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Reply #125: These are trying times, for all of us. [View All]

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125. These are trying times, for all of us.
The tension here on DU is just a symptom of our frustration. However, the "you are with us or against us" meme is a Neo-Con tactic and is a dangerous road.

Since DU has the wonderful new Journal feature, I noticed while adding some of my previous posts that I could be considered a "flip-flopper". I had one post saying "we should all vote Dem this election", and I had another post saying "I am proud that Dems can't agree, because it proves that we are Independent Thinkers".

To be honest, I still think that we need to maintain our Independent Thinking. However, if we want to accomplish something, we have to learn to COMPROMISE. Our nation was built on compromise. The Constitution is nothing more than a series of compromises.

When 2 sides take opposing positions, usually the Truth lies somewhere in between. When both parties can come to a compromise, the compromise is usually much closer to the Truth than either side.

All of us here on DU are very passionate about our beliefs. That's why we are here. But no one here will argue against the fact that our nation is under attack from within, and that the very foundations of our Democracy are at stake. If we want to reach a viable strategy we need to be able to discuss the issues dispassionately and learn to find a working compromise that we all can live with and support.

At the same time, we must realize that every now and then everyone just needs to "vent". All of us sooner or later come to DU to vent their frustrations, because we know we are among friends and at least someone here will sympathize with our frustrations.

However, after we have vented our frustrations, we all need to just "let them go" and figure out a way to work together to solve this mess that our country is in. In extreme circumstances, sometimes the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a very useful axiom.

So, let's all vent our frustrations and get them out of our systems, then apologize to those you've pissed off, and have a group hug. And then decide TOGETHER just what the hell we're going to do to solve this mess TOGETHER. NOBODY is going to be 100% happy - except maybe the RW'ers if we can't learn to work together. We need to "prioritize." Let's solve the immediate problems, and then we can argue among ourselves on the minor details.

Questioning someone else's dedication is counter-productive. "You are with us or against us" is a Karl Rove tactic. Don't fall into that trap.
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  This post may be a complete and total waste of time... WilliamPitt  Mar-15-06 03:35 PM   #0 
   why do you hate America, Will?  northzax   Mar-15-06 03:37 PM   #1 
   He is helping the terrorists!  usregimechange   Mar-15-06 05:47 PM   #101 
   See, trouble with you Will, is that you try to make rational sense.  benburch   Mar-15-06 03:37 PM   #2 
   I think people just get frustrated.  Midlodemocrat   Mar-15-06 03:41 PM   #7 
   I agree that it's mostly frustration and misplaced anger  Raksha   Mar-15-06 03:56 PM   #48 
   I sure do miss the  liberalnurse   Mar-15-06 03:41 PM   #9 
      Nader sucks  WilliamPitt   Mar-15-06 03:42 PM   #14 
         How DARE you attack...  benburch   Mar-15-06 03:47 PM   #25 
         YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST NADER SUCKING  WilliamPitt   Mar-15-06 03:47 PM   #28 
         Ahhhh yes......  liberalnurse   Mar-15-06 04:15 PM   #63 
   I support Feingold  Pharaoh   Mar-15-06 03:38 PM   #3 
   I like eggs  WilliamPitt   Mar-15-06 03:39 PM   #4 
      Oh so your an egg lover!  Pharaoh   Mar-15-06 03:50 PM   #32 
      YOU EAT CHICKEN EMBRYOS?????  Horse with no Name   Mar-15-06 03:57 PM   #49 
   once again I find myself thanking you  JitterbugPerfume   Mar-15-06 03:40 PM   #5 
   While I agree strongly with your statements,  missb   Mar-15-06 03:40 PM   #6 
   LOL.  Midlodemocrat   Mar-15-06 03:41 PM   #10 
   I triple-dog dare you  WilliamPitt   Mar-15-06 03:42 PM   #12 
   Will. I've got your back.  Midlodemocrat   Mar-15-06 03:42 PM   #15 
      No fair.  missb   Mar-15-06 03:44 PM   #20 
         LOL.  Midlodemocrat   Mar-15-06 03:44 PM   #22 
   You'd probably make it to the Greatest page in about half a second.  deadparrot   Mar-15-06 03:43 PM   #18 
   Well, some of us ARE wild eyed fruit loops.  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 03:41 PM   #8 
   Um, don't you mean "froot loops?"  im10ashus   Mar-15-06 04:32 PM   #70 
   See? We can't spell plain English.  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 04:33 PM   #71 
      Skuuuse me...  WilliamPitt   Mar-15-06 04:45 PM   #74 
      Self awareness shouldn't be sniffed at.  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 04:55 PM   #82 
      LOL.  im10ashus   Mar-15-06 04:47 PM   #76 
         And we'll all sound like the Farmer's Daughter.  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 04:49 PM   #77 
            STOP IT!!!!  im10ashus   Mar-15-06 05:23 PM   #94 
               LOL!  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 05:28 PM   #97 
                  It doesn't get much Olde English than that.  im10ashus   Mar-15-06 06:25 PM   #107 
                     The monks always want to headline. Fuck 'em.  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 07:14 PM   #112 
                        I've always meant to ask you.  im10ashus   Mar-15-06 07:28 PM   #113 
                           Yeah. It is. Naked and great and in a sink.  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 07:35 PM   #114 
                              Beautiful.  im10ashus   Mar-16-06 07:45 AM   #126 
   To be fair, others of us are  bleever   Mar-15-06 04:56 PM   #83 
      Have nothing to do with this guy. He's a -pusher!  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 05:03 PM   #88 
   Yes it is tense...  LeftHander   Mar-15-06 03:41 PM   #11 
   "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall inherit the earth."  lonestarnot   Mar-15-06 03:42 PM   #13 
   Thanks, Will.  deadparrot   Mar-15-06 03:43 PM   #16 
   You're right...  Mythsaje   Mar-15-06 03:43 PM   #17 
   Thanks, Will  LevensonK   Mar-15-06 03:44 PM   #19 
   Clap clap clap  WildEyedLiberal   Mar-15-06 03:44 PM   #21 
   You're right, it is a waste of time  DrGonzoLives   Mar-15-06 03:45 PM   #23 
   You definitely have a point.  Midlodemocrat   Mar-15-06 03:47 PM   #26 
   If you noticed, I was the one who pointed out that the "with us or traitor  tasteblind   Mar-15-06 03:46 PM   #24 
   I did indeed notice that  WilliamPitt   Mar-15-06 03:48 PM   #30 
   .  tasteblind   Mar-15-06 03:54 PM   #40 
   guess im for doing something about Bush....nt  LeftHander   Mar-16-06 12:50 AM   #120 
      Yeah, but using Bush's rhetoric ain't the way to do it.  tasteblind   Mar-16-06 08:37 AM   #127 
   Thanks for saying this, Will...  cynatnite   Mar-15-06 03:47 PM   #27 
   Hey, I have no problem with what Feingold is doing at all  derby378   Mar-15-06 03:47 PM   #29 
   Agree-I have recently lost any desire to participate in any thread.  carolinalady   Mar-15-06 03:49 PM   #31 
   Oh please  Generator   Mar-15-06 03:50 PM   #33 
   Thank You!  leftchick   Mar-15-06 04:01 PM   #51 
      But what about our Democratic leaders that support Bush?  Usrename   Mar-16-06 12:42 AM   #118 
   "froot loop" ?  stop the bleeding   Mar-15-06 03:50 PM   #34 
   Indeed  WilliamPitt   Mar-15-06 04:45 PM   #75 
   I will never look at Froot the same again - thanks again Will  stop the bleeding   Mar-15-06 04:53 PM   #80 
   And colorful breakfast cereal. I take that to all flamefests.  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 04:53 PM   #81 
   yeah, timing could have been better  radfringe   Mar-15-06 03:51 PM   #35 
   DU is great  flblu2   Mar-15-06 03:51 PM   #36 
   I dunno. As a bleeding heart liberal I sometimes wonder  Cleita   Mar-15-06 03:51 PM   #37 
   I've said it before and I'll say it again...  Juniperx   Mar-15-06 03:52 PM   #38 
   I can sympathize with the your viewpoint, but...  Vinnie From Indy   Mar-15-06 03:53 PM   #39 
   How long do we have to wait for the Democratic Leadership to DO SOMETHING?  berni_mccoy   Mar-15-06 03:54 PM   #41 
   Oh, stop trying to be referee and/or mediator and arbitrator  RazzleDazzle   Mar-15-06 03:54 PM   #42 
   I like the part where he tries to come off being a diplomat - but then  file83   Mar-15-06 05:16 PM   #91 
   Oh, how funny. I didn't even get that far  RazzleDazzle   Mar-15-06 07:00 PM   #110 
   But RazzleDazzle...!!  Iowa   Mar-15-06 06:09 PM   #103 
      Boy have YOU got it pegged, methinks  RazzleDazzle   Mar-15-06 07:03 PM   #111 
   Politics lately is like being in an abusive relationship-sweet talk and  fed-up   Mar-15-06 03:55 PM   #43 
   Ya wanna see a complete and total waste of time?  alcibiades_mystery   Mar-15-06 03:56 PM   #44 
   Your latest entry is very interesting...  file83   Mar-15-06 05:43 PM   #99 
   with or against  Anser   Mar-15-06 03:56 PM   #45 
   LOL! A "joke post!" Welcome to DU!  WiseButAngrySara   Mar-15-06 04:50 PM   #78 
   Which is the "spewing hate" version?  alcibiades_mystery   Mar-15-06 05:04 PM   #89 
   Thank you...  Rebelry   Mar-15-06 03:56 PM   #46 
   Some degree of patience is called for. The last foot has not dropped on  IsItJustMe   Mar-15-06 03:56 PM   #47 
   This is as good a thread as any to say this  dogdayDU Moderator   Mar-15-06 03:59 PM   #50 
   I read them, just am too upset to post replies or comments n/t  fed-up   Mar-15-06 04:02 PM   #52 
   I think we should contact our senators and demand they support Feingold  Swamp Rat   Mar-15-06 04:04 PM   #53 
   Well said.  fooj   Mar-15-06 04:07 PM   #56 
   You can't control how someone will act - "IT" is out there now  FLDem5   Mar-15-06 04:05 PM   #54 
   It's all about doing the right thing. Period.  fooj   Mar-15-06 04:06 PM   #55 
   Feingold has stepped up to the plate and hit a single  Swamp Rat   Mar-15-06 05:22 PM   #93 
   Great post fooj! Thank you! :)  OmmmSweetOmmm   Mar-15-06 08:00 PM   #115 
   K&R.  understandinglife   Mar-15-06 04:07 PM   #57 
   Will, I did the "K&R" earlier, to indicate to you and others here ...  understandinglife   Mar-15-06 10:30 PM   #116 
      If you repost this, I will kick it.  sfexpat2000   Mar-16-06 12:44 AM   #119 
      "Sternly with them, kindly with each other." Perfectly stated, Beth.  understandinglife   Mar-16-06 01:06 AM   #121 
         No apologies, none.  sfexpat2000   Mar-16-06 01:13 AM   #122 
      Desparate ground is correct. The public will lead us...  autorank   Mar-16-06 03:30 AM   #124 
      Amen to that-Stay your ground UL!  mod mom   Mar-16-06 09:40 AM   #128 
   Too funny! They got their knickers in a twist too soon!  Juniperx   Mar-15-06 04:08 PM   #58 
   you must be a libra n/t  annces8   Mar-15-06 04:08 PM   #59 
   Scorpio  WilliamPitt   Mar-15-06 04:15 PM   #61 
   This place is the greatest when we can discuss things ...  LisaLynne   Mar-15-06 04:10 PM   #60 
   Thank you for the first laugh I've had all day!  Gregorian   Mar-15-06 04:15 PM   #62 
   Reason? You are calling for REASON on DU?  blondeatlast   Mar-15-06 04:18 PM   #64 
   I get pretty hot about this issue -- but refrain from unleashing.  byronius   Mar-15-06 04:18 PM   #65 
   Like clockwork! n/t  rucky   Mar-15-06 04:19 PM   #66 
   Bush eats babies on national TV...  5X   Mar-15-06 04:21 PM   #67 
   Did Feingold actually, publicly accuse democrats of "cowering"?  Kerry fan   Mar-15-06 04:23 PM   #68 
   Thanks for the good laugh and common sense!  Tom Yossarian Joad   Mar-15-06 04:30 PM   #69 
   As more of a reader and seldom poster....  Buddyblazon   Mar-15-06 04:35 PM   #72 
   We can swing this, Buddy. Being a realist also means  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 05:03 PM   #87 
   I've been flamed for being a bit too conservative and yet I agree.........  Minnesota Libra   Mar-15-06 04:39 PM   #73 
   I guess I see this as second nature on this forum.  izzybeans   Mar-15-06 04:51 PM   #79 
   That sounds like CommiePinko DLC talk.  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 04:58 PM   #85 
      That's right and never you forget it troll/freeper/DINO.  izzybeans   Mar-16-06 12:20 PM   #130 
   It's possible to approve the censure move but ...  Neil Lisst   Mar-15-06 04:58 PM   #84 
   Lol! Okay. I want to know when we're done winning.  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 05:05 PM   #90 
      hey sf! see, I think first you get the HOUSE, then you run it  Neil Lisst   Mar-15-06 05:26 PM   #96 
         Well, please pay attention to what is going on here in CA,  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 05:43 PM   #100 
            good luck on that!  Neil Lisst   Mar-15-06 06:07 PM   #102 
            CA will not sit for this. But whether our not sitting will be  sfexpat2000   Mar-15-06 06:37 PM   #108 
            I contributed to Debra Bowen for SOS  Peggy Day   Mar-16-06 01:24 PM   #132 
   Good post Will. The voice of Reason to quell the vox populi du DU???  WiseButAngrySara   Mar-15-06 05:00 PM   #86 
   I'm glad Kerry came out and backed Feingold  Imagevision   Mar-15-06 05:20 PM   #92 
   I will not follow your 5 laws!  Rex   Mar-15-06 05:23 PM   #95 
   Ah. It is your #4 that bothers me - The "timing" issue! I say  Laura PackYourBags   Mar-15-06 05:28 PM   #98 
   I seem to recall the same kind of monday morning quarterbacking  MichiganVote   Mar-15-06 06:14 PM   #104 
   Well, hell, there goes the purge. *pout*  frustrated_lefty   Mar-15-06 06:21 PM   #105 
   yes...what were we thinking...silly lefties....fighting among ourselves..  LeftHander   Mar-16-06 01:30 AM   #123 
      Clearly  DrGonzoLives   Mar-16-06 09:51 AM   #129 
   I do believe you've wasted my time Will. I also believe that we don't  OmmmSweetOmmm   Mar-15-06 06:24 PM   #106 
   6. Managing expectations  sheelz   Mar-15-06 06:39 PM   #109 
   It was a waste of time. Spokesperson for Progressive Dems Organization  KoKo01   Mar-15-06 10:52 PM   #117 
   These are trying times, for all of us.  johnaries   Mar-16-06 04:12 AM   #125 
   Interesting... I haven't seen these kinds of threads over the Censure  radio4progressives   Mar-16-06 12:28 PM   #131 
      What I find hilarious..  sendero   Mar-16-06 01:44 PM   #133 
 

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