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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 06:26 PM
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30. uh huh
Cruise ships never collide with delicate ecosystems, like coral reefs. never. oh wait, it happened last year! but I'm sure that in 20,000 years or so that reef will be back to normal!

And the 18 million dollar fine that Holland America paid for dumping raw sewage in 2004? you know, the one where they built a ship with a pipe bypassing the water treatment facility completely? your toilet flushed to the ocean! fabulous!

and the million dollar fine that Norwegian paid in 2002 after dumping photoprocessing chemicals overboard? wonderful! let's see, 50 cruises a year, 200 gallons a cruise...that's 10,000 gallons of toxic chemicals a year! good for the dolphins, no doubt?

When a vessel is in international waters, do you know who's envrionmental laws they follow? the country in which the ship is flagged. That's usually Panama or Liberia, both known for strong government regulation on envrionmental issues.

And next time you go on a cruise, ask to see the crew's quarters. Ever wonder where they put the 1000 staff on a large cruise ship? think tenements. I've seen them, it's not pleasant at all. Talk to the Filipino who signed a 6 month or year deal, and gets paid at the end in one lump sum, you don't finish the contract, you don't get paid, anything.

I suggest you go pick up a copy of Cruise Ship Blues and visit the Cruise Ship Pollution campaign at Oceana.
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  -How come DU doesn't have a cruise? hang a left  Mar-05-06 04:35 PM   #0 
  - Why don't we just  bowens43   Mar-05-06 04:36 PM   #1 
  - They would hang me which I would not care for  tatertop   Mar-05-06 04:37 PM   #6 
  - The SS Ship of Fools  SoCalDem   Mar-05-06 04:40 PM   #10 
  - Get us all in one place, and the Bushbots can blow up the ship  cantstandbush   Mar-06-06 10:10 AM   #40 
  - I'm in  tatertop   Mar-05-06 04:36 PM   #2 
  - Do cruise ships have web access?  Wilms   Mar-05-06 04:36 PM   #3 
  - Most of them do now  kaygore   Mar-05-06 04:37 PM   #4 
  - Then we're set! n/t  Wilms   Mar-05-06 04:37 PM   #7 
  - And most have WiFi in parts of the Ship  wakeme2008   Mar-05-06 04:46 PM   #13 
  - We Could Do A Circle-Line Tour At The Next New York DU Meetup  Tace   Mar-05-06 04:37 PM   #5 
  - do they still have "the spirit of new york"? i went on that 2x when  catmother   Mar-05-06 05:27 PM   #17 
  - Why don't you organize something?  Cleita   Mar-05-06 04:39 PM   #8 
  - Hell, we go to protests!!  MADem   Mar-05-06 04:40 PM   #9 
  - Can't we do it all.  hang a left   Mar-05-06 05:00 PM   #15 
     - I've done my share of cruising, but without a lot of amenities  MADem   Mar-05-06 05:08 PM   #16 
  - Because most of us work for a living and can't take the time off  ET Awful   Mar-05-06 04:42 PM   #11 
  - I thought the very same thing!  DiverDave   Mar-05-06 06:26 PM   #29 
  - Did somebody say Cruise...  wakeme2008   Mar-05-06 04:45 PM   #12 
  - okay, who is going to organize this PARTY?  niyad   Mar-05-06 04:46 PM   #14 
  - The Nation sponsors cruises!!!  DBoon   Mar-05-06 05:31 PM   #18 
  - That cruise is expensive, though.  Starlight   Mar-05-06 06:15 PM   #26 
  - because cruise ships are incredible polluters  northzax   Mar-05-06 05:41 PM   #19 
  - As a cruiser I would take exception to most of what you say.  wakeme2008   Mar-05-06 05:59 PM   #20 
  - uh huh  northzax   Mar-05-06 06:26 PM   #30 
     - A Ross and I email each other all the time  wakeme2008   Mar-05-06 06:35 PM   #33 
        - I doubt that 90% number, frankly  northzax   Mar-05-06 06:55 PM   #34 
           - LOL you have NO clue what you are talking about  wakeme2008   Mar-05-06 07:27 PM   #35 
              - yes, they follow international envrionmental laws  northzax   Mar-05-06 08:44 PM   #36 
                 - Solas and other  wakeme2008   Mar-05-06 09:00 PM   #38 
                    - SOLAS?  northzax   Mar-06-06 09:41 AM   #39 
  - Oh for crying out loud....  hang a left   Mar-05-06 06:03 PM   #21 
  - I am going on a cruise March 2007  greenbriar   Mar-05-06 06:03 PM   #22 
  - Cuz we'd probably end up in a brawl on 1 side of the ship & tip it over!  mtnsnake   Mar-05-06 06:04 PM   #23 
  - Fear of mutiny?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-05-06 06:10 PM   #24 
  - It would never get out of port- too many arguments on which way to go!  meisje   Mar-05-06 06:12 PM   #25 
  - LOL  hang a left   Mar-05-06 06:26 PM   #28 
  - Money and no time off or time off(laid off, out sourced) and no money?  Blue State Native   Mar-05-06 06:16 PM   #27 
  - We're already up a creek...  BringEmOn   Mar-05-06 06:29 PM   #31 
  - Does it have to be a cruise? How about just having a convention in  Poiuyt   Mar-05-06 06:31 PM   #32 
  - we could ride a raft down the mississippi  Bill McBlueState   Mar-05-06 08:47 PM   #37 
  - I still think we ought to have a convention in Salt Lake City.  helderheid   Mar-06-06 10:21 AM   #41 
  - I have often thought that a gathering, or series of gatherings would be  stop the bleeding   Mar-06-06 10:27 AM   #42 
  - :) There are a lot of misconceptions about SLC - we have a  helderheid   Mar-06-06 10:39 AM   #45 
     - I think you were replying to me....I am guessing anyway.  hang a left   Mar-06-06 10:42 AM   #46 
        - oh that was part of it. :) I live in a suburb of SLC :)  helderheid   Mar-06-06 10:58 AM   #47 
  - How about San Diego  hang a left   Mar-06-06 10:35 AM   #44 
  - it would be cool, but- CHICAGO  mopinko   Mar-06-06 10:30 AM   #43 

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