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59. From Wikipedia - must meet several of the criteria.
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 08:16 PM by applegrove
Orifinally posted by LoZoccolo here:


"Allegations exhibiting several of the following features are candidates for classification as conspiracy theories. Confidence in such classification improves the more such features are exhibited:

1.Initiated on the basis of limited, partial or circumstantial evidence.

Conceived in reaction to media reports and images, as opposed to, for example, thorough knowledge of the relevant forensic evidence.

2.Addresses an event or process that has broad historical or emotional impact.

Seeks to interpret a phenomenon which has near-universal interest and emotional significance, a story that may thus be of some compelling interest to a wide audience.

3.Reduces morally complex social phenomena to simple, immoral actions.

Impersonal, institutional processes, especially errors and oversights, interpreted as malign, consciously intended and designed by immoral individuals.

4.Personifies complex social phenomena as powerful individual conspirators

Related to (3) but distinct from it, deduces the existence of powerful individual conspirators from the 'impossibility' that a chain of events lacked direction by a person.

5.Allots superhuman talents and/or resources to conspirators.

May require conspirators to possess unique discipline, never to repent, to possess unknown technology, uncommon psychological insight, historical foresight, etc.

6.Key steps in argument rely on inductive, not deductive reasoning.

Inductive steps are mistaken to bear as much confidence as deductive ones.

7.Appeals to 'common sense'.

Common sense steps substitute for the more robust, academically respectable methodologies available for investigating sociological phenomena.

8.Exhibits well-established logical and methodological fallacies

Formal and informal logical fallacies <1> are readily identifiable among the key steps of the argument.

9.Is produced and circulated by 'outsiders', generally lacking peer review

Story originates with a person who lacks any insider contact or knowledge, and enjoys popularity among persons who lack critical (especially technical) knowledge.

10.Is upheld by persons with demonstrably false conceptions of relevant science

At least some of the story's believers believe it on the basis of a mistaken grasp of elementary scientific facts.

11.Enjoys zero credibility in expert communities

Academics and professionals tend to ignore the story, treating it as too frivolous to invest their time and risk their personal authority in disproving.

12. Rebuttals provided by experts are ignored or accommodated through elaborate new twists in the narrative

When experts do respond to the story with critical new evidence, the conspiracy is elaborated (sometimes to a spectacular degree) to discount the new evidence. "
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  -Conspiracies only exist in the minds of crazy people linazelle  Jan-05-06 01:33 PM   #0 
  - And what is the government's version of what happened on  Benhurst   Jan-05-06 01:36 PM   #1 
  - They didn't use a Lone Gunman this time out, breaking with tradition.  EVDebs   Jan-05-06 09:09 PM   #64 
  - DId Ya See That Thread Yesterday  stepnw1f   Jan-05-06 01:37 PM   #2 
  - I didn't see the thread you mention. What thread was that? nt  linazelle   Jan-05-06 01:41 PM   #3 
     - Somebody Posted a Poll  stepnw1f   Jan-05-06 01:46 PM   #5 
     - Here It Is  stepnw1f   Jan-05-06 02:37 PM   #25 
        - What's funny is that you look at the responses and only a small  linazelle   Jan-05-06 05:25 PM   #41 
  - The Holocaust  CJCRANE   Jan-05-06 01:41 PM   #4 
  - Yes. It's amazing what real conspiracies look like (the Holocaust)  linazelle   Jan-05-06 01:47 PM   #7 
  - But now there's a conspiracy theory  Marie26   Jan-06-06 10:10 AM   #87 
  - I agree. Abramoff, damn conspiracist.  HR_Pufnstuf   Jan-05-06 01:47 PM   #6 
  - The "spir" in conspiracy means "breath"  BurtWorm   Jan-05-06 01:49 PM   #8 
  - Really? Where did you find that definition?  linazelle   Jan-05-06 01:55 PM   #12 
     - They are connected. The "spire" in a church is symbolic  NCevilDUer   Jan-05-06 02:15 PM   #15 
     - Sure, that's what it's about.  BurtWorm   Jan-05-06 02:18 PM   #17 
  - This group in power projects everything  Nite Owl   Jan-05-06 01:49 PM   #9 
  - You are so right. It gets tiring looking at lie after wonder  linazelle   Jan-05-06 01:51 PM   #11 
  - Right. They are calling the people who do not trust Rove & al - crazies,  applegrove   Jan-05-06 03:36 PM   #26 
  - Boy. That Just About Says It All, Nite Owl.  AuntiBush   Jan-05-06 08:52 PM   #61 
  - Washington, D.C. is constructed of conspiracies made by.......  Double T   Jan-05-06 01:50 PM   #10 
  - Right now I'm reading  MountainLaurel   Jan-05-06 01:57 PM   #13 
  - Start a list of proven past conspiracys here:  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 02:14 PM   #14 
  - Teapot Dome.  NCevilDUer   Jan-05-06 02:18 PM   #16 
  - The JFK and RFK and MLK,JR. assassinations....  jus_the_facts   Jan-05-06 02:19 PM   #18 
  - I'll go ahead and say Paul Wellstone's death too....  jus_the_facts   Jan-05-06 02:21 PM   #20 
  - Suspected by many. Considered not proven by most.  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 05:07 PM   #36 
  - I'd give this the nod. Some might not.  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 05:25 PM   #42 
  - 9/11  Al-CIAda   Jan-05-06 02:21 PM   #19 
  - Gotta apply tinfoil here.  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 05:16 PM   #38 
  - iran/contra  rman   Jan-05-06 02:22 PM   #21 
  - Bingo.  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 05:19 PM   #39 
  - Voter Fraud from 2000 to today.  jus_the_facts   Jan-05-06 02:24 PM   #22 
  - Again, gotta apply tinfoil.  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 05:22 PM   #40 
     - Nothing's been proven from he 2000 election? Votes weren't  linazelle   Jan-05-06 05:28 PM   #43 
        - Oh, I'm with ya. But the courts aren't.  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 05:38 PM   #45 
  - Somebody mentioned the Holocaust earlier. nt  linazelle   Jan-05-06 02:27 PM   #23 
  - Dual conspiracies, I think.  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 05:30 PM   #44 
  - What's your definition of proven?  Balbus   Jan-05-06 02:35 PM   #24 
  - 2000 election going to someone other than the person elected is well  applegrove   Jan-05-06 03:38 PM   #27 
  - All of it are theories...  Balbus   Jan-05-06 04:30 PM   #33 
     - Patterns of behaviour are proof. All the ones I say have good evidence  applegrove   Jan-05-06 06:58 PM   #50 
     - GOP not proven accountable for turning the 2000 election into a race  applegrove   Jan-05-06 07:37 PM   #56 
        - And who has been held accountable for that?  Balbus   Jan-05-06 10:06 PM   #74 
           - There could be a conspiracy to get the election even when they didn't have  applegrove   Jan-05-06 11:00 PM   #75 
              - but this sub thread was asking for "proven" conspiracy theories.  Balbus   Jan-06-06 08:11 AM   #83 
                 - Yep  Ready4Change   Jan-07-06 09:35 AM   #93 
  - I agree, hard to say.  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 05:50 PM   #47 
  - Allende  MountainLaurel   Jan-05-06 03:54 PM   #29 
  - Iraq-gate  Octafish   Jan-05-06 04:32 PM   #34 
  - Not sure exactly what action/era you are refering to.  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 06:26 PM   #48 
     - That's Rummy shaking Saddam's hand in (IIRC) 1983  Monkey see Monkey Do   Jan-05-06 08:12 PM   #58 
        - Thanks for the info.  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 09:20 PM   #68 
  - Operation Gladio  rman   Jan-06-06 04:19 AM   #76 
  - Operation Mockingbird  rman   Jan-06-06 04:20 AM   #77 
  - COINTELPRO  rman   Jan-06-06 04:21 AM   #78 
  - My difficulties with the above 3 items...  Ready4Change   Jan-06-06 09:45 AM   #84 
     - Gladio is considered "clandestine" - not just covert,  rman   Jan-06-06 01:30 PM   #89 
        - I forgot to include Gladio.  Ready4Change   Jan-07-06 09:38 AM   #94 
  - Enron price gouging. WTC air quality EPA cover up. Tobacco & Asbestos  stickdog   Jan-06-06 05:42 AM   #80 
  - Some good ones in there. n/t  Ready4Change   Jan-06-06 09:46 AM   #85 
  - Wikipedia's list pf proven conspiracies.  stickdog   Jan-06-06 05:43 AM   #81 
  - that's almost worthy of a thread on its own  rman   Jan-06-06 01:44 PM   #90 
  - Very good. But how do they skip from Ceasar to GHW Bush?  linazelle   Jan-06-06 01:48 PM   #91 
  - The shootdown of KAL 007 (nt)  stickdog   Jan-06-06 07:03 AM   #82 
  - Certainly a theory.  Ready4Change   Jan-06-06 10:02 AM   #86 
  - Aaron Burr Conspiracy  Marie26   Jan-06-06 01:03 PM   #88 
     - That sounds like a good one.  Ready4Change   Jan-07-06 09:28 AM   #92 
  - researchers and detectives connect the dots  librechik   Jan-05-06 03:42 PM   #28 
  - A word about the word "conspiracy":  pinto   Jan-05-06 04:14 PM   #30 
  - another opponent of shame-based reasoning  dusmcj   Jan-05-06 04:21 PM   #31 
  - Police detectives deal with conspiracy theories everyday...  wildbilln864   Jan-05-06 04:29 PM   #32 
  - Hi wildbilln864!!  newyawker99   Jan-05-06 05:42 PM   #46 
  - Why black & white? Some conspiracies are plausible  A-Schwarzenegger   Jan-05-06 04:44 PM   #35 
  - Nicely reasoned response. nt  linazelle   Jan-05-06 05:09 PM   #37 
  - i notice you left out 911...  bpilgrim   Jan-05-06 07:08 PM   #53 
     - I dont believe BushCo made it happen or let it happen.  A-Schwarzenegger   Jan-05-06 07:22 PM   #54 
        - i do respect your honesty and so do the 'fucking crazies'  bpilgrim   Jan-05-06 07:37 PM   #55 
  - Isn't one of the characteristics of conspiracies  justabob   Jan-05-06 06:43 PM   #49 
  - Conspiracy implies multiple people, acting in secret.  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 07:00 PM   #51 
  - Well, an awful lot of people must be crazy...  StraightDope   Jan-05-06 07:00 PM   #52 
  - How about the take out of the democratically elected leader of Zaire  applegrove   Jan-05-06 08:05 PM   #57 
  - From Wikipedia - must meet several of the criteria.  applegrove   Jan-05-06 08:13 PM   #59 
  - the bashers are excellent generalist on DU but when it comes to a specific  bpilgrim   Jan-05-06 08:55 PM   #62 
     - We never have to fear the truth. The scientific, fact based truth. They  applegrove   Jan-05-06 08:57 PM   #63 
        - as i always say...  bpilgrim   Jan-05-06 09:12 PM   #65 
           - You too! We shall overcome - as long as we do it as adults with might,  applegrove   Jan-05-06 09:13 PM   #66 
              - thats what makes DU great  bpilgrim   Jan-05-06 09:18 PM   #67 
                 - Happy New Year!  applegrove   Jan-05-06 09:26 PM   #69 
                 - 2005 DU New Year Slide Show  bpilgrim   Jan-05-06 09:49 PM   #72 
                    - Al Gore, adult, looks like he could have punched out an African elephant  applegrove   Jan-05-06 10:01 PM   #73 
                 - It got me to look up deduction and induction.  Ready4Change   Jan-05-06 09:29 PM   #70 
  - Funny, but isn't Faux News based on a Conspiracy  AuntiBush   Jan-05-06 08:50 PM   #60 
  - the RW just loves the moon landing hoax CT  rman   Jan-06-06 04:23 AM   #79 
  - Besides, the Proper Term is "Coincidence Theory"  radio4progressives   Jan-05-06 09:40 PM   #71 

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