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211. Those are really great personal stories
and if they were mine, I would likely have the same opinion. My memory, however, is of the morning after the election - me, on the little pink barge, screaming with rage, tearing up every campaign poster I had and knowing that, for the first time ever, I could be homocidal. I've let go of the rage but not the feeling of betrayal. Give me a decade or two. At least I no longer spit on the ground when his name is mentioned. That's progress.
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  -Two personal experiences with John Kerry, and why I'd support him... WilliamPitt  Mar-13-06 04:17 PM   #0 
  - If Kerry wants to run again he better dump those fucking advisers.  Vincardog   Mar-13-06 04:22 PM   #1 
  - I agree Vincardog -- Kerry would need to dump his advisors  SeattleGirl   Mar-13-06 04:27 PM   #4 
  - He knows, Vincardog.  Vektor   Mar-13-06 04:56 PM   #14 
  - What's amazing is that FEW of those heavyhitting newsies gave any  blm   Mar-13-06 04:25 PM   #2 
  - How so unfortunately very true.  TankLV   Mar-14-06 12:27 AM   #173 
  - Yes, Kerry is a good man  cally   Mar-13-06 04:26 PM   #3 
  - "He handled every question and ran from none."  mike_c   Mar-13-06 04:29 PM   #5 
  - Here you go  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 04:34 PM   #8 
     - I will always have a problem with any Democrat who demonstrated  BurtWorm   Mar-13-06 04:44 PM   #11 
     - I think it says something  Vektor   Mar-13-06 04:58 PM   #15 
        - Unfortunately (and this is my biggest beef with Kerry)...  Everybody   Mar-13-06 05:19 PM   #23 
        - As some of us were discussing upthread...  Vektor   Mar-13-06 05:21 PM   #24 
        - I hope he does not make that same mistake.  TankLV   Mar-14-06 12:35 AM   #175 
        - Bush is not that hard a nut to crack.  BurtWorm   Mar-14-06 12:39 PM   #193 
        - You're right...he glossed it over IN PUBLIC  Raksha   Mar-13-06 07:11 PM   #77 
        - Kerry claimed OBL video released before the ekection did him in  Imagevision   Mar-13-06 11:15 PM   #167 
        - Very true--about both  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 06:53 PM   #71 
     - So Alterman didn't know Dean supported Biden-Lugar version of IWR, either  blm   Mar-13-06 05:32 PM   #31 
     - Some got it right  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 06:00 PM   #46 
     - Possibly, but I still think both camps didn't help much when they chose  blm   Mar-13-06 07:25 PM   #86 
     - I don't think it had much of an impact on the Iowa outcome...  Iowa   Mar-13-06 07:44 PM   #99 
        - I know what you mean about the personal guy  TayTay   Mar-13-06 08:38 PM   #137 
           - LOLOL! n/t  _dynamicdems   Mar-14-06 08:46 AM   #189 
     - blm, don't blame Kerry's vote on Dean. That is so wrong.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 06:29 PM   #62 
     - That's not what BLM was saying  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 06:40 PM   #65 
     - No, that is a lie spread by Kerry people to excuse his vote.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 06:43 PM   #67 
        - You are twisting what was said  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 06:46 PM   #69 
        - Don't keep implying he supported the war.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 07:07 PM   #74 
           - You miss the point entirely - B-L was not much different than the IWR  blm   Mar-13-06 07:16 PM   #80 
           - You are doing the misrepresenting  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 07:17 PM   #82 
              - I have all those statements. If you want to go toe to toe, Ron..  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 07:26 PM   #87 
                 - It is you who keep trying to relive the primaries  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 08:04 PM   #110 
                    - Read my post to blm below.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 08:09 PM   #112 
                       - Not putting responsibility on Dean  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 08:14 PM   #119 
                          - My husband and I supported Kerry strongly.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 08:17 PM   #125 
        - Dean's support of Biden-Lugar is not a lie - and I would like to see how  blm   Mar-13-06 07:28 PM   #89 
           - I never said that, blm...he did say BL would tie Bush's hands.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 08:05 PM   #111 
              - Doesn't matter what you have - Biden-Lugar was NOT the antiwar position  blm   Mar-13-06 08:16 PM   #124 
                 - If that makes you feel better, you just think that.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 08:19 PM   #130 
                 - Well, you're welcome to show that Biden-Lugar was the antiwar position.  blm   Mar-13-06 08:27 PM   #134 
                    - Don't you wish everyone had to vote on the IWR?  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 08:53 PM   #146 
                       - I wish Biden-Lugar was passed. It was a bit better bill, and it sure would  blm   Mar-13-06 08:57 PM   #148 
                       - Would have been better  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 09:04 PM   #151 
                       - Also wish people paid attention to more than the vote  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 09:07 PM   #153 
                       - You just keep on excusing him.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 09:36 PM   #160 
                       - There you go again  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 09:43 PM   #161 
                       - I remember Kerry saying that he'd voted for the IWR to get the inspectors  LittleClarkie   Mar-14-06 08:32 PM   #202 
                 - Truth be known neither IWR or Biden Lugar was supposed to be  LittleClarkie   Mar-14-06 09:17 PM   #208 
     - How is saying that the two men had similar positions  LittleClarkie   Mar-14-06 08:36 PM   #203 
     - Dean's feet were held to the fire just before the NYC protest  mdmc   Mar-14-06 08:22 AM   #188 
     - thanks-- I had to run out to the vet's office and just returned....  mike_c   Mar-13-06 05:35 PM   #33 
     - Source for your dates?  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 05:55 PM   #42 
        - I was referring to the reason they weren't in Baghdad...  mike_c   Mar-14-06 10:53 AM   #192 
     - Kerry's answer understandable in light of Bush's statements on IWR vote  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 05:54 PM   #40 
     - What I never understood...right after that meeting you went to Kucinich.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 06:32 PM   #64 
     - I went to Kucinich  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 07:15 PM   #79 
        - Not about support for a single candidate  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 07:23 PM   #85 
           - I don't bash any candidate. I am not a Kucinich supporter.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 07:31 PM   #91 
           - We had a JK forum?  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 07:42 PM   #96 
           - Recent event  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 08:09 PM   #113 
              - Ah  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 08:11 PM   #115 
              - There are many candidate forums here  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 08:18 PM   #128 
                 - Others stopped using theirs for gossip long ago.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 08:21 PM   #132 
                    - That is not what happened  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 08:38 PM   #138 
                       - You apparently don't know the whole story.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 08:48 PM   #140 
              - Flat out not true, Ron.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 08:13 PM   #117 
                 - Untrue account  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 08:15 PM   #122 
           - Not exactly what happened  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 07:59 PM   #107 
              - You were presenting untrue things, and I defended.  madfloridian   Mar-13-06 08:14 PM   #118 
           - Dr Ron and Will Pitt see things the same way I do  nmliberal   Mar-14-06 01:07 PM   #194 
     - Very illuminating.  TankLV   Mar-14-06 12:33 AM   #174 
     - He didn't need three hours, he need thirty seconds to say  mdmc   Mar-14-06 08:20 AM   #187 
  - Senator Kerry is a good man and deserved to win in '04  WI_DEM   Mar-13-06 04:32 PM   #6 
  - Outsider?  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 07:09 PM   #76 
  - Politi-history doesn't MATTER ANYMORE. Corporate media changed everything  blm   Mar-14-06 02:03 PM   #195 
  - I'm with you...see y'all in the Primaries...  zulchzulu   Mar-13-06 04:32 PM   #7 
  - Be sure to post when you finish it -- I would LOVE to see it EOM  emulatorloo   Mar-14-06 06:09 AM   #184 
  - President Kerry Is One Of The Most Top Notch Politicians There Is IMO.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Mar-13-06 04:35 PM   #9 
  - I agree 100%, and I would support him 100%. He did win in 2004. ....n/t  WiseButAngrySara   Mar-13-06 05:23 PM   #25 
  - Kerry's environmentalism is the main reason I voted for him and  livetohike   Mar-13-06 04:38 PM   #10 
  - I'm on board Will - If he wants to run, I will be there with him. n/t  Sydnie   Mar-13-06 04:45 PM   #12 
  - Agreed - I've met him, and myself and several DUers had the  Vektor   Mar-13-06 04:53 PM   #13 
  - I voted for him, and I'd vote for him again. HOWEVER  phylny   Mar-13-06 05:34 PM   #32 
     - I think he is making progress in that area.  politicasista   Mar-13-06 05:37 PM   #35 
     - I didn't see that.  July   Mar-13-06 05:57 PM   #45 
     - 49% understood him n/t  sandnsea   Mar-13-06 06:03 PM   #49 
     - He does vary  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 06:05 PM   #50 
        - I agree with what you're saying. I'm not suggesting that he has to  phylny   Mar-13-06 06:08 PM   #54 
           - Some days he got it, and some days he didn't  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 06:11 PM   #55 
              - Yes, and for those who feel he's uppity, elitist, and doesn't speak  phylny   Mar-13-06 07:44 PM   #98 
  - I've never met the man but I emailed his Senate office in Aug 2002  AZDemDist6   Mar-13-06 05:02 PM   #16 
  - i really think  druidity33   Mar-13-06 07:02 PM   #73 
  - Good to hear from someone based upon experience  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 05:07 PM   #17 
  - If Kerry runs, I will definately vote for him  karynnj   Mar-13-06 05:09 PM   #18 
  - Thank you, Will, for taking the time to share this with us.  babylonsister   Mar-13-06 05:11 PM   #19 
  - Kick and recommend  politicasista   Mar-13-06 05:12 PM   #20 
  - Watch Kerry schmoozing a crowd..thats class.  Ksec   Mar-13-06 05:16 PM   #21 
  - Kerry and Clark are my favorites in front of crowds, too. They both  blm   Mar-13-06 05:39 PM   #36 
  - Excellent as always Mr. Pitt.  ohtransplant   Mar-13-06 05:18 PM   #22 
  - Wonderful Post Will; No flame suit required for me. I agree. K and R. n/t  WiseButAngrySara   Mar-13-06 05:25 PM   #26 
  - Kerry is a good guy  benny05   Mar-13-06 05:25 PM   #27 
  - Thank you for this thread.  abbiehoff   Mar-13-06 05:26 PM   #28 
  - Excellent insights. Thanks! n/t  ProSense   Mar-13-06 05:26 PM   #29 
  - You are still DLC after all these years..  KoKo01   Mar-13-06 05:28 PM   #30 
  - Why don't you see anti-corruption Dems as being progressives?  blm   Mar-13-06 05:36 PM   #34 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-13-06 05:42 PM   #37 
  - With all due respect  dsc   Mar-13-06 05:49 PM   #38 
  - I don't think Kerry is a Vichy dem  Taverner   Mar-13-06 05:51 PM   #39 
  - Kerry is a VERY NICE GUY! Done great stuff on Environment....BUT!  KoKo01   Mar-13-06 06:07 PM   #53 
  - Why? Are we back to Jan 2004 all over again???  Malikshah   Mar-13-06 05:54 PM   #41 
  - Mmmm.  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 06:01 PM   #48 
     - Feel free to post-- feel free to be condescending  Malikshah   Mar-13-06 06:11 PM   #56 
     - I don't "have" a candidate  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 06:16 PM   #58 
        - Hmmmm....  Malikshah   Mar-13-06 07:02 PM   #72 
           - So...as a Spokesperson for PDA who is YOUR CANDIDATE?  KoKo01   Mar-13-06 07:38 PM   #93 
              - These are my candidates  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 07:46 PM   #100 
     - i thought it was a great post  pitohui   Mar-13-06 08:17 PM   #127 
  - I Will Be Supporting Him  stepnw1f   Mar-13-06 05:56 PM   #43 
  - What's his position on universal health care? Immigration reform?  leftstreet   Mar-13-06 05:57 PM   #44 
  - He answered those questions on CSPAN, in Nashua N.H. this past weekend  discerning christian   Mar-14-06 01:06 AM   #178 
     - So is he for national health care, or not?  leftstreet   Mar-14-06 01:32 AM   #179 
        - He didn't specify which plan,(that I can recall)  discerning christian   Mar-14-06 02:19 AM   #183 
  - Well, I'm sure a lot of us could relay...  incapsulated   Mar-13-06 06:00 PM   #47 
  - When he spear heads BBV reform, i'll take a 2nd look...  bpilgrim   Mar-13-06 06:05 PM   #51 
  - And if no Dem spearheads BBV in 2008, will you sit the election out?  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 06:06 PM   #52 
  - uh, i have been fighting and pass'n the word for 5 years in my small way  bpilgrim   Mar-13-06 06:12 PM   #57 
     - You didn't answer my question  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 06:16 PM   #60 
        - yes, i did... i will never surrender  bpilgrim   Mar-13-06 06:27 PM   #61 
           - Actually, you didn't  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 06:44 PM   #68 
              - nevermind  bpilgrim   Mar-13-06 07:09 PM   #75 
              - Do you have a link to Kerry's Stand on: VERIFIED PAPER BALLOT?  KoKo01   Mar-13-06 07:15 PM   #78 
                 - 'k...  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 07:18 PM   #84 
                    - There's nothing on your PDA link about VVP Ballot so, Will,  KoKo01   Mar-13-06 08:03 PM   #109 
  - Actually, I'm with bpilgrim on this - the ONLY Dem who CAN win is the one  blm   Mar-13-06 07:56 PM   #105 
     - I've not seen Will as a Rep of PDA take a stand on this, though...but  KoKo01   Mar-13-06 08:11 PM   #114 
     - *faint*  bpilgrim   Mar-13-06 08:19 PM   #131 
  - Kerry is our best chance to "stop Hillary" if she is thinking of running  cryingshame   Mar-13-06 06:16 PM   #59 
  - Hey...even if one doesn't "like" Hillary..she will FIGHT FOR Pro-CHOICE  KoKo01   Mar-13-06 07:42 PM   #95 
  - well not all wish to stop hillary  pitohui   Mar-13-06 08:18 PM   #129 
  - thanks for sharing those experiences  undeterred   Mar-13-06 06:31 PM   #63 
  - kerry has a very good record...and mostly i agree with him on  lionesspriyanka   Mar-13-06 06:40 PM   #66 
  - In my opinion, Kerry is an ideal leader.  Just Me   Mar-13-06 06:49 PM   #70 
  - All well and good but  rug   Mar-13-06 07:17 PM   #81 
  - I will support Kerry if he is the man picked.  Rex   Mar-13-06 07:18 PM   #83 
  - Why Not Gore? He's lost his handlers and is making sense  kohodog   Mar-13-06 07:26 PM   #88 
  - Well, since I never met him  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 07:28 PM   #90 
     - you suffer the curse  annabanana   Mar-13-06 07:42 PM   #97 
  - well....  DanCa   Mar-13-06 07:31 PM   #92 
  - Huh?  incapsulated   Mar-13-06 07:40 PM   #94 
     - I said some not all (nt)  DanCa   Mar-13-06 07:50 PM   #101 
        - You said "most"  incapsulated   Mar-13-06 07:54 PM   #104 
           - Senator Kerry wasn't my first choice either ...  DanCa   Mar-13-06 08:15 PM   #121 
              - I'm honestly confused, here  incapsulated   Mar-13-06 08:51 PM   #143 
  - The question is not whether he would make a magnificent President  ruggerson   Mar-13-06 07:51 PM   #102 
  - he was terrific in the debates  pitohui   Mar-13-06 08:21 PM   #133 
  - Why don't you ask the "guys" in NAM ,  discerning christian   Mar-14-06 12:55 AM   #176 
  - I loved the Kerry/Edwards ticket  Inspired   Mar-13-06 07:54 PM   #103 
  - Dear Inspired,  discerning christian   Mar-14-06 01:00 AM   #177 
  - He apologized for his IWR vote?  senseandsensibility   Mar-13-06 07:58 PM   #106 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-13-06 07:59 PM   #108 
  - well i'd support him too, as i recall i DID support him  pitohui   Mar-13-06 08:12 PM   #116 
  - Will, respectfully Kerry was the only presidential candidate invited to  mzmolly   Mar-13-06 08:14 PM   #120 
  - He wasn't invited  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 08:16 PM   #123 
     - Ahh, very interesting.  mzmolly   Mar-13-06 08:17 PM   #126 
     - At that time no media would cover Kerry as they had proclaimed his  blm   Mar-13-06 09:10 PM   #155 
        - Well it was a smart move on his part in hind site.  mzmolly   Mar-13-06 09:14 PM   #158 
     - I hope they ALL RUN!  KoKo01   Mar-13-06 08:31 PM   #135 
  - WOW! I envy you for those experiences...  Wrinkle_In_Time   Mar-13-06 08:35 PM   #136 
  - Let's see  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 09:09 PM   #154 
     - Of course I can't...  Wrinkle_In_Time   Mar-13-06 10:15 PM   #163 
        - Thoughts and opinions people disagree with  WilliamPitt   Mar-14-06 12:04 AM   #171 
           - That's cool. I apologise for MY snarkiness...  Wrinkle_In_Time   Mar-14-06 07:48 PM   #200 
  - Cheesuz Will, you're from Boston or functionally so anyway  TayTay   Mar-13-06 08:46 PM   #139 
  - I believe he has, just in a more polite form n/t  Dr Ron   Mar-13-06 08:50 PM   #142 
  - Scotch  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 08:51 PM   #144 
     - Wading through all those links you gave me to read to support your  KoKo01   Mar-13-06 08:57 PM   #147 
  - It ain't worth much. In fact, you are fool, Will Pitt. (n/t)  FlemingsGhost   Mar-13-06 08:50 PM   #141 
  - And to screwing all thems grammar rules and thing  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 08:52 PM   #145 
     - A fool thinks "elections" are how fascists are driven from power  FlemingsGhost   Mar-13-06 08:59 PM   #150 
  - I have no doubt..  sendero   Mar-13-06 08:57 PM   #149 
  - I think I have the perfect slogan, Will. (pic)  dorkulon   Mar-13-06 09:07 PM   #152 
  - Thanks. Now at least I know why he got great press after December.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-13-06 09:11 PM   #156 
  - He earned it  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 09:13 PM   #157 
  - well he did win the nomination!  FrenchieCat   Mar-13-06 10:37 PM   #166 
  - Ahm, you mean the same press that was ready to write  TayTay   Mar-13-06 09:21 PM   #159 
  - This is a wonderful post. It proves what I have always felt about  wisteria   Mar-13-06 09:51 PM   #162 
  - Thanks for the interesting personal accounts, Will.  8_year_nightmare   Mar-13-06 10:23 PM   #164 
  - Pro-Kerry threads often sink rapidly around here.  LeahD   Mar-13-06 10:30 PM   #165 
  - Nice post Will  Laurab   Mar-13-06 11:23 PM   #168 
  - Aw, shucks  WilliamPitt   Mar-13-06 11:25 PM   #169 
  - Sure he'd have made a better president than Bush  eridani   Mar-14-06 12:01 AM   #170 
  - can't we find a *new* SKULL AND BONESman?  upi402   Mar-14-06 12:14 AM   #172 
  - I'd prefer a non-ivy leaguer. Too much elitism in American politics. n/t  Clarkie1   Mar-14-06 01:39 AM   #180 
  - Thanks for the productive Rovian talking points  politicasista   Mar-14-06 01:43 AM   #181 
  - So calling * part of the politically elite would be a Rovian talking point  Clarkie1   Mar-14-06 10:51 AM   # 
  - So calling * part of the politically elite would be a Rovian talking point  Clarkie1   Mar-14-06 10:51 AM   #190 
  - Soft fingers make poor policy  upi402   Mar-14-06 01:43 AM   #182 
     - That's a good way to sum it up as well. n/t  Clarkie1   Mar-14-06 10:52 AM   #191 
  - What EXACTLY in the name of Art Bell does that have to do with anything?  LittleClarkie   Mar-15-06 02:40 AM   #213 
  - Well, my sense is that Kerry is a phony and you are just fooled by him  Bread and Circus   Mar-14-06 06:22 AM   #185 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-14-06 02:33 PM   #197 
  - look whos talkin  bpilgrim   Mar-14-06 08:59 PM   #207 
  - Nixon White House pushed the word "phony" in the press against Kerry.  blm   Mar-15-06 09:38 AM   #216 
  - if I had this kind of access to him, I would support him too.  mdmc   Mar-14-06 08:13 AM   #186 
  - Not me - He was fine and people were happy to see him and talk  Mass   Mar-14-06 08:37 PM   #204 
     - zell is the easiest way to show my yellowdoggieness in 2008  mdmc   Mar-14-06 09:59 PM   #209 
     - I liked the ease with which he worked the crowds after  LittleClarkie   Mar-15-06 02:31 AM   #212 
  - I agree with the second half, but as for the first  Ron Mexico   Mar-14-06 02:15 PM   #196 
  - WTF  WildEyedLiberal   Mar-14-06 02:34 PM   #198 
     - I have never run into anyone, ANYONE, who  Ron Mexico   Mar-14-06 04:58 PM   #199 
        - Name one man to man matchup that Kerry lost to Bush.  blm   Mar-15-06 09:35 AM   #215 
  - Kerry is great on the environment, but his chances are next to nil  mtnsnake   Mar-14-06 08:06 PM   #201 
  - I went along in '04.  LWolf   Mar-14-06 08:56 PM   #205 
  - my biggest issue with Kerry is that he offers a stationary target...  bridgit   Mar-14-06 08:58 PM   #206 
  - So why does he not state for the record in the Senate that the war was  leesa   Mar-14-06 10:04 PM   #210 
  - Those are really great personal stories  tavalon   Mar-15-06 02:24 AM   #211 
  - He won't get my support....  BooScout   Mar-15-06 03:10 AM   #214 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-15-06 02:38 PM   #217 
  - Will, is this your original post of when you were with Kerry in NH ?  LSK   Mar-15-06 11:35 PM   #218 
 

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