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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:01 PM
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9. Con: You're ignoring history.
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 09:04 PM by CBHagman
Exhibit A: The Bull Moose Party. Exhibit B: John Anderson in 1980. Exhibit C: Ralph Nader in 2000.

Con: I don't think it's possible to speak for Al Gore, Russ Feingold, or any other Dem you admire. Have they actually said they were going to jump ship?

Con: You can purity-test your candidates to death. If every group on DU, for example, had veto power over every winning Democratic candidate of the last 70-some-odd years, we'd never have countenanced Harry Truman, JFK, LBJ, FDR, Jimmy Carter, or Bill Clinton.

Con: Self-identified liberals and progressives make up a relatively small percentage of the voting population. Until that changes, anyone who wins a seat in the House or Senate, or in executive branch offices, will need a coalition of moderates and progressives in order to be elected.

Con: The Democratic Party has long had a mixture of people focused on different issues and ideologies.

The only pro I can think of is the possibility of running a progressive with such amazingly broad appeal (to say nothing of charisma and public confidence) that party is no longer an issue and personality takes over. The type I'm thinking of is someone like Oprah Winfrey, who commands a great deal of attention and wields a fair amount of influence. But maybe even an Oprah type wouldn't do it.

Think long and hard about this. American voting patterns simply do not bode well for third party candidates.

On edit: I live in a fairly liberal area, and third party candidates can't even win local office here, for the most part.

If you really want to influence policy, you have to put candidates into offices where they can do some good, and you can't pick up your toys and go home every time someone departs from your stance on some issue. How many times have I seen people proclaim their adoration for Russ Feingold or Robert Byrd, and then seen an orgy of hostility to the same when they say something unexpected? Confess! You know you've seen it.
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  -Third party dilemma - What to do when the "system" no longer works burythehatchet  Mar-14-06 08:40 PM   #0 
  - Con: Diebold ... I think we'll have to fix the system from the bottom  GreenPartyVoter   Mar-14-06 08:43 PM   #1 
  - Ideally yes, you are correct  burythehatchet   Mar-14-06 08:47 PM   #2 
     - There's plenty of disgust to go around but I don't see beating them at  GreenPartyVoter   Mar-14-06 08:48 PM   #3 
        - No of course not.  burythehatchet   Mar-14-06 08:50 PM   #4 
  - lots of us have already voted with our feet-- now we just need a leader...  mike_c   Mar-14-06 08:51 PM   #5 
  - I'm against a separate party, but what if we got  Cleita   Mar-14-06 10:06 PM   #18 
  - sounds good to me....  mike_c   Mar-14-06 11:18 PM   #22 
  - "we need a committed liberal opposition party"  Untermonkey   Mar-15-06 12:02 PM   #34 
  - Con: It's Not the Right Time  rwenos   Mar-14-06 08:51 PM   #6 
  - maybe the fate of america lies in the hands of non-politicians.  SongOfTheRayne   Mar-14-06 08:55 PM   #7 
  - I totally agree with you and there is a precedent in the fifties  Cleita   Mar-14-06 10:09 PM   #19 
  - Get rid of the machines and join PDA  helderheid   Mar-14-06 08:56 PM   #8 
  - Con: You're ignoring history.  CBHagman   Mar-14-06 09:01 PM   #9 
  - Ignoring only part of history. You also ignore history. Exhibit A1...  hvn_nbr_2   Mar-14-06 09:17 PM   #12 
     - One third-party candidate in over 200 years...  CBHagman   Mar-15-06 11:59 AM   #32 
  - Biggest Con: All Republicans All the Time  AndyTiedye   Mar-14-06 09:01 PM   #10 
  - The Enemy of My Enemy is My Friend  rwenos   Mar-14-06 09:15 PM   #11 
  - I faced this dilemma 5 years ago  proud patriot   Mar-14-06 09:21 PM   #13 
  - Did you ever dream that the party would descend to  burythehatchet   Mar-14-06 09:32 PM   #14 
     - You mean when they don't have the spine to stand up against illegal  mod mom   Mar-14-06 09:47 PM   #17 
  - Baseball bats for democracy  stevietheman   Mar-14-06 09:40 PM   #15 
  - Batter Up: Million Batter March  readmoreoften   Mar-14-06 10:20 PM   #21 
  - That's pretty much my idea.  stevietheman   Mar-14-06 11:59 PM   #23 
     - That would be a good activity at the end of the march.  readmoreoften   Mar-15-06 12:13 AM   #25 
        - I like it. I like it a LOT. Maybe we should start a separate thread...  stevietheman   Mar-15-06 12:16 AM   #26 
           - Let's have a separate thread in GD, then the activist HQ  readmoreoften   Mar-15-06 12:24 AM   #28 
              - Sounds good... I just started working on my journal as well.  stevietheman   Mar-15-06 12:26 AM   #29 
                 - it's up Steve. /nt  readmoreoften   Mar-15-06 12:48 AM   #31 
  - I've always been a great contact hitter  burythehatchet   Mar-15-06 12:22 PM   #35 
  - niiiiiiiiiiiiice......  SongOfTheRayne   Mar-15-06 02:39 PM   #36 
     - At some point, there has to be some kind of "enough is enough!" n/t  stevietheman   Mar-15-06 11:32 PM   #37 
  - I think runoff voting would help solve a lot of the problems.  Cleita   Mar-14-06 09:43 PM   #16 
  - The problem is...  mtice   Mar-14-06 10:09 PM   #20 
  - Yes, it was never supposed to be this way  magellan   Mar-15-06 12:04 AM   #24 
     - Maybe not  NoMoreMyths   Mar-15-06 12:16 AM   #27 
  - Start a new system  NoMoreMyths   Mar-15-06 12:27 AM   #30 
  - get busy...it all starts at the local/precinct levels  harpo   Mar-15-06 12:00 PM   #33 
 

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