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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:55 AM
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17. I DO want to hear this... because it's SO WRONG
It's just defeatism. Pure and simple.

Nobody cares what "scholars" think. Nor should they.

This is just the "legalistic" form of knee-jerk defeatism. There will also be "backlash" defeatism to deal with, and "civility" defeatism, and "later is always better - ducks in a row - strategic" defeatism, and "never gonna happen - gosh, we're so helpless" futilism, and on and on...

We're liberals. It's an ingrained behavior.

We need to stop being obsesseed with our abusers (like Specter*). It's a mental illness, really.

We need to stop finely honing our knife to prepare for what is always a gunfight.

We must start shooting. If we miss with spying, we fire again with torture, miss? fire with terrorizing the nation into war, miss? - stealing elections, miss? unlawful secrecy, and on and on. All these things will need to be brought to bear in the court of public opinion anyway to get rid of these crooks. It's the simple reality of "prosecution," from Eliot Ness doing Capone for tax evasion to Fitzgerald doing Scooter for perjury.

We don't need a censure/impeach movement. We just need to move - using the tools/methods available. It's not even about "succeeding" anymore, it's a matter of self respect. We need to finally take the humor out of the neofascists' favorite joke:

Gosh, for a minute there I thought they might actually DO something.

And there's nothing "constitutional" about any of this. That quaint contract was put into breach on January 6th, 2001. Since then EVERYTHING has been a purely political matter.

And a purely political matter is what Censure and/or Impeachment are in their totality. For those purposes something is illegal/legal, impeachable, censurable because you believe it to be - full stop.

You either choose to speak and/or act on those beliefs or you choose to be complicit with those who profess to believe otherwise.

That's right, you either oppose the never-legitimate, unlawful bushkid regime or you are complicit with it.


* For those who've seen the movie Rustlers' Rhapsody: "{He's} a lawyer, you idiot!"

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  -This may not be what you want to hear. Justice Is Comin  Mar-14-06 01:57 AM   #0 
  - Oh, Specter's a villain all right...  Mythsaje   Mar-14-06 02:01 AM   #1 
  - Thanks for your perspective....  Old and In the Way   Mar-14-06 02:18 AM   #2 
  - Can they prove that Kerry's advisor had his phone tapped? And How?  Maraya1969   Mar-14-06 03:00 AM   #9 
     - I don't know that answer. Seeing that this administration controls  Old and In the Way   Mar-14-06 12:10 PM   #32 
        - Christiane Amanpour's husband...  dchill   Mar-15-06 01:26 PM   #36 
  - Isn't Specter the guy...  dchill   Mar-14-06 02:31 AM   #3 
  - What are the chances of getting the FISA court to look at it??  hang a left   Mar-14-06 02:41 AM   #4 
  - when story broke, didn't several FISA judges say they were disturbed  bobbieinok   Mar-14-06 02:54 AM   #6 
  - Well I know that one resigned and left the court.  hang a left   Mar-14-06 02:59 AM   #8 
  - You have a passel of questions there.  Justice Is Comin   Mar-14-06 03:13 AM   #10 
  - Thank you for responding.  hang a left   Mar-14-06 03:19 AM   #11 
  - Oh you can put money on that.  Justice Is Comin   Mar-14-06 03:34 AM   #14 
  - I also found this quote  hang a left   Mar-14-06 03:27 AM   #12 
  - Yes, one of the FISA judges quit in disgust, but  vickiss   Mar-14-06 06:22 AM   #21 
  - Is your signature picture available on a t-shirt?  freefall   Mar-14-06 06:56 AM   #23 
  - Here is the one article in the Constitution about Personal Liberty at  Maraya1969   Mar-14-06 02:50 AM   #5 
  - Only one small problem with that- WE ARE NOT AT WAR.  Prisoner_Number_Six   Mar-14-06 02:54 AM   #7 
  - Thank you. I find that simple statement has managed  WannaJumpMyScooter   Mar-14-06 03:36 AM   #15 
  - and he even declared that war over  C_U_L8R   Mar-14-06 04:17 AM   #18 
  - It might be hard to prove but it's pretty much a given  rman   Mar-14-06 03:30 AM   #13 
  - Seems in direct violation to the fourth amendment to me.  HuskerDU   Mar-14-06 03:42 AM   #16 
  - I DO want to hear this... because it's SO WRONG  Senator   Mar-14-06 03:55 AM   #17 
  - Maybe constitutional scholars -- at the Rutherford Institute or Jerry F's  no_hypocrisy   Mar-14-06 05:55 AM   #19 
  - Where were these scholars  Xap   Mar-14-06 06:17 AM   #20 
  - Excellent, thoughtful analysis -- now here is my (harsh) criticism  HamdenRice   Mar-14-06 06:42 AM   #22 
  - Unfortunately that is the only  Justice Is Comin   Mar-14-06 12:04 PM   #31 
  - This was decided back in the late 1860's.  Warren Stupidity   Mar-14-06 07:23 AM   #24 
  - Russ Feingold graduated Summa Cum Laude from Harvard Law School  FLDem5   Mar-14-06 07:35 AM   #25 
  - Yeah, just like if people were willing to debate whether Dahmer's  tasteblind   Mar-14-06 07:37 AM   #26 
  - Except those scholars aren't really constitutional scholars they  izzybeans   Mar-14-06 08:43 AM   #27 
  - You have brought the ends of the circle together  Justice Is Comin   Mar-14-06 11:41 AM   #30 
  - Call your Senators and ask them this...  ClassWarrior   Mar-14-06 08:45 AM   #28 
  - Thank you for the well reasoned enlightening post. nt.  Mr_Jefferson_24   Mar-14-06 11:15 AM   #29 
  - Except Bush spied on Americans *before* "the war"  KansDem   Mar-14-06 12:16 PM   #33 
  - This is your passion speaking  Justice Is Comin   Mar-14-06 12:30 PM   #34 
  - Reports of wiretapping anti-war activists...  LeftHander   Mar-14-06 12:36 PM   #35 
  - the fascists have mastered the art of turning everything into an "opinion"  leftofthedial   Mar-15-06 01:31 PM   #37 
  - Show me where in the Constitution,  mmonk   Mar-15-06 01:34 PM   #38 

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