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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:47 PM
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17. You mean when they don't have the spine to stand up against illegal
actions? Yes, unfortunately from the vantage point of a Kerry foot soldier in Franklin County Ohio after election day. I felt abandoned and ashamed that my party that I touted so ardently through the campaign failed to stand up, as they promised, to make sure every vote was counted. The war, the patriotic act, the election, alito, censure-it's like they are trying to alienate their base. I don't ever think they will motivate their base to GOTV like was done in 2004. "We Can Do Better" rings as hollow words now. It is very difficult to motivate people to go door to door canvassing and phone banking. Without addressing the issue of corrupt elections, I'm afraid GOTV will be for naught.
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  -Third party dilemma - What to do when the "system" no longer works burythehatchet  Mar-14-06 08:40 PM   #0 
  - Con: Diebold ... I think we'll have to fix the system from the bottom  GreenPartyVoter   Mar-14-06 08:43 PM   #1 
  - Ideally yes, you are correct  burythehatchet   Mar-14-06 08:47 PM   #2 
     - There's plenty of disgust to go around but I don't see beating them at  GreenPartyVoter   Mar-14-06 08:48 PM   #3 
        - No of course not.  burythehatchet   Mar-14-06 08:50 PM   #4 
  - lots of us have already voted with our feet-- now we just need a leader...  mike_c   Mar-14-06 08:51 PM   #5 
  - I'm against a separate party, but what if we got  Cleita   Mar-14-06 10:06 PM   #18 
  - sounds good to me....  mike_c   Mar-14-06 11:18 PM   #22 
  - "we need a committed liberal opposition party"  Untermonkey   Mar-15-06 12:02 PM   #34 
  - Con: It's Not the Right Time  rwenos   Mar-14-06 08:51 PM   #6 
  - maybe the fate of america lies in the hands of non-politicians.  SongOfTheRayne   Mar-14-06 08:55 PM   #7 
  - I totally agree with you and there is a precedent in the fifties  Cleita   Mar-14-06 10:09 PM   #19 
  - Get rid of the machines and join PDA  helderheid   Mar-14-06 08:56 PM   #8 
  - Con: You're ignoring history.  CBHagman   Mar-14-06 09:01 PM   #9 
  - Ignoring only part of history. You also ignore history. Exhibit A1...  hvn_nbr_2   Mar-14-06 09:17 PM   #12 
     - One third-party candidate in over 200 years...  CBHagman   Mar-15-06 11:59 AM   #32 
  - Biggest Con: All Republicans All the Time  AndyTiedye   Mar-14-06 09:01 PM   #10 
  - The Enemy of My Enemy is My Friend  rwenos   Mar-14-06 09:15 PM   #11 
  - I faced this dilemma 5 years ago  proud patriot   Mar-14-06 09:21 PM   #13 
  - Did you ever dream that the party would descend to  burythehatchet   Mar-14-06 09:32 PM   #14 
     - You mean when they don't have the spine to stand up against illegal  mod mom   Mar-14-06 09:47 PM   #17 
  - Baseball bats for democracy  stevietheman   Mar-14-06 09:40 PM   #15 
  - Batter Up: Million Batter March  readmoreoften   Mar-14-06 10:20 PM   #21 
  - That's pretty much my idea.  stevietheman   Mar-14-06 11:59 PM   #23 
     - That would be a good activity at the end of the march.  readmoreoften   Mar-15-06 12:13 AM   #25 
        - I like it. I like it a LOT. Maybe we should start a separate thread...  stevietheman   Mar-15-06 12:16 AM   #26 
           - Let's have a separate thread in GD, then the activist HQ  readmoreoften   Mar-15-06 12:24 AM   #28 
              - Sounds good... I just started working on my journal as well.  stevietheman   Mar-15-06 12:26 AM   #29 
                 - it's up Steve. /nt  readmoreoften   Mar-15-06 12:48 AM   #31 
  - I've always been a great contact hitter  burythehatchet   Mar-15-06 12:22 PM   #35 
  - niiiiiiiiiiiiice......  SongOfTheRayne   Mar-15-06 02:39 PM   #36 
     - At some point, there has to be some kind of "enough is enough!" n/t  stevietheman   Mar-15-06 11:32 PM   #37 
  - I think runoff voting would help solve a lot of the problems.  Cleita   Mar-14-06 09:43 PM   #16 
  - The problem is...  mtice   Mar-14-06 10:09 PM   #20 
  - Yes, it was never supposed to be this way  magellan   Mar-15-06 12:04 AM   #24 
     - Maybe not  NoMoreMyths   Mar-15-06 12:16 AM   #27 
  - Start a new system  NoMoreMyths   Mar-15-06 12:27 AM   #30 
  - get all starts at the local/precinct levels  harpo   Mar-15-06 12:00 PM   #33 

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