johnaries
(1000+ posts)
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Thu Mar-16-06 04:12 AM
Response to Original message |
| 125. These are trying times, for all of us. |
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The tension here on DU is just a symptom of our frustration. However, the "you are with us or against us" meme is a Neo-Con tactic and is a dangerous road.
Since DU has the wonderful new Journal feature, I noticed while adding some of my previous posts that I could be considered a "flip-flopper". I had one post saying "we should all vote Dem this election", and I had another post saying "I am proud that Dems can't agree, because it proves that we are Independent Thinkers".
To be honest, I still think that we need to maintain our Independent Thinking. However, if we want to accomplish something, we have to learn to COMPROMISE. Our nation was built on compromise. The Constitution is nothing more than a series of compromises.
When 2 sides take opposing positions, usually the Truth lies somewhere in between. When both parties can come to a compromise, the compromise is usually much closer to the Truth than either side.
All of us here on DU are very passionate about our beliefs. That's why we are here. But no one here will argue against the fact that our nation is under attack from within, and that the very foundations of our Democracy are at stake. If we want to reach a viable strategy we need to be able to discuss the issues dispassionately and learn to find a working compromise that we all can live with and support.
At the same time, we must realize that every now and then everyone just needs to "vent". All of us sooner or later come to DU to vent their frustrations, because we know we are among friends and at least someone here will sympathize with our frustrations.
However, after we have vented our frustrations, we all need to just "let them go" and figure out a way to work together to solve this mess that our country is in. In extreme circumstances, sometimes the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a very useful axiom.
So, let's all vent our frustrations and get them out of our systems, then apologize to those you've pissed off, and have a group hug. And then decide TOGETHER just what the hell we're going to do to solve this mess TOGETHER. NOBODY is going to be 100% happy - except maybe the RW'ers if we can't learn to work together. We need to "prioritize." Let's solve the immediate problems, and then we can argue among ourselves on the minor details.
Questioning someone else's dedication is counter-productive. "You are with us or against us" is a Karl Rove tactic. Don't fall into that trap.
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This post may be a complete and total waste of time... |
WilliamPitt |
Mar-15-06 03:35 PM |
#0 |

why do you hate America, Will? |
northzax |
Mar-15-06 03:37 PM |
#1 |
 
He is helping the terrorists! |
usregimechange |
Mar-15-06 05:47 PM |
#101 |

See, trouble with you Will, is that you try to make rational sense. |
benburch |
Mar-15-06 03:37 PM |
#2 |
 
I think people just get frustrated. |
Midlodemocrat |
Mar-15-06 03:41 PM |
#7 |
  
I agree that it's mostly frustration and misplaced anger |
Raksha |
Mar-15-06 03:56 PM |
#48 |
 
I sure do miss the |
liberalnurse |
Mar-15-06 03:41 PM |
#9 |

Nader sucks |
WilliamPitt |
Mar-15-06 03:42 PM |
#14 |

How DARE you attack... |
benburch |
Mar-15-06 03:47 PM |
#25 |
 
YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST NADER SUCKING |
WilliamPitt |
Mar-15-06 03:47 PM |
#28 |

Ahhhh yes...... |
liberalnurse |
Mar-15-06 04:15 PM |
#63 |

I support Feingold |
Pharaoh |
Mar-15-06 03:38 PM |
#3 |
 
I like eggs |
WilliamPitt |
Mar-15-06 03:39 PM |
#4 |

Oh so your an egg lover! |
Pharaoh |
Mar-15-06 03:50 PM |
#32 |

YOU EAT CHICKEN EMBRYOS????? |
Horse with no Name |
Mar-15-06 03:57 PM |
#49 |

once again I find myself thanking you |
JitterbugPerfume |
Mar-15-06 03:40 PM |
#5 |

While I agree strongly with your statements, |
missb |
Mar-15-06 03:40 PM |
#6 |
 
LOL. |
Midlodemocrat |
Mar-15-06 03:41 PM |
#10 |
 
I triple-dog dare you |
WilliamPitt |
Mar-15-06 03:42 PM |
#12 |
  
Will. I've got your back. |
Midlodemocrat |
Mar-15-06 03:42 PM |
#15 |
 
No fair. |
missb |
Mar-15-06 03:44 PM |
#20 |
 
LOL. |
Midlodemocrat |
Mar-15-06 03:44 PM |
#22 |
 
You'd probably make it to the Greatest page in about half a second. |
deadparrot |
Mar-15-06 03:43 PM |
#18 |

Well, some of us ARE wild eyed fruit loops. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 03:41 PM |
#8 |
 
Um, don't you mean "froot loops?" |
im10ashus |
Mar-15-06 04:32 PM |
#70 |
  
See? We can't spell plain English. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 04:33 PM |
#71 |
 
Skuuuse me... |
WilliamPitt |
Mar-15-06 04:45 PM |
#74 |
  
Self awareness shouldn't be sniffed at. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 04:55 PM |
#82 |
 
LOL. |
im10ashus |
Mar-15-06 04:47 PM |
#76 |
 
And we'll all sound like the Farmer's Daughter. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 04:49 PM |
#77 |
 
STOP IT!!!! |
im10ashus |
Mar-15-06 05:23 PM |
#94 |
 
LOL! |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 05:28 PM |
#97 |
 
It doesn't get much Olde English than that. |
im10ashus |
Mar-15-06 06:25 PM |
#107 |
 
The monks always want to headline. Fuck 'em. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 07:14 PM |
#112 |
 
I've always meant to ask you. |
im10ashus |
Mar-15-06 07:28 PM |
#113 |
 
Yeah. It is. Naked and great and in a sink. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 07:35 PM |
#114 |
 
Beautiful. |
im10ashus |
Mar-16-06 07:45 AM |
#126 |
 
To be fair, others of us are |
bleever |
Mar-15-06 04:56 PM |
#83 |

Have nothing to do with this guy. He's a -pusher! |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 05:03 PM |
#88 |

Yes it is tense... |
LeftHander |
Mar-15-06 03:41 PM |
#11 |

"Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall inherit the earth." |
lonestarnot |
Mar-15-06 03:42 PM |
#13 |

Thanks, Will. |
deadparrot |
Mar-15-06 03:43 PM |
#16 |

You're right... |
Mythsaje |
Mar-15-06 03:43 PM |
#17 |

Thanks, Will |
LevensonK |
Mar-15-06 03:44 PM |
#19 |

Clap clap clap |
WildEyedLiberal |
Mar-15-06 03:44 PM |
#21 |

You're right, it is a waste of time |
DrGonzoLives |
Mar-15-06 03:45 PM |
#23 |
 
You definitely have a point. |
Midlodemocrat |
Mar-15-06 03:47 PM |
#26 |

If you noticed, I was the one who pointed out that the "with us or traitor |
tasteblind |
Mar-15-06 03:46 PM |
#24 |
 
I did indeed notice that |
WilliamPitt |
Mar-15-06 03:48 PM |
#30 |
  
. |
tasteblind |
Mar-15-06 03:54 PM |
#40 |
 
guess im for doing something about Bush....nt |
LeftHander |
Mar-16-06 12:50 AM |
#120 |

Yeah, but using Bush's rhetoric ain't the way to do it. |
tasteblind |
Mar-16-06 08:37 AM |
#127 |

Thanks for saying this, Will... |
cynatnite |
Mar-15-06 03:47 PM |
#27 |

Hey, I have no problem with what Feingold is doing at all |
derby378 |
Mar-15-06 03:47 PM |
#29 |

Agree-I have recently lost any desire to participate in any thread. |
carolinalady |
Mar-15-06 03:49 PM |
#31 |

Oh please |
Generator |
Mar-15-06 03:50 PM |
#33 |
 
Thank You! |
leftchick |
Mar-15-06 04:01 PM |
#51 |

But what about our Democratic leaders that support Bush? |
Usrename |
Mar-16-06 12:42 AM |
#118 |

"froot loop" ? |
stop the bleeding |
Mar-15-06 03:50 PM |
#34 |
 
Indeed |
WilliamPitt |
Mar-15-06 04:45 PM |
#75 |
  
I will never look at Froot the same again - thanks again Will |
stop the bleeding |
Mar-15-06 04:53 PM |
#80 |
 
And colorful breakfast cereal. I take that to all flamefests. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 04:53 PM |
#81 |

yeah, timing could have been better |
radfringe |
Mar-15-06 03:51 PM |
#35 |

DU is great |
flblu2 |
Mar-15-06 03:51 PM |
#36 |

I dunno. As a bleeding heart liberal I sometimes wonder |
Cleita |
Mar-15-06 03:51 PM |
#37 |

I've said it before and I'll say it again... |
Juniperx |
Mar-15-06 03:52 PM |
#38 |

I can sympathize with the your viewpoint, but... |
Vinnie From Indy |
Mar-15-06 03:53 PM |
#39 |

How long do we have to wait for the Democratic Leadership to DO SOMETHING? |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-15-06 03:54 PM |
#41 |

Oh, stop trying to be referee and/or mediator and arbitrator |
RazzleDazzle |
Mar-15-06 03:54 PM |
#42 |
 
I like the part where he tries to come off being a diplomat - but then |
file83 |
Mar-15-06 05:16 PM |
#91 |
  
Oh, how funny. I didn't even get that far |
RazzleDazzle |
Mar-15-06 07:00 PM |
#110 |
 
But RazzleDazzle...!! |
Iowa |
Mar-15-06 06:09 PM |
#103 |

Boy have YOU got it pegged, methinks |
RazzleDazzle |
Mar-15-06 07:03 PM |
#111 |

Politics lately is like being in an abusive relationship-sweet talk and |
fed-up |
Mar-15-06 03:55 PM |
#43 |

Ya wanna see a complete and total waste of time? |
alcibiades_mystery |
Mar-15-06 03:56 PM |
#44 |
 
Your latest entry is very interesting... |
file83 |
Mar-15-06 05:43 PM |
#99 |

with or against |
Anser |
Mar-15-06 03:56 PM |
#45 |
 
LOL! A "joke post!" Welcome to DU! |
WiseButAngrySara |
Mar-15-06 04:50 PM |
#78 |
 
Which is the "spewing hate" version? |
alcibiades_mystery |
Mar-15-06 05:04 PM |
#89 |

Thank you... |
Rebelry |
Mar-15-06 03:56 PM |
#46 |

Some degree of patience is called for. The last foot has not dropped on |
IsItJustMe |
Mar-15-06 03:56 PM |
#47 |

This is as good a thread as any to say this |
dogday |
Mar-15-06 03:59 PM |
#50 |
 
I read them, just am too upset to post replies or comments n/t |
fed-up |
Mar-15-06 04:02 PM |
#52 |

I think we should contact our senators and demand they support Feingold |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-15-06 04:04 PM |
#53 |
 
Well said. |
fooj |
Mar-15-06 04:07 PM |
#56 |

You can't control how someone will act - "IT" is out there now |
FLDem5 |
Mar-15-06 04:05 PM |
#54 |

It's all about doing the right thing. Period. |
fooj |
Mar-15-06 04:06 PM |
#55 |
 
Feingold has stepped up to the plate and hit a single |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-15-06 05:22 PM |
#93 |
 
Great post fooj! Thank you! :) |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Mar-15-06 08:00 PM |
#115 |

K&R. |
understandinglife |
Mar-15-06 04:07 PM |
#57 |
 
Will, I did the "K&R" earlier, to indicate to you and others here ... |
understandinglife |
Mar-15-06 10:30 PM |
#116 |

If you repost this, I will kick it. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-16-06 12:44 AM |
#119 |
 
"Sternly with them, kindly with each other." Perfectly stated, Beth. |
understandinglife |
Mar-16-06 01:06 AM |
#121 |

No apologies, none. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-16-06 01:13 AM |
#122 |

Desparate ground is correct. The public will lead us... |
autorank |
Mar-16-06 03:30 AM |
#124 |

Amen to that-Stay your ground UL! |
mod mom |
Mar-16-06 09:40 AM |
#128 |

Too funny! They got their knickers in a twist too soon! |
Juniperx |
Mar-15-06 04:08 PM |
#58 |

you must be a libra n/t |
annces8 |
Mar-15-06 04:08 PM |
#59 |
 
Scorpio |
WilliamPitt |
Mar-15-06 04:15 PM |
#61 |

This place is the greatest when we can discuss things ... |
LisaLynne |
Mar-15-06 04:10 PM |
#60 |

Thank you for the first laugh I've had all day! |
Gregorian |
Mar-15-06 04:15 PM |
#62 |

Reason? You are calling for REASON on DU? |
blondeatlast |
Mar-15-06 04:18 PM |
#64 |

I get pretty hot about this issue -- but refrain from unleashing. |
byronius |
Mar-15-06 04:18 PM |
#65 |

Like clockwork! n/t |
rucky |
Mar-15-06 04:19 PM |
#66 |

Bush eats babies on national TV... |
5X |
Mar-15-06 04:21 PM |
#67 |

Did Feingold actually, publicly accuse democrats of "cowering"? |
Kerry fan |
Mar-15-06 04:23 PM |
#68 |

Thanks for the good laugh and common sense! |
Tom Yossarian Joad |
Mar-15-06 04:30 PM |
#69 |

As more of a reader and seldom poster.... |
Buddyblazon |
Mar-15-06 04:35 PM |
#72 |
 
We can swing this, Buddy. Being a realist also means |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 05:03 PM |
#87 |

I've been flamed for being a bit too conservative and yet I agree......... |
Minnesota Libra |
Mar-15-06 04:39 PM |
#73 |

I guess I see this as second nature on this forum. |
izzybeans |
Mar-15-06 04:51 PM |
#79 |
 
That sounds like CommiePinko DLC talk. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 04:58 PM |
#85 |

That's right and never you forget it troll/freeper/DINO. |
izzybeans |
Mar-16-06 12:20 PM |
#130 |

It's possible to approve the censure move but ... |
Neil Lisst |
Mar-15-06 04:58 PM |
#84 |
 
Lol! Okay. I want to know when we're done winning. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 05:05 PM |
#90 |

hey sf! see, I think first you get the HOUSE, then you run it |
Neil Lisst |
Mar-15-06 05:26 PM |
#96 |

Well, please pay attention to what is going on here in CA, |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 05:43 PM |
#100 |

good luck on that! |
Neil Lisst |
Mar-15-06 06:07 PM |
#102 |
 
CA will not sit for this. But whether our not sitting will be |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-15-06 06:37 PM |
#108 |

I contributed to Debra Bowen for SOS |
Peggy Day |
Mar-16-06 01:24 PM |
#132 |

Good post Will. The voice of Reason to quell the vox populi du DU??? |
WiseButAngrySara |
Mar-15-06 05:00 PM |
#86 |

I'm glad Kerry came out and backed Feingold |
Imagevision |
Mar-15-06 05:20 PM |
#92 |

I will not follow your 5 laws! |
Rex |
Mar-15-06 05:23 PM |
#95 |

Ah. It is your #4 that bothers me - The "timing" issue! I say |
Laura PackYourBags |
Mar-15-06 05:28 PM |
#98 |

I seem to recall the same kind of monday morning quarterbacking |
MichiganVote |
Mar-15-06 06:14 PM |
#104 |

Well, hell, there goes the purge. *pout* |
frustrated_lefty |
Mar-15-06 06:21 PM |
#105 |
 
yes...what were we thinking...silly lefties....fighting among ourselves.. |
LeftHander |
Mar-16-06 01:30 AM |
#123 |

Clearly |
DrGonzoLives |
Mar-16-06 09:51 AM |
#129 |

I do believe you've wasted my time Will. I also believe that we don't |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Mar-15-06 06:24 PM |
#106 |

6. Managing expectations |
sheelz |
Mar-15-06 06:39 PM |
#109 |

It was a waste of time. Spokesperson for Progressive Dems Organization |
KoKo01 |
Mar-15-06 10:52 PM |
#117 |

These are trying times, for all of us. |
johnaries |
Mar-16-06 04:12 AM |
#125 |

Interesting... I haven't seen these kinds of threads over the Censure |
radio4progressives |
Mar-16-06 12:28 PM |
#131 |

What I find hilarious.. |
sendero |
Mar-16-06 01:44 PM |
#133 |