (D) voted for the budget with ANWR drilling included - BUT we could have drawn more media attention while the issues were topical. Those votes are history now, and any activism will have much less effect now than when the bills were live.

Originally I was cheering the censure move by Feingold. But I don't like him attacking other Dems, and the more I know about how it came about, the less I think that what he did was "right" at this time.

Anyway the main purpose of my post was literally to point out these other reasons for disagreeing with Feingold's move. You don't have to agree with my take on them, but they are other reasons that have been raised on other threads.
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  -Feingold Envy. JohnnyCougar  Mar-17-06 02:19 AM   #0 
  - I have to recommend your outstanding post.  hang a left   Mar-17-06 02:23 AM   #1 
  - Me too. CALL AGAIN EVERYBODY!!  ClassWarrior   Mar-17-06 04:24 PM   #49 
     - My Senators are both republicans. I already have their answer  liberalpress   Mar-18-06 07:33 AM   #96 
  - Whee  Oversea Visitor   Mar-17-06 02:23 AM   #2 
  - Looks like the weak talking point crew has retired for the night  magellan   Mar-17-06 02:33 AM   #3 
  - I totally agree with what Russ is doing. Let me play devils advocate:  IsItJustMe   Mar-17-06 02:56 AM   #4 
  - It would make him look weak and vulnerable.  JohnnyCougar   Mar-17-06 03:10 AM   #5 
  - The polls, or rather public opinion, is what it should be about.  Usrename   Mar-17-06 06:59 AM   #12 
  - I have also had deep contemplations regarding this statement.  IsItJustMe   Mar-17-06 07:32 AM   #13 
  - I think Russ is aware of this monster.  Usrename   Mar-17-06 07:51 AM   #14 
     - Well, I for one, know that Russ must have Benjamin Franklin in mind.  IsItJustMe   Mar-17-06 08:09 AM   #17 
        - Schoepehauer's 3 Phases of Truth comes to mind also !  EVDebs   Mar-17-06 08:57 PM   #65 
        - Thanks so much for the link to Lapham's article! ....n/t  WiseButAngrySara   Mar-18-06 01:29 AM   #90 
        - Yes, I forgot to thank you.  Usrename   Mar-18-06 07:19 PM   #126 
        - Two...  PassingFair   Mar-18-06 10:43 AM   #100 
        - Congress allowed this fiasco with the two AUMFs  EVDebs   Mar-18-06 11:20 AM   #108 
  - A clarification  dave29   Mar-17-06 10:21 AM   #28 
  - well said username... you've nailed it right on the head..  radio4progressives   Mar-18-06 11:39 AM   #109 
  - Depends on the poll and how it's worded.  smoogatz   Mar-17-06 08:02 AM   #16 
  - Well, thats the problem. I would say that 70% of this country does not  IsItJustMe   Mar-17-06 08:17 AM   #18 
  - Nothing will happen as a result?  Le Taz Hot   Mar-18-06 10:55 AM   #105 
  - kick and recommended!!!  Swamp Rat   Mar-17-06 03:17 AM   #6 
  - Or  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-17-06 09:43 PM   #74 
  - AMEN N/T  APPLE314   Mar-17-06 03:29 AM   #7 
  - Today's Democratic motto - "just sit dow, shut up and take it" Be polite  BigBearJohn   Mar-17-06 04:07 AM   #8 
  - Time for Ted! You are the winning post!  PassingFair   Mar-18-06 10:45 AM   #101 
  - Hammer, meet nail  JNelson6563   Mar-17-06 05:03 AM   #9 
  - It's not just democrats. Last week republicans were trying to distance  B Calm   Mar-17-06 05:07 AM   #10 
  - Or something worse. Perhaps they fear the CIC/executive branch will stand  glitch   Mar-17-06 11:44 AM   #31 
  - Well,  cali   Mar-17-06 05:14 AM   #11 
  - Both Conyers and Feingold have taken courageous stands on,...  Just Me   Mar-17-06 07:57 AM   #15 
  - Speaking truth to power, be assured that even if you stand alone  EVDebs   Mar-17-06 09:00 PM   #66 
  - Good analysis of the talking points  Vinnie From Indy   Mar-17-06 08:47 AM   #19 
  - Great post  FLDem5   Mar-17-06 08:48 AM   #20 
  - You left out - Feingold attacking other Dems publicly  MH1   Mar-17-06 09:36 AM   #21 
  - Concrete matters?  Vinnie From Indy   Mar-17-06 09:55 AM   #22 
  - Yet again, Feingold was right. Publicly right...  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 10:15 AM   #25 
  - Yes, someone must stand up for cowardice.  Usrename   Mar-17-06 10:20 AM   #27 
  - So, double standards are the new standard of Feingold supporters?  MH1   Mar-17-06 10:54 AM   #30 
     - Free speech, you can say what you want. Just don't expect everyone to  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 11:50 AM   #33 
     - See the responses to this thread  MH1   Mar-17-06 12:53 PM   #36 
        - Let me say:  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 02:04 PM   #41 
     - I don't get the double-standard. Really, I don't.  Usrename   Mar-17-06 12:31 PM   #34 
        - I was referring to the idea that Feingold is allowed to publicly bash  MH1   Mar-17-06 12:47 PM   #35 
        - Oh, OK. I didn't quite make the proper connection there.  Usrename   Mar-17-06 01:40 PM   #40 
        - Don't you think we might consider the REASON  PassingFair   Mar-18-06 10:49 AM   #102 
        - Again, very well put.  radio4progressives   Mar-18-06 12:00 PM   #115 
  - With all due respect...  JohnnyCougar   Mar-17-06 01:05 PM   #37 
  - Heh.  MH1   Mar-17-06 01:35 PM   #38 
     - "Cowards"..  sendero   Mar-17-06 06:18 PM   #62 
     - NObody? Thanks for Boxer, Harkin, Murtha, Conyers, Kucinich  Mass   Mar-18-06 05:51 AM   #93 
     - Yes Feingold gets a pass: Time and again. DSM, Alito - next, Kempthorne?  MH1   Mar-18-06 06:40 AM   #94 
     - "(with only brief flashes of good)"  sendero   Mar-18-06 08:03 AM   #98 
     - Do you disagree that the Dems are acting like Cowards?  radio4progressives   Mar-18-06 12:04 PM   #116 
  - Here's what he had to say about calling them out:  jane_pippin   Mar-17-06 05:07 PM   #53 
  - Well, if that's his rationalization,  MH1   Mar-17-06 05:45 PM   #59 
  - Can we get a copy of that list?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-17-06 10:01 PM   #78 
  - There was no "vote for war".  MH1   Mar-18-06 07:28 AM   #95 
  - Correct.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-18-06 10:36 AM   #99 
  - Here's a list for you  MH1   Mar-18-06 07:43 AM   #97 
     - Ah, yes. The "We Were Misled" defense.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-18-06 10:51 AM   #104 
        - Maybe you should tell these people they are wasting there time  ProSense   Mar-18-06 11:00 AM   #106 
        - ???????  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-18-06 03:25 PM   #125 
        - Ah, so Bush's lies are irrelevant? Just because you and Clooney  MH1   Mar-18-06 11:54 AM   #111 
           - Outrageous!  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-18-06 03:23 PM   #124 
  - Thank you for the transcript, very on point ..  radio4progressives   Mar-18-06 12:10 PM   #118 
  - cognitive dissonance and false dichotemy  radio4progressives   Mar-18-06 11:57 AM   #113 
  - It's a sad day when doing the right thing is considered "grand standing"  buddysmellgood   Mar-17-06 10:04 AM   #23 
  - Thanks, absolutely!  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 10:12 AM   #24 
  - holding bush accountable is CLEARLY not on these Dem's minds  leftchick   Mar-17-06 10:17 AM   #26 
  - At least he made a stand  ninkasi   Mar-17-06 10:24 AM   #29 
  - K&R Excellent! We keep asking why the Dems Don't DO Something before we  Trevelyan   Mar-17-06 11:50 AM   #32 
  - 70% of Democrats Support Censure - 48% All Adult Voters Support Censure  radio4progressives   Mar-17-06 01:40 PM   #39 
  - Well, according to certain people here  DrGonzoLives   Mar-17-06 02:07 PM   #42 
  - I really don't think this post is fair, at all  WildEyedLiberal   Mar-17-06 02:25 PM   #43 
  - When did I insult Kerry?  JohnnyCougar   Mar-17-06 03:14 PM   #46 
     - I think all we disagree on  WildEyedLiberal   Mar-17-06 03:23 PM   #47 
  - Thank you, JohnnyCougar!! I couldn't agree more!!!  kiteinthewind   Mar-17-06 02:29 PM   #44 
  - Impeachment points - most are transferable to censure  pat_k   Mar-17-06 03:02 PM   #45 
  - K&R  iconoclastNYC   Mar-17-06 03:25 PM   #48 
  - May I ask an explanation why those like me who are FOR censure are  blm   Mar-17-06 04:30 PM   #50 
  - I don't think so, how many times has he said "first step"  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 05:12 PM   #54 
  - He said censure and MOVE ON - he's not FOR impeachment.  blm   Mar-17-06 05:36 PM   #56 
     - I don't agree, he said "at this point"  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 05:40 PM   #58 
        - He SAID censure and MOVE ON - impeachment is wrong in a time of war.  blm   Mar-17-06 06:06 PM   #60 
  - Maybe because Feingold knows that Impeachment Will Never Happen?  radio4progressives   Mar-18-06 12:28 PM   #121 
  - Feingold said exactly the opposite: impeachment is bad for the country  ProSense   Mar-17-06 04:41 PM   #51 
  - Why didn't you bold this? - "certainly at this point" - that is important  jsamuel   Mar-17-06 05:15 PM   #55 
  - I forgot to bold this  ProSense   Mar-17-06 09:49 PM   #77 
  - "If the president changes course" is the key phrase for me here  antigone382   Mar-18-06 12:22 PM   #120 
  - check in here to cheer RUSS  FogerRox   Mar-17-06 04:48 PM   #52 
  - Stand up for Russ!! Woot! Woot! Woot!!  kiteinthewind   Mar-17-06 06:16 PM   #61 
  - It's also a bit disingenuous when one of the longest threads  karynnj   Mar-17-06 05:39 PM   #57 
  - Kerry has been around longer- easier to find something to bash him for  FogerRox   Mar-17-06 08:05 PM   #63 
     - This time though - it was a new thing- backing Feingold  karynnj   Mar-17-06 09:05 PM   #67 
        - some still carry a grudge against Kerry-- which is why  FogerRox   Mar-17-06 09:21 PM   #71 
  - He has my support  free_belmont   Mar-17-06 08:13 PM   #64 
  - Yawn. Dem bashing is so tiresome n/t  politicasista   Mar-17-06 09:06 PM   #68 
  - Because I support all Democrats  free_belmont   Mar-17-06 09:46 PM   #75 
     - Oh wait...  Vektor   Mar-17-06 10:05 PM   #80 
        - if you don't support Bush  free_belmont   Mar-17-06 10:24 PM   #82 
           - Are you sure you mean me?  Vektor   Mar-17-06 10:31 PM   #84 
  - Really?  Vektor   Mar-17-06 09:13 PM   #69 
  - Lieberman is not a Democrat  free_belmont   Mar-17-06 09:34 PM   #73 
     - Wow...  Vektor   Mar-17-06 10:04 PM   #79 
        - except for Kerry  free_belmont   Mar-17-06 10:22 PM   #81 
           - Not really...  Vektor   Mar-17-06 10:29 PM   #83 
              - if you must know  free_belmont   Mar-17-06 11:45 PM   #86 
                 - Zell....  Vektor   Mar-18-06 12:17 AM   #87 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-18-06 12:20 AM   #88 
  - You support Lieberman over Kerry? Good for you  Mass   Mar-18-06 05:36 AM   #92 
     - Lieberman is not a Democrat  free_belmont   Mar-18-06 11:07 AM   #107 
        - No chance? Surely you jest.  MH1   Mar-18-06 12:06 PM   #117 
           - Lieberman is a Democrat  free_belmont   Mar-18-06 12:17 PM   #119 
  - I know, Johnny.  Vektor   Mar-17-06 09:15 PM   #70 
  - Thank you!!! I got tired of being labelled a freep for supporting Feingold  NoodleyAppendage   Mar-17-06 09:27 PM   #72 
  - K&R  bvar22   Mar-17-06 09:47 PM   #76 
  - Feingold has stated he was concerned about his strategy being "blunted"...  calipendence   Mar-17-06 11:13 PM   #85 
  - His independence IS a problem for them, whoever 'they' are  msgadget   Mar-18-06 02:40 AM   #91 
  - Lots and lots of very dry powder  upi402   Mar-18-06 12:21 AM   #89 
  - During Times Of Universal Deceit, Telling The Truth Becomes  Beelzebud   Mar-18-06 10:49 AM   #103 
  - You are wrong on #'s 1 and 2...and correct on # 3 IMO...  SaveElmer   Mar-18-06 11:47 AM   #110 
  - which Democrat do you think  free_belmont   Mar-18-06 11:58 AM   #114 
     - Another straw man...and more Hillary obsession...  SaveElmer   Mar-18-06 01:39 PM   #123 
  - I support someone else for 2008 (if he runs).....and I support  FrenchieCat   Mar-18-06 11:56 AM   #112 
     - Hi Frenchie!  Vektor   Mar-18-06 01:30 PM   #122 
        - Good, Good!  FrenchieCat   Mar-19-06 03:21 AM   #127 
 

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