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***Absolutely horrible new law that punishes social workers; H.R. 4437***
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I normally dont get too involved in immigration, or illeg***Absolutely Horrible Law that punishes Social Workers; immigration issues. However my wife, who is a social worker, brought this to my attention.

A new law was recently passed on Dec. 17th of 2005; H.R. 4437 The Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005. It was sponsored by James Sensenbrenner, and passed with 92 percent of Republicans for, and 82 percent of Democrats against.

In a nutshell, the law states that any church or non-profit organization is guilty of committing a federal offense, if they give any assistance whatsoever to illegal immigrants. It makes no difference if the organization in question, has any knowledge the status of the person they are helping or not. The penalties include fines, jail time, and property seizure.

The big problems with the law, are, that it does nothing to strengthen the borders, and curb the flow of illegal immigration. It punishes non-profit social assistance organizations, and churches that may be feeding, or providing shelter to illegal aliens, even though they may not know that they are illegal. The kick in the head from this whole thing? There is nothing in the law that punishes the for-profit places that continue to exploit illegal labor, such as Farms, Hotels, or Restaurants.

Say someone like my wife is working at her job in the domestic violence shelter. A woman shows up there, beaten, and bloody, with a kid in tow with her abusive boyfriend driving around looking for her. She places this woman in a VDV center. It turns out later that this woman produced a fake ID. They can throw my wife in jail, and the shelter can get fined, and eventually get shut down because their funding gets yanked.

And there are many other possible scenarios that can be made out here. Someone shows up to a free clinic with a case of pneumonia. Oh, you cant produce an ID, and you have brown skin. Could you kind of out in the street and slowly suffocate please?

Someone comes to a shelter thats starving, and its 10 degrees below zero outside and they need assistance. Sorry, you cant produce your papers, do us a favor and crawl into the alley and die will you?

The ones that get fined and punished because of this new law, are people who have dedicated their lives to helping out others in need that are less fortunate than us. Most unfortunate people that happen to need help, are not what we would consider the cream of our society. And yes, illegal immigrants happen to be part of that. Yes, I know. Its a horrible thing, helping out someone that everyone else despises isnt it? Hell that may be something that Christ would have actually done.

Excellent article from The independent media center of Philadelphia.

This law also turns any relative, employer, co-worker, or friend of who helps an undocumented migrant an "alien smuggler" and a felon, punishable by imprisonment. The criminalized forms of assisting an undocumented immigrant could be as innoccous as driving a neighbor to the grocery store or providing shelter to a survivor of domestic violence. It is in direct violation of the Civil Rights Act, which states that public services cannot be denied on the basis of national origin; suddenly, hospital emergency rooms would have to ask for immigration documents before admitting a pregnant woman. An undocumented woman could call the police on her abusive husband and find herself locked up instead, for the "crime" of living in the United States without a visa. This law would empower police to demand "papers" of anyone, at any time, forcing even United States citizens to carry proof of their US Citizenship with them at all times. It would open the door for selective enforcement to be used for purposes of ethnic and political intimidation. It would criminalize student visa holders who drop a class or work visa holders who change jobs. It would put three million US Citizen children of undocumented immigrants in danger of losing their parents at any minute. The bill would also make it much easier for US government officials to deny citizenship to lawful permanent residents (green card holders) who apply for naturalization, at their own discretion and on the basis of secret evidence that is not subject to review.

This law, is a disaster. It helps no one, and only adds to the mountains of bureaucracy that NFP social assistance organizations already have to endure. Like it or not, the reality is, that there are people here illegally. There are those here that do not like that, and to them I say, too fucking bad, thats reality, deal with it.

The scariest ramifications of this law, is that it also gives the feds license to check our papers anytime they want.

I dont know about any of you out there, but the thoughts of a Gestapo asking for your papers please and doing it in the name of the homeland sends a cold chill down my spine.

So go ahead, flame me for giving a shit...
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  -***Absolutely horrible new law that punishes social workers; H.R. 4437*** tjwash  Mar-03-06 02:13 PM   #0 
  - No flames here. I agree with you. That is a terrible law.  Midlodemocrat   Mar-03-06 02:14 PM   #1 
  - flamed? here? Did you just get back from a visit to FR?  villager   Mar-03-06 02:15 PM   #2 
  - There have been lengthy arguments on this board over this issue  BurtWorm   Mar-03-06 02:25 PM   #13 
  - It is a terrible law for a dozen reasons. Including that I always believed  sinkingfeeling   Mar-03-06 02:17 PM   #3 
  - As long as the churches DON'T accept taxpayer dollars  brensgrrl   Mar-03-06 08:06 PM   #46 
     - Welcome to DU.  BlueIris   Mar-03-06 09:09 PM   #53 
  - you may be flamed...  ret5hd   Mar-03-06 02:17 PM   # 
  - Not necessarily bigots. . .  brensgrrl   Mar-03-06 09:01 PM   #52 
  - Why flame you  wakeme2008   Mar-03-06 02:17 PM   #4 
  - Let just say that when you put the words "illegal" and "alien" together...  tjwash   Mar-03-06 02:24 PM   #12 
  - hmmm... let's delete this "back up copy" the board made...  villager   Mar-03-06 02:18 PM   #5 
  - It only passed the House...  Sammy Pepys   Mar-03-06 02:19 PM   #6 
  - No Flames here... As with every law these * cabal traitors write...  MadMaddie   Mar-03-06 02:20 PM   #7 
  - If we refuse to consider the taxpayer's burden in all of this  brensgrrl   Mar-03-06 08:29 PM   #48 
  - Did you see this thread?  bananas   Mar-03-06 02:21 PM   #8 
  - Who would flame you for this?  Der Blaue Engel   Mar-03-06 02:21 PM   #9 
  - This law is absolutely insane.  Chovexani   Mar-03-06 02:23 PM   #10 
  - Who shows ID when they go into a women's shelter?  electron_blue   Mar-03-06 02:24 PM   #11 
  - That's part of the problem, that my wifes org is going through.  tjwash   Mar-03-06 02:28 PM   #15 
  - That's a HORRID law! Good grief!  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-03-06 02:27 PM   #14 
  - And the law says NOTHING about the ones who exploit...  tjwash   Mar-03-06 02:30 PM   #18 
  - It doesn't surprise me ONE BIT that 92% of the repukes voted for this  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-03-06 02:54 PM   # 
  - Sensenbrenner is an evil, evil man  B3Nut   Mar-04-06 10:34 AM   #62 
  - Can't torch ya for that!  0007   Mar-03-06 02:29 PM   #16 
  - "property seizure"  shanti   Mar-03-06 02:30 PM   #17 
  - Oh, I get it...  Mythsaje   Mar-03-06 02:32 PM   #19 
  - Once again, BushCo is trying to force others to carry their burden  MADem   Mar-03-06 02:34 PM   #20 
  - I don't carry proof of citizenship...don't yet have a passport.  Bridget Burke   Mar-03-06 02:36 PM   #21 
  - Is he INSANE? Oh, wait, it's Senselessbrenner  warrens   Mar-03-06 02:39 PM   #22 
  - Wanted to throw this in...  Mythsaje   Mar-03-06 02:41 PM   #23 
  - Many progressive economic authorities  brensgrrl   Mar-03-06 08:53 PM   #50 
  - ***The money trail***  tjwash   Mar-03-06 02:53 PM   #24 
  - If churches feed them, they won't work that third minimum wage job  Warpy   Mar-03-06 02:54 PM   #25 
  - Yep, and there is nothing in it about the farms restaurants and...  tjwash   Mar-03-06 03:44 PM   #28 
  - I hate unenforcable laws...  sendero   Mar-03-06 02:59 PM   #26 
  - The problem is that is enforcable...  tjwash   Mar-03-06 03:11 PM   #27 
     - I agree..  sendero   Mar-03-06 04:00 PM   #29 
     - No one would flame that  Kare   Mar-03-06 04:15 PM   #32 
        - It's this freakin' gestapo "your papers please"  tjwash   Mar-03-06 04:25 PM   #33 
  - I thought they liked churches...  sutz12   Mar-03-06 04:03 PM   #30 
  - They don't like the churches that actually...  tjwash   Mar-03-06 04:30 PM   #34 
  - **Dems that voted yea**  tjwash   Mar-03-06 04:09 PM   #31 
  - I noticed that my Rep,  brensgrrl   Mar-03-06 08:13 PM   #47 
     - Wow. You have no freakin' clue what this law is even about do you?  tjwash   Mar-03-06 10:24 PM   #54 
        - I don't and cannot afford  brensgrrl   Mar-03-06 11:30 PM   #58 
  - HUMANITARIAN AID IS NEVER A CRIME!  alstephenson   Mar-03-06 05:03 PM   #35 
  - Welcome to DU!  tjwash   Mar-03-06 05:18 PM   #36 
  - Thanks for the welcome, glad to be here! eom  alstephenson   Mar-03-06 05:34 PM   #38 
  - Humanitarian Aid should be allowed in all cases. . .  brensgrrl   Mar-03-06 08:40 PM   #49 
  - no flames!! It also criminalizes border-crossers  phusion   Mar-03-06 05:20 PM   #37 
  - It's an absolute shame of a law and ought to be an embarrassment for  pinto   Mar-03-06 05:37 PM   #39 
  - I swear it's like the next step is...  tjwash   Mar-03-06 06:12 PM   #40 
  - Why single out social workers? In fact, why stop at non-profits?  rocknation   Mar-03-06 06:19 PM   #41 
  - From here, it looks like you really need to do a Mahatma  Random_Australian   Mar-03-06 06:41 PM   #42 
  - Just making our society even more "criminalized"...  neoblues   Mar-03-06 07:11 PM   #43 
  - Sorry, but I strongly disagree with you. . .  brensgrrl   Mar-03-06 07:38 PM   #44 
  - These people don't care who they hurt  FreedomAngel82   Mar-03-06 07:42 PM   #45 
  - Thas'Rytt, if you're driving a HUMAN to the ER, you're transporting  UTUSN   Mar-03-06 08:54 PM   #51 
  - I will not obey this so called law.  roody   Mar-03-06 10:45 PM   #55 
  - Oops! I already broke this stinkin law-to-be.  roody   Mar-03-06 10:55 PM   #56 
     - How do they do that  brensgrrl   Mar-03-06 11:48 PM   #59 
        - Where I live in Calif.  roody   Mar-04-06 10:12 AM   #61 
  - Can't imagine being flamed for this.  mzmolly   Mar-03-06 10:56 PM   #57 
  - Totally agreed - hidious  sproutster   Mar-04-06 12:03 AM   #60 
  - Thank you for this thread  entanglement   Mar-04-06 10:35 AM   #63 

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