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26. There appears to be many layers to this issue
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 12:57 PM by Vinnie From Indy
As a political move, this places Feingold squarely to the left of Hillary for the primaries. Hillary, Bayh and others are clearly targeting the middle and taking the base for granted. The perplexing aspect to this view is that the polling shows the middle hates Bush as much as the base.

As a practical matter, I agree that Feingold may be giving the GOP a result that they will use to vindicate the clearly illegal policy of BushCo wiretapping. Feingold walks the walk and his MO seems to be to lead by example and let others decide what is the content of their own character.
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  -Mixed feelings on Feingold's censure resolution Skinner  Mar-14-06 12:33 PM   #0 
  - Perhaps Feingold didn't ask for help  RagingInMiami   Mar-14-06 12:36 PM   #1 
  - He has taken a gamble and I believe that he will ultimately win.  ladjf   Mar-14-06 12:40 PM   #9 
  - I agree  RagingInMiami   Mar-14-06 12:51 PM   #16 
     - Exactly. It will be the majority of American people who will step  ladjf   Mar-14-06 02:27 PM   #78 
     - I think that we need to show vocal support.  yellowdogmi   Mar-14-06 11:33 PM   #152 
  - I find that hard to believe. And point to Sarbane covering  sfexpat2000   Mar-14-06 02:12 PM   #71 
  - I didn't see it  RagingInMiami   Mar-14-06 02:27 PM   #79 
  - I wonder if there is a way for you to see. It was quite  sfexpat2000   Mar-14-06 02:40 PM   #84 
  - They all took an oath to defend the constitution. I find it incredulous  mod mom   Mar-14-06 10:00 PM   #141 
  - Russ is not like that. Did you know he posted promises to voters  IsIt1984Yet   Mar-14-06 05:53 PM   #120 
  - I don't really much about him, but I like what I see so far  RagingInMiami   Mar-14-06 06:32 PM   #122 
  - He's worth checking out. He just started blogging.  IsIt1984Yet   Mar-14-06 06:42 PM   #123 
     - What I also like about him is his obvious intelligence  RagingInMiami   Mar-14-06 07:39 PM   #130 
     - I lived in Wisconsin when he first ran for U.S. Senate. It was a great,  coalition_unwilling   Mar-15-06 02:57 PM   #171 
        - You missed his 2004 campaign against a car salesman - Russ Darrow  IsIt1984Yet   Mar-15-06 06:26 PM   #175 
           - I was in California by then, but I always suspected Feingold would  coalition_unwilling   Mar-16-06 12:31 PM   #180 
  - The DINOs have no spine either  saigon68   Mar-14-06 07:22 PM   #129 
  - Is he for real?  pokercat999   Mar-15-06 03:58 AM   #158 
  - And for fucks sake  AZModerate   Mar-14-06 08:10 PM   #132 
  - The Dems in the Senate have had more than enough time to review it by now  JohnnyCougar   Mar-14-06 12:37 PM   #2 
  - Hitting the "alert" button on you. Seriously, thanks for a  bleever   Mar-14-06 12:37 PM   #3 
  - Then call your Senators and ask them this question...  ClassWarrior   Mar-14-06 12:37 PM   #4 
  - It really makes it hard  Paulie   Mar-14-06 12:38 PM   #5 
  - I support Feingold in this censure resolution. I believe it deserves  Vincardog   Mar-14-06 12:38 PM   #6 
  - I don't know that it will play out like that  underpants   Mar-14-06 12:39 PM   #7 
  - There has not been enough time to frame it as an accountability issue  papau   Mar-14-06 12:39 PM   #8 
  - I expect it to fail  Solly Mack   Mar-14-06 12:42 PM   #10 
  - I disagree with that idea  Vash the Stampede   Mar-14-06 12:48 PM   #13 
  - I didn't say both can't be done - I'm saying the framing will  Solly Mack   Mar-14-06 12:51 PM   #20 
     - I just don't think Senate Dems will use that as a reason to vote against  Vash the Stampede   Mar-14-06 01:04 PM   #35 
        - Ah..gotcha. (as in - I see what you're saying now)  Solly Mack   Mar-14-06 01:24 PM   #43 
           - LOL, I think we're on the same page now  Vash the Stampede   Mar-14-06 01:28 PM   #46 
  - It will fail  connecticut yankee   Mar-14-06 05:40 PM   #117 
     - Not all Democrats are spineless!  IndianaGreen   Mar-14-06 10:27 PM   #144 
  - democrats act the like the nambie pambie wife of an abusive husband  annces8   Mar-14-06 12:45 PM   #11 
  - Agreed. The total lack of spine demonstrated by "our" Senators is...  truebrit71   Mar-14-06 12:51 PM   #17 
  - I am so sick of this comparison...it's insulting and  femrap   Mar-14-06 04:29 PM   #110 
     - sorry about the comparison n/t  annces8   Mar-14-06 05:05 PM   #112 
     - thx. nt.  femrap   Mar-14-06 05:19 PM   #114 
     - Err. Ditto.  MaryBear   Mar-14-06 09:38 PM   #137 
     - You should be. Read your own sig line. It condemns you as a  WiseButAngrySara   Mar-15-06 10:25 AM   #165 
     - Thx, femrap! There is no excuse for abuse!  MaryBear   Mar-14-06 09:36 PM   #136 
     - My pleasure, MaryBear....  femrap   Mar-14-06 09:46 PM   #139 
     - Thanks, you beat me to it! What a REVOLTING comment. Attitudes  WiseButAngrySara   Mar-15-06 10:22 AM   #164 
  - I don't think Feingold does anything "half-assed"  Greybnk48   Mar-14-06 12:47 PM   #12 
  - Thanks for the post  ewagner   Mar-14-06 12:48 PM   #14 
  - Well, much as we would like to think otherwise  Greybnk48   Mar-14-06 12:52 PM   #22 
  - maybe its not going to come to a vote  Jim4Wes   Mar-14-06 12:49 PM   #15 
  - My impression, too, was that Dems want to block a vote until they have  KoKo01   Mar-14-06 01:12 PM   #39 
  - The Feingold resolution is necessary public policy  mdmc   Mar-14-06 12:51 PM   #18 
  - Skinner, this is the one issue that will make or break it for me.......  Minnesota Libra   Mar-14-06 12:51 PM   #19 
  - As mentioned elsewhere, if Donna Brazile is on board, how risky can it be?  ReadTomPaine   Mar-14-06 12:52 PM   #21 
  - WHAT!!!!?????  Nightjock   Mar-14-06 03:42 PM   #96 
  - Who knows, Murtha didn't have much support either, now more and  stop the bleeding   Mar-14-06 12:52 PM   #23 
  - Good point! Sometimes I think our Dems wait for someone to dive first  KoKo01   Mar-14-06 01:18 PM   #41 
  - Seems like the good Dr Dean did the same thing, and every thing  BR_Parkway   Mar-14-06 03:41 PM   #95 
     - BR_Parkway  stop the bleeding   Mar-14-06 03:46 PM   #101 
  - ok, then why don't we (DU) stop being half-assed ourselves and start  jsamuel   Mar-14-06 12:55 PM   #24 
  - Surely Feingold did seek support.  8_year_nightmare   Mar-14-06 12:55 PM   #25 
  - There appears to be many layers to this issue  Vinnie From Indy   Mar-14-06 12:55 PM   #26 
  - I have no reservations.  Justice Is Comin   Mar-14-06 12:56 PM   #27 
  - Well said!  magellan   Mar-14-06 12:59 PM   #28 
  - I think it might "be" the spying  Pharaoh   Mar-14-06 12:59 PM   #29 
  - If you are right, and I think you are, then that means Russ must be clean  wrate   Mar-14-06 02:05 PM   #67 
  - Pharaoh, I've heard this proposed before...  Iowa   Mar-14-06 03:44 PM   #100 
     - we all have some dirt  Pharaoh   Mar-14-06 06:15 PM   #121 
        - Well, therein lies the problem...  Iowa   Mar-14-06 06:53 PM   #126 
        - just my opinon  Pharaoh   Mar-14-06 07:47 PM   #131 
        - youthful indiscretion didn't seem to hurt W  cynthia   Mar-14-06 07:01 PM   #128 
  - I'm with Feingold on this. The party has to stand UP.  Neil Lisst   Mar-14-06 01:01 PM   #30 
  - I think there will only be a few who take a stand this time.  norml   Mar-14-06 01:01 PM   #31 
  - Yesterday in the Senate-I was disheartened that he did not stay  carolinalady   Mar-14-06 01:02 PM   #32 
  - "No one could have anticipated" Feingold would introduce a resolution..  leftstreet   Mar-14-06 01:03 PM   #33 
  - LOL - nice  jsamuel   Mar-14-06 01:07 PM   #38 
  - Great Catch! n/t  dogday   Mar-14-06 01:29 PM   #47 
  - It's hurts to laugh. n/t  sfexpat2000   Mar-14-06 02:04 PM   #66 
  - I'd sure like to hear the explanations from the Dems who refuse  bigtree   Mar-14-06 01:04 PM   #34 
  - Another reason for mixed feelings ...  HamdenRice   Mar-14-06 01:06 PM   #36 
  - Those who are not afraid of failure will be the winners.  madfloridian   Mar-14-06 01:06 PM   #37 
  - It's as simple as this...  fooj   Mar-14-06 01:18 PM   #40 
  - This is a good move by Dems any way you look at it  dogday   Mar-14-06 01:20 PM   #42 
  - I don't applaud Feingold on this move, yes, Bush needs to be held  wisteria   Mar-14-06 01:24 PM   #44 
  - I totally disagree with this assessment.  JohnnyCougar   Mar-14-06 01:38 PM   #55 
  - I don't think he thought they would all support it...but it was important  KoKo01   Mar-14-06 01:27 PM   #45 
  - Just the act of presenting it is a victory in itself.  madfloridian   Mar-14-06 01:29 PM   #48 
  - Skinner read today's firedoglake  radio4progressives   Mar-14-06 01:30 PM   #49 
  - Firedoglake is a must read as well  femrap   Mar-14-06 05:07 PM   #113 
  - I'd prefer he try and fail than not try at all. The fear of taking risks,  Just Me   Mar-14-06 01:30 PM   #50 
  - "large number of Democrats defecting"  The Witch   Mar-14-06 01:31 PM   #51 
  - Feingold did the right thing. at least it made the news . a year  NoAmericanTaliban   Mar-14-06 01:33 PM   #52 
  - Called my Senator  Demo5   Mar-14-06 01:38 PM   #54 
  - We've all been waiting for the Dems to do something  madmunchie   Mar-14-06 01:36 PM   #53 
  - It is similar to one soldier standing up because...  SnoopDog   Mar-14-06 01:41 PM   #56 
  - His attempt will fail miserably. All of us here, and 39% of the public  Laura PackYourBags   Mar-14-06 01:44 PM   #57 
  - Since you aren't looking at the goings on in Washington from  Cleita   Mar-14-06 01:46 PM   #58 
  - The Breaking Story about the ACLU finding spying on anti-war  mtnester   Mar-14-06 01:46 PM   #59 
  - Like I always say  Ksec   Mar-14-06 01:48 PM   #60 
  - the people are with us. Read the polls.  Ksec   Mar-14-06 01:50 PM   #61 
  - Criminals always spin!  sheelz   Mar-14-06 01:54 PM   #62 
  - Either way they were going to spin it,  dogday   Mar-14-06 01:55 PM   #64 
     - That's right!  sheelz   Mar-14-06 02:04 PM   #65 
  - I don't understand what they're so scared of. The man's at what, 34%, 36%  jane_pippin   Mar-14-06 01:54 PM   #63 
  - Remember the rumored strategy is to let the Thuggery  sfexpat2000   Mar-14-06 02:06 PM   #68 
     - Ah. Right. Sit back and let them implode.  jane_pippin   Mar-14-06 02:35 PM   #82 
        - It's okay. It's nearly Spring and baseball isn't a sport  sfexpat2000   Mar-14-06 02:41 PM   #85 
  - With a plethora of impeachable offenses to choose from,  AtomicKitten   Mar-14-06 02:09 PM   #69 
  - Once again, the Beltway Dems go pee-pee on their own tummies.  DinahMoeHum   Mar-14-06 02:09 PM   #70 
  - Call me a "purist", but the old cliche' goes,"You've got to stand for  MrsGrumpy   Mar-14-06 02:14 PM   #72 
  - nicely written  Mrspeeker   Mar-14-06 02:15 PM   #73 
  - If it is not supported by Democrats and Republicans-  w8liftinglady   Mar-14-06 02:17 PM   #74 
  - Skinner:  november3rd   Mar-14-06 02:19 PM   #75 
  - The courage of a leader is to stand when everyone else is sitting....  FrenchieCat   Mar-14-06 02:20 PM   #76 
  - Excellent Post Frenchie  radio4progressives   Mar-14-06 03:17 PM   #91 
  - this needed to be done. feingold shouldn't have to line up  lakeguy   Mar-14-06 02:24 PM   #77 
  - Being Lily-Livered is not an option  slingsam   Mar-14-06 02:30 PM   #80 
  - I pumped Bayh's inbox with my position on this subject  izzybeans   Mar-14-06 02:34 PM   #81 
  - Not surprisingly, DLCer fave Bayh does not support Feingold's resolution.  flpoljunkie   Mar-14-06 03:49 PM   #102 
     - It's sad really. This man has taken no position on anything.  izzybeans   Mar-14-06 04:03 PM   #105 
        - The apple truly fell quite far from the tree in the Bayh family  Hippo_Tron   Mar-15-06 07:26 PM   #177 
  - It will now be on record, something to think about.  Rex   Mar-14-06 02:37 PM   #83 
  - jaws of victory....  muchacho   Mar-14-06 02:52 PM   #86 
  - That reasoning is precisely what caused them NOT to support him  RazzleDazzle   Mar-14-06 02:54 PM   #87 
  - The censure is "too liberal" for the appeasement wing.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-14-06 02:56 PM   #88 
  - Was it Feingold who said this is a "Civic Issue"  radio4progressives   Mar-14-06 03:19 PM   #92 
  - I agree with every word.  mzmolly   Mar-14-06 03:02 PM   #89 
  - There's more to the story  i miss america   Mar-14-06 03:09 PM   #90 
  - "party line vote" or even something close would do it. Even having the  yurbud   Mar-14-06 03:36 PM   #93 
  - IFFY...at best  Hubert Flottz   Mar-14-06 03:37 PM   #94 
  - This is exactly why I'm having a hard time supporting the Dems  WestMichRad   Mar-14-06 03:42 PM   #97 
  - does this mean he DID try to get support  jsamuel   Mar-14-06 03:43 PM   #98 
  - At a time when Bush has the arrogance to break the law, then  suffragette   Mar-14-06 03:44 PM   #99 
  - They're all simpering cowards.  danimich1   Mar-14-06 03:54 PM   #103 
     - I'd rather work to encourage other Democrats  suffragette   Mar-14-06 04:11 PM   #107 
  - Maybe a strong media strategy - if it was all Dems YES, all Repugs  BR_Parkway   Mar-14-06 03:57 PM   #104 
  - How much work or support should he really need anyway?  The Straight Story   Mar-14-06 04:04 PM   #106 
  - I love Class Warrior's formulation:  sfexpat2000   Mar-14-06 04:13 PM   #108 
  - Class Warrior said it perfectly.  suffragette   Mar-14-06 05:22 PM   #116 
  - DITHERING DEMS!  Paul Dlugokencky   Mar-15-06 05:04 AM   #159 
  - I am for censure - however I wont insult anyone who disagrees with me.  DanCa   Mar-14-06 04:17 PM   #109 
  - This is a worthy discussion that mirrors many others at DU  wiggs   Mar-14-06 04:52 PM   #111 
  - I sent Reid  vpilot   Mar-14-06 05:21 PM   #115 
  - No offense, Skinner, but it's not Russ's style to do things  IsIt1984Yet   Mar-14-06 05:45 PM   #118 
  - Censure is warranted but it will be seen as a stunt by Feingold  Jersey Devil   Mar-14-06 05:51 PM   #119 
  - Was his fillibuster attpemt a "stunt"? Or his lone vote against the  IsIt1984Yet   Mar-14-06 06:51 PM   #125 
  - I am not putting him down for it  Jersey Devil   Mar-14-06 10:58 PM   #151 
  - Well, SOOOO freakin' what if it *IS* a "stunt"?  Raksha   Mar-14-06 10:34 PM   #149 
  - thank you skinner for saying what needs to be said  bpilgrim   Mar-14-06 06:46 PM   #124 
  - At worst, it will bring attention to the fact that Bush needs censure.....  Sarah Ibarruri   Mar-14-06 06:54 PM   #127 
  - this man is a lone man in the struggle to make things right  whathappened   Mar-14-06 08:17 PM   #133 
  - thank you to russ for doing the right thing  orleans   Mar-14-06 09:06 PM   #134 
  - There's an up side to your down side.  1932   Mar-14-06 09:08 PM   #135 
  - One great thing is that Russ pierced the bubble...threw the grenade...  zulchzulu   Mar-14-06 09:43 PM   #138 
  - The beltway Dems do not understand...  yourout   Mar-14-06 09:50 PM   #140 
  - Let's suppose I am a bank robber, and I have robbing a lot of banks  IndianaGreen   Mar-14-06 10:13 PM   #142 
  - Feingold shouldn't have to consult Democrats beforehand...  Herman47   Mar-14-06 10:24 PM   #143 
  - I wish, for once, they would find the bravery to do the right thing-  impeachdubya   Mar-14-06 10:29 PM   #145 
  - Russ is a hero  kena1956   Mar-14-06 10:30 PM   #146 
  - Skinner, I listened to Rush today and I think he read your post.  Lochloosa   Mar-14-06 10:31 PM   #147 
  - Sen. Reid told Ed Schultz yesterday that he supported Feingold's  Catrina   Mar-14-06 10:34 PM   #148 
  - the hearing theory sounds solid  gasperc   Mar-15-06 03:16 PM   #172 
  - "the risk of "appearing weak""  welshTerrier2   Mar-14-06 10:42 PM   #150 
  - That's very rational. But I'm sick of spineless Dems. I want someone to  buddysmellgood   Mar-14-06 11:59 PM   #153 
  - ...  Higans   Mar-15-06 01:59 AM   #154 
  - True but  Stockholm   Mar-15-06 02:12 AM   #155 
  - But I still hope he get's the support. Let's write/call the Senators again  rumpel   Mar-15-06 02:17 AM   #156 
  - Censure IS NOT IMPEACHMENT!  StraightShooter   Mar-15-06 03:10 AM   #157 
  - DITHERING DEMS!  Paul Dlugokencky   Mar-15-06 05:05 AM   #160 
  - I'd much prefer he be impeached too but ...  Sentinel Chicken   Mar-15-06 06:31 AM   #161 
  - Whether it's "half-assed" on Feingold's part, cowardice on the Dems' part,  deutsey   Mar-15-06 08:08 AM   #162 
  - Bush does not know what Censure is anyway...he thinks its a new Beer.  oc2002   Mar-15-06 09:58 AM   #163 
  - How much more "keep our powder dry" BS are we supposed to endure?  confludemocrat   Mar-15-06 12:03 PM   #166 
  - Oh, well. There's always the next election.  Canuckistanian   Mar-15-06 12:09 PM   #167 
  - He called everyone's bluff on both sides of the aisle.  PVK   Mar-15-06 02:46 PM   #168 
  - Opposition party in name only.  brainshrub   Mar-15-06 02:48 PM   #169 
  - No mixed feelings here ... GEAUX FEINGOLD!!!  Swamp Rat   Mar-15-06 02:54 PM   #170 
  - Exactly what a real Democrat Senator...  humbled_opinion   Mar-15-06 04:13 PM   #173 
  - Robert Parry weighs in on the immolation of Feingold.:  Trevelyan   Mar-15-06 05:48 PM   #174 
  - Mixed Feelings? HELL NO!  Blutodog   Mar-15-06 07:00 PM   #176 
  - What I don't like and maybe I am stupid--why not IMPEACHMENT?  Carni   Mar-15-06 07:32 PM   #178 
  - Here ya go:  NoSheep   Mar-16-06 12:38 PM   #181 
     - Yes I read it  Carni   Mar-16-06 03:55 PM   #182 
        - Money. That's the ultimate answer. Those who could are "haves" that  NoSheep   Mar-16-06 07:20 PM   #185 
  - Stop worrying, Skinner  Voltaire99   Mar-15-06 11:34 PM   #179 
  - Gosh, can you enlighten us with your obviously intellectually superior  mzmolly   Mar-18-06 02:32 PM   #186 
  - Feingold Speech A Disappointment to Me  Hidden Stillness   Mar-16-06 04:07 PM   #183 
  - Doesn't voting for censure now pretty much forestall Impeachment later?  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-16-06 04:18 PM   #184 
  - Censure NOW! -- impeachment after November...!  Imagevision   Mar-18-06 02:35 PM   #187 
 

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