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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 11:36 AM
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69. here is an interesting article about a relic of that notion:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,40...



A Protestant parish in Berlin has grabbed an ethical dilemma by the horns with an appeal for funds to save Germany's last Nazi era church. The building's interior is full of Third Reich symbols. The aim is to turn it into a place of remembrance.

The Third Reich collapsed 61 years ago but you wouldn't know it if you walk into the Martin Luther Memorial Church in Berlin. The stark entrance hall is lit by a black chandelier in the shape of an iron cross. The pulpit has a wooden carving of a muscular Jesus leading a helmeted Wehrmacht soldier and surrounded by an Aryan family. The baptismal font is guarded by a wooden statue of a stormtrooper from Adolf Hitler's paramilitary Sturmabteilung (SA) unit clutching his cap.
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  -Hitler & Christianity, help needed NewJeffCT  Mar-14-06 09:04 AM   #0 
  - check Amazon  glaeken777   Mar-14-06 09:06 AM   #1 
  - I agree with your friend and the evidence supporting it  YOY   Mar-14-06 09:08 AM   #2 
  - Yes, I completely agree  CornField   Mar-14-06 09:15 AM   #4 
  - which doesn't say much for the Christians who allowed this to happen  Iris   Mar-14-06 09:42 AM   #13 
  - If you want to call them Christians at all...  YOY   Mar-14-06 08:32 PM   #52 
  - Your friend is right  LostinVA   Mar-14-06 09:45 AM   #14 
  - Try these  acmejack   Mar-14-06 09:08 AM   #3 
  - Good resource  deutsey   Mar-14-06 09:16 AM   #6 
  - I had used that one  NewJeffCT   Mar-14-06 11:16 AM   #27 
  - Check this website. Al the photographic evidence you would want..  gordianot   Mar-14-06 09:15 AM   #5 
  - AFIK, starated out as a nice Catholic boy, then...  TreasonousBastard   Mar-14-06 09:28 AM   #7 
  - wasn't a very good Catholic  glaeken777   Mar-14-06 09:36 AM   #9 
  - Toward the end he sure wasn't.  TreasonousBastard   Mar-14-06 09:39 AM   #10 
  - I think that this is a great  Dorian Gray   Mar-14-06 09:49 AM   #15 
  - Hitler vs. Bonhoeffer (cheap grace vs. costly grace)  deutsey   Mar-14-06 09:31 AM   #8 
  - What is your goal in this discussion?  bryant69   Mar-14-06 09:41 AM   #11 
  - No, not at all  NewJeffCT   Mar-14-06 11:22 AM   #28 
  - It really comes down to "good Christian" vs. "bad Christian."  trotsky   Mar-14-06 09:42 AM   #12 
  - sorta  glaeken777   Mar-14-06 09:51 AM   #16 
  - It all depends on what one views as a "sin," now doesn't it?  trotsky   Mar-14-06 10:26 AM   #22 
  - I think that what people  Dorian Gray   Mar-14-06 09:52 AM   #17 
  - Christianity already includes elements of Paganism.  trotsky   Mar-14-06 10:29 AM   #24 
     - I would never claim to be the arbiter of what is "real" Christianity.  Dorian Gray   Mar-14-06 12:43 PM   #32 
        - I see your reasoning basically following two lines:  trotsky   Mar-14-06 01:00 PM   #33 
           - No...  Dorian Gray   Mar-14-06 02:31 PM   #42 
              - Well, I am coming from the state of mind of a non-Christian.  trotsky   Mar-14-06 02:55 PM   #45 
  - Yeah if that were the whole argument against Hitlers  bryant69   Mar-14-06 09:52 AM   #18 
     - The fundamental issue is, we can never know for certain.  trotsky   Mar-14-06 10:47 AM   #25 
        - Yes and no  bryant69   Mar-14-06 11:25 AM   #29 
           - There's a point being missed.  trotsky   Mar-14-06 12:03 PM   #31 
              - Fair enough.  bryant69   Mar-14-06 01:06 PM   #34 
                 - I think the argument is still the same,  trotsky   Mar-14-06 01:31 PM   #36 
                    - The argument isn't the same  bryant69   Mar-14-06 01:41 PM   #37 
                       - I don't hold Christianity responsible for the Holocaust.  trotsky   Mar-14-06 01:54 PM   #38 
                          - They aren't in my mind  bryant69   Mar-14-06 02:19 PM   #39 
                             - So we're back to where we started.  trotsky   Mar-14-06 02:57 PM   #46 
                             - I haven't claimed anything at all.  bryant69   Mar-14-06 03:06 PM   #48 
                                - Don't be so sure about Lincoln... ;-)  trotsky   Mar-14-06 03:41 PM   #49 
                             - Look...  misternormal   Mar-14-06 09:36 PM   #66 
  - I don't think you and your friend  cali   Mar-14-06 09:58 AM   #19 
  - I agree that we're not far apart  NewJeffCT   Mar-14-06 08:38 PM   #53 
  - .  hootinholler   Mar-14-06 10:13 AM   #20 
  - Read "The Holy Reich":  moobu2   Mar-14-06 10:24 AM   #21 
  - thanks  NewJeffCT   Mar-14-06 11:33 AM   #30 
  - just the book I was looking for - thank you - nt  Nabia2004   Mar-18-06 10:17 AM   #77 
  - I doubt that a sociopath like Hitler was capable of any genuine  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-14-06 10:27 AM   #23 
  - I had friends that argued that the Puritans kept a Saturday sabbath.  igil   Mar-14-06 10:56 AM   #26 
  - Facism + Christianity  Khaotic   Mar-14-06 01:16 PM   #35 
  - What is Facism?  RDU Socialist   Mar-14-06 02:30 PM   #41 
  - Hitler, like Stalin, hated religion  RDU Socialist   Mar-14-06 02:28 PM   #40 
  - That would go against what was posted above  NewJeffCT   Mar-14-06 02:32 PM   #43 
     - the discussion pertains to Hitler  RDU Socialist   Mar-14-06 03:00 PM   #47 
     - I should have said...  NewJeffCT   Mar-14-06 08:48 PM   #56 
     - well, I should have said  NewJeffCT   Mar-14-06 08:30 PM   #51 
  - The really appalling thing is the cooperation of the churches.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-14-06 02:41 PM   #44 
  - Hitler capitalized on his Christian population, but he wasn't Christian.  Xithras   Mar-14-06 03:48 PM   #50 
  - Banned Xianity from schools, my ass  onager   Mar-14-06 08:39 PM   #54 
     - He also said;  Dunedain   Mar-14-06 09:32 PM   #65 
     - Source?  onager   Mar-16-06 12:32 AM   #72 
     - He was as schizophrenic with this subject as anything else.  Xithras   Mar-16-06 02:42 PM   #76 
  - There's a picture of Hitler exiting a church. That proves he was devout.  Inland   Mar-14-06 08:45 PM   #55 
  - I was raised Catholic  RDU Socialist   Mar-14-06 08:57 PM   #57 
     - Yeah, that was the sarcasm part.  Inland   Mar-14-06 09:01 PM   #58 
        - So the "Gott ist mitt uns" on the SS belt buckles were...  Disturbed   Mar-14-06 09:14 PM   #60 
           - No, they were Hitler's devout prayers. He blessed them himself  Inland   Mar-14-06 09:21 PM   #62 
  - It sounds to me as if you two basically agree?  Katherine Brengle   Mar-14-06 09:02 PM   #59 
  - See the Straight Dope:  The Straight Story   Mar-14-06 09:15 PM   #61 
  - Before we start hanging swastikas and iron crosses...  misternormal   Mar-14-06 09:26 PM   #63 
  - that was part of my original response  NewJeffCT   Mar-14-06 09:48 PM   #67 
  - Check Wikipedia  Texacrat   Mar-14-06 09:31 PM   #64 
  - You can't really prove whether Hitler was or wasn't a Christian...  antigone382   Mar-14-06 09:54 PM   #68 
  - here is an interesting article about a relic of that notion:  Kellanved   Mar-15-06 11:36 AM   #69 
  - Hitler was raised as a Roman Catholic  Jack Rabbit   Mar-15-06 11:40 AM   #70 
  - He used it like bush.  mmonk   Mar-15-06 11:41 AM   #71 
  - I tracked down my hard copies of an article in "Free Inquiry"  Theduckno2   Mar-16-06 01:01 AM   #73 
  - Invoking religion NOT unique to Hitler!!! - Move along...  hexola   Mar-16-06 06:25 AM   #74 
  - Hitler was not a Christian...  PhilipShore   Mar-16-06 07:00 AM   #75 
 

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