Democratic Underground Latest Threads
Latest
Greatest Threads
Greatest
Lobby
Lobby
Journals
Journals
Search
Search
Options
Options
Help
Help
Login
Login
Google

Yes it CAN Happen Here – The Impending Death of American Democracy [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
First thread | Last thread
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jan-06-06 12:48 PM
Original message
Yes it CAN Happen Here – The Impending Death of American DemocracyUpdated at 9:01 PM
Advertisements [?]
Germany became a dictatorship in the early 1930s, and a few years later became perhaps the most brutal regime in world history, not because the German people were inherently evil, but because ordinary people by the millions sat passively by as their democracy was stolen from them piece by piece. The German people did not want war, and the good majority of them did not want mass murder either. But psychological denial is a ubiquitous human weakness, and as the atrocities became worse and more frequent, too many Germans simply refused to see or to admit what was happening. As Herman Goering said at the Nuremburg trials at which he was sentenced to death:

Naturally the common people don’t want war … but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along… All you have to do is to tell them that they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger… It works the same in any country.

Sound familiar? Too many people refused to see what was happening until it was too late. And that is why it was allowed to happen. Is our country so different from Germany in the 1930s that it couldn’t happen here? Most American apparently think so. I don’t, and here are some reasons why:


We are well on our way to dictatorship and few Americans seem to notice or care

For example, consider the way that Bush handled the signing of a recent Defense Department bill that included an amendment by John McCain which prohibited torture of detainees in U.S. custody. Bush signed the bill, but included a “signing statement” which declared that he retains the right to determine when an exception needs to be made to the torture ban (Thank you to Generator for posting that analysis).

Or consider Bush’s decision to bypass the need for FISA warrants when he decides to use the NSA to spy on American citizens, as recently reported. In a nationally televised address, Bush defended his right to ignore the law in these cases in order to fulfill his obligation to protect American citizens against terrorists. Yet he has never explained why he needs to ignore the law in order to protect us against terrorists. And given the ease with which Bush has been able to obtain FISA warrants, the most plausible reason for his choosing to bypass them, as explained in this insightful analysis by understandinglife, is his desire to spy on his domestic political opponents.

What these examples have in common is that Bush has determined that he has the right to exempt himself from any law as long as he CLAIMS that he is doing it to protect American citizens during wartime. Since our current “War on Terrorism” is not likely to end any time in the foreseeable future, that means that Bush is claiming this right for an indefinite period of time. And as kliljedahl has pointed out in a recent post, if he can unilaterally take away the Fourth Amendment rights of American citizens against unreasonable search and seizure, what is to prevent him from unilaterally taking away ALL of our constitutional rights? – as long as he claims that he is doing it to protect us. And isn’t this the definition of dictatorship?

But what is even more troubling to me than Bush’s actions is the lack of reaction against them. This should be a scandal of the highest magnitude. Yet all we hear from Congress is murmurings about impeachment, our news media doesn’t appear to think that this is a major problem, and there isn’t much outrage among most of the populace either.

Where is the outrage? If Bush can get away with this, might he not eventually decide to dismiss Patrick Fitzgerald’s investigation into the numerous crimes of his Administration? – for national security reasons of course. Or how about calling off the 2006 and 2008 elections because they endanger our security? What would stop him from doing that? As Senator Feingold recently said:

The President believes that he has the right to override the laws that Congress has passed. This is not how our democratic system of government works. The President does not get to pick and choose which laws he wants to follow. He is a president, not a king.

This is very similar to an earlier statement made by Al Gore on Bush’s policy of pre-emptive war, where he called it a doctrine that would replace “a world in which states consider themselves subject to law” with “the notion that there is no law but the discretion of the President of the United States.” In other words, Bush’s attitudes towards domestic law and international law are pretty much identical: Laws do not apply to him.


The Bush regime has much in common with Nazi Germany of the 1930s

A few months ago I posted this comparison of the Bush regime with the Nazis of the 1930s. Differences and similarities are cited. Among the similarities are:
 Lied to their country to justify going to war
 Extra-ordinary control over the national news media
 Utter contempt for international opinion
 Ascension to and maintenance of power was illegitimate (Bush’s more so)
 Used a terrorist attack as an excuse to assume dictatorial powers
 Appealed to virulent nationalistic impulses of their people in order to maintain their power
 Policies reflect great callousness towards the well being of the most vulnerable citizens of their country


Our national news media is way too servile to the regime

Bill Moyers, in his editorial entitled “The Fight of Our Lives”, notes that the protection offered us by our First Amendment is based on the assumption of a separation of our government and a free press, which is supposed to protect us from government abuses. Moyers goes on:

What would happen, however, if the contending giants of big government and big publishing and broadcasting ever joined hands, ever saw eye to eye in putting the public's need for news second to free-market economics? That's exactly what's happening now under the ideological banner of "deregulation". Giant media conglomerates that our founders could not possibly have envisioned are finding common cause with an imperial state in a betrothal certain to produce not the sons and daughters of liberty but the very kind of bastards that issued from the old arranged marriage of church and state.

Consider the situation. Never has there been an administration so disciplined in secrecy, so precisely in lockstep in keeping information from the people at large and -- in defiance of the Constitution -- from their representatives in Congress. Never has the powerful media oligopoly ... been so unabashed in reaching like Caesar for still more wealth and power. Never have hand and glove fitted together so comfortably to manipulate free political debate, sow contempt for the idea of government itself, and trivialize the peoples' need to know.



Our election system – the basis for our democracy – is largely broken

Today we find ourselves in a situation where votes are counted by computer software that is written in secret and made inaccessible to the public, with the rationale that the machines and software that count our votes are “proprietary”. Is that situation different than giving one Party a box of paper ballots and allowing them to count them and determine the winner in private?

The corporations that make the computers and software that count our votes donate large amounts of money to the Republican Party. Some of these men are convicted felons. And nobody questions the fact that it is possible to secretly program their computers to rig an election.

Our Republican legislators fight tooth and nail to maintain the right of THEIR voting machine companies to count our votes using secret, proprietary software. Does that sound like a democracy? Yet few of our citizens are alarmed about this. What possible reason could there be for fighting for the right to count our votes with secret software other than the intention to steal elections?


Conclusions

History shows us that most civilizations eventually fail, and that republics frequently turn into dictatorships. It is doubtful that the United States is immune to this fate, and it is currently showing many signs that dictatorship may be just around the corner. It is yet possible that we may reverse course and maintain our democracy and our constitution. If so, it will take a willingness to confront the seriousness of our situation, and a lot of commitment and courage from of a lot of people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
  Yes it CAN Happen Here – The Impending Death of American Democracy Time for change  Jan-06-06 12:48 PM   #0 
   recommended.....  LeftHander   Jan-06-06 12:55 PM   #1 
   LeftHander, I don't think a fascist Supreme Court is the end of democracy.  Peace Patriot   Jan-06-06 03:41 PM   #16 
      Very good point...  LeftHander   Jan-06-06 04:08 PM   #18 
      "We are in a constitutional crisis right now"  Time for change   Jan-07-06 12:38 PM   #60 
      And we can do this without the federal government  thefool_wa   Jan-06-06 06:56 PM   #27 
         That sounds great - but I have a question about it  Time for change   Jan-06-06 07:02 PM   #28 
         Great Question  thefool_wa   Jan-06-06 07:11 PM   #29 
         Yeah, I think I know what you're talking about  Time for change   Jan-06-06 07:54 PM   #30 
            It's quite simple  thefool_wa   Jan-06-06 08:28 PM   #33 
               Nothing against the second ammendment but  Time for change   Jan-06-06 08:34 PM   #35 
                  I see where you are coming from  thefool_wa   Jan-06-06 08:43 PM   #37 
                     The 2nd  moriverrat   Jan-07-06 01:56 PM   #65 
                        All the more reason  thefool_wa   Jan-07-06 02:38 PM   #70 
         BEWARE the Constitutional Amendment  Martin Eden   Jan-06-06 08:08 PM   #31 
            Yes, you very well may be right about  Time for change   Jan-06-06 08:12 PM   #32 
            2nd Amendment  thefool_wa   Jan-06-06 08:32 PM   #34 
         Could state referendum elections be used in this process?  moriverrat   Jan-07-06 01:43 PM   #63 
   Do we really know how many have protested the illegal wiretaps?  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jan-06-06 12:56 PM   #2 
   At least 160,000, per democrats.org:  babylonsister   Jan-06-06 01:02 PM   #4 
   Great questions  Time for change   Jan-06-06 02:33 PM   #12 
   Your argument is sound. The big question, as you suggest  ugarte   Jan-06-06 01:01 PM   #3 
   Well, I would certainly hope that if there is a surge of military  Time for change   Jan-06-06 11:21 PM   #45 
   Bravo! Recommended!  Cleita   Jan-06-06 01:03 PM   #5 
   I agree absolutely  Time for change   Jan-06-06 04:31 PM   #19 
   Whats amazing to me is how many would let it happen willingly  Ksec   Jan-06-06 01:08 PM   #6 
   Yet I believe that a great many Republicans are very ignorant as to what  Time for change   Jan-06-06 10:22 PM   #42 
   excellent summary  corkhead   Jan-06-06 01:20 PM   #7 
   Perhaps -- you never know  Time for change   Jan-06-06 05:02 PM   #20 
   "What happened was the gradual habituation of the people,  McKenzie   Jan-06-06 01:33 PM   #8 
   That sounds frighteningly familiar to our current circumstances  Time for change   Jan-06-06 05:43 PM   #21 
   One More: When you look behind the curtain, the same families are involved  Junkdrawer   Jan-06-06 01:38 PM   #9 
   CREEPY. Looking up Nazi business partner of Prescott Bush, I found...  yurbud   Jan-07-06 04:43 PM   #80 
   They have gotten away with murder for four years. What's a little trashing  Beam Me Up   Jan-06-06 01:43 PM   #10 
   Why do you think that an election might not help?  Time for change   Jan-07-06 08:29 AM   #53 
      It would "help," not denying that.  Beam Me Up   Jan-07-06 02:35 PM   #69 
         I agree with you that our country needs a total overhaul of the way it  Time for change   Jan-07-06 03:11 PM   #72 
            Yes, a bit less optimistic, but not totally pessimistic. Despite deaths of  Beam Me Up   Jan-07-06 04:08 PM   #79 
               Yes, I do believe that the main point of that book is correct  Time for change   Jan-07-06 09:45 PM   #82 
   Go read, "It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis  FSogol   Jan-06-06 01:50 PM   #11 
   They Thought they Were Free by Mayer is worth a read too  justabob   Jan-06-06 02:39 PM   #13 
   Thank you -- I'll put it on my list  Time for change   Jan-06-06 06:43 PM   #24 
   Here are a couple of more ideas  Time for change   Jan-06-06 02:59 PM   #14 
   I think the danger is real, and the parallels are truly scary. However,  Peace Patriot   Jan-06-06 03:18 PM   #15 
   Very interesting ideas - I agree with much of what you say  Time for change   Jan-06-06 03:45 PM   #17 
   Superb compilation. Even your username fits. K & R with thanks.  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-06-06 06:03 PM   #22 
   Very interesting information -- Thank you  Time for change   Jan-06-06 09:44 PM   #41 
   An important caution to us all: HITLER never got over about 1/3 of votes  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-06-06 06:08 PM   #23 
   No electronic voting machines in the 1930s  Time for change   Jan-07-06 06:18 AM   #52 
      I grew up believing that Hitler had been a popular choice in Germany  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-07-06 01:52 PM   #64 
         I fear that you are right -- It's very hard to visualize this regime  Time for change   Jan-07-06 03:15 PM   #73 
            My view is that if we allow them to continue building their structure  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-07-06 03:52 PM   #75 
               I agree  Time for change   Jan-07-06 03:58 PM   #77 
   Get ready for some outrage  thefool_wa   Jan-06-06 06:46 PM   #25 
   Stand Together and Stop the Madness!  Marleyb   Jan-06-06 06:53 PM   #26 
   It aint happenin' unless we get a branch of gov  Ksec   Jan-06-06 08:42 PM   #36 
      I think that in a fair election we would win big in 06  Time for change   Jan-07-06 02:02 AM   #47 
   History Channel showing rise of Hitler now  yorkiemommie1   Jan-06-06 08:47 PM   #38 
   Maybe if enough people keep pointing out the similarities to them  Time for change   Jan-07-06 04:04 AM   #50 
   Most excellent commentary-needs to be spoken on the  carolinalady   Jan-06-06 09:09 PM   #39 
   I agree, this impeachment thing needs to get moving  Time for change   Jan-07-06 10:06 AM   #54 
   This is not happening as I am not going to let it.  lonestarnot   Jan-06-06 09:13 PM   #40 
   Another key facet of developments, too rarely considered: the MILITARY  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-06-06 10:32 PM   #43 
   This is true -- the military could be very important here  Time for change   Jan-06-06 10:43 PM   #44 
   Yes,  Mme. Defarge   Jan-07-06 11:16 PM   #88 
      They might not have to fire - they could just use the Patriot act  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-08-06 05:24 PM   #91 
   ***WHAT SIBEL EDMONDS IS SAYING relevant to this thread:  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-06-06 11:37 PM   #46 
   It seems like more dirt comes out on these weasels every day  Time for change   Jan-07-06 12:24 PM   #59 
   very well written TFC, I am using it to reply all on rightwing emails  Ouabache   Jan-07-06 02:28 AM   #48 
   Great -- I sincerely hope that this (or any argument for that matter)  Time for change   Jan-07-06 11:13 AM   #57 
   Superb. K&R&B.  understandinglife   Jan-07-06 03:21 AM   #49 
   I come to DU for valuable threads such as this.  LeahD   Jan-07-06 04:14 AM   #51 
   This is an amazing look at our current situation.  im10ashus   Jan-07-06 10:08 AM   #55 
   An excellent, thought-provoking post. Thank you. Could I ask  Wordie   Jan-07-06 10:51 AM   #56 
   Thank you for those ideas - a lot to think about  Time for change   Jan-07-06 12:06 PM   #58 
      Yes, you're quite right: two different points for two different audiences.  Wordie   Jan-07-06 02:22 PM   #67 
         I appreciate your work on this  Time for change   Jan-07-06 10:45 PM   #84 
   It can happen here,  area51   Jan-07-06 12:50 PM   #61 
   Hear Hear! most excellent analysis!  Uncle Joe   Jan-07-06 01:34 PM   #62 
   There is dangerous complacency about the ruling cabal surrendering power  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-07-06 01:58 PM   #66 
   I agree with that to a large extent  Time for change   Jan-07-06 11:02 PM   #87 
   This is a little late to the show.  The Stranger   Jan-07-06 02:30 PM   #68 
   Ummmm  Time for change   Jan-07-06 10:56 PM   #86 
   The ignorance and complacency of the American public MUST be  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-08-06 05:08 PM   #90 
   Excellent job TFC!  mod mom   Jan-07-06 02:42 PM   #71 
   Complacency is biggest ally of Bush--read first 26 pages of NIGHT by Elie  yurbud   Jan-07-06 03:27 PM   #74 
   Yes, I believe that is exactly right  Time for change   Jan-07-06 03:54 PM   #76 
   American democracy was stillborn.  K-W   Jan-07-06 04:01 PM   #78 
   You have a good point there  Time for change   Jan-07-06 09:30 PM   #81 
   Thank You!  Mme. Defarge   Jan-07-06 10:22 PM   #83 
   Well, I like to think that at least we have the potential to change things  Time for change   Jan-07-06 10:52 PM   #85 
      I DO believe we h ave the potential to change things, and I believe some  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-08-06 05:30 PM   #92 
         Yes, there is always hope  Time for change   Jan-08-06 05:50 PM   #93 
   kick nt  Bill Bored   Jan-08-06 01:43 PM   #89 
   Right! Wake up DUers!  Independent_Liberal   Jan-08-06 06:41 PM   #94 
 

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals  |  Links  |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2009 Democratic Underground, LLC