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| 123. Once again, it's NOT the machines, it's the GERRYMANDERING |
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that is the root-cause that Dems lose in elections where the polls say we are even or better. The Repubs go in with a 4-6% advantage in almost every district across the country due to their criminal redistricting and dilution of the minority vote since the 1990's. Here are some sources: Carving up the Vote < http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/gerr... > Off Center: The Republican Revolution and the Erosion of American Democracy. In the book, Hacker and Pierson examine the tactics of far-right Republicans -- and how they've changed the system for years to come. (I should note that this book is very scholarly, which is a nice way of saying that it is dry and filled with studies and statistics -- but their arguments are convincing, back by scientific analysis and very well laid out.) Here is a snip of an interview of the authors from NPR, that explains the statistical advantage the Repubs have. < http://prairieweather.typepad.com/the_scribe/2005/12/12... > (snip) I think you really have to focus on both sides of the story, in terms of elections. One side is the electoral battlefield, or the geographic map. And as we point out in the book, Republicans just have a big edge on the electoral battlefield, right out of the starting block. For example, in the Senate, over the last three Senate elections, Democrats have actually picked up 2.5M more votes in the last three elections in total than Republicans. But right now, they're holding 44 seats in the Senate to Republicans' 55. So there's a really dramatic bias on the Senate side in favor of generally Republican-leaning smaller states. On the House side, we've heard a lot about redistricting and gerrymandering, and that's certainly part of the story. In fact, in the most recent election of 2004, Bush won about 52% of the vote. He won in about 59% of Congressional districts. So that suggests Republicans do have an edge there.
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| -2006 will not be our salvation - they CONTROL the voting machines |
debbierlus |
Feb-26-06 11:59 AM |
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you are so right |
pola |
Feb-26-06 12:02 PM |
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Because Conyers and the others can't do it alone -- they need our help |
Trevelyan |
Feb-26-06 12:42 PM |
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I searched for "voting machines" on the DNC website. |
barbaraann |
Feb-26-06 12:04 PM |
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no, check out VoteTrustUSA |
nofoil |
Feb-26-06 04:48 PM |
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Thank you. |
barbaraann |
Feb-27-06 02:09 AM |
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We'll see. |
cali |
Feb-26-06 12:06 PM |
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keep your fingers crossed |
bpilgrim |
Feb-26-06 12:08 PM |
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It doesn't matter if the Dems blow it because the Thugs own |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-26-06 12:30 PM |
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I totally agree and can't think of what to do about it until more people |
Talismom |
Feb-26-06 04:45 PM |
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The Thugs are in a rush to put in machines because they know |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-26-06 05:19 PM |
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Yep.. |
femrap |
Feb-26-06 08:19 PM |
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we have a smart woman running |
xxqqqzme |
Feb-26-06 08:56 PM |
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Time for good news for and from OHIO! |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-27-06 12:56 PM |
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I agree fully. |
mzmolly |
Feb-26-06 01:57 PM |
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I believe that you are 100 percent correct. However, I can't |
ladjf |
Feb-26-06 12:08 PM |
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Election fraud doesn't have to be proven. Transparency does. |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-26-06 12:33 PM |
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Well put. nt |
SmokingJacket |
Feb-26-06 04:06 PM |
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I agree |
RagingInMiami |
Feb-26-06 12:10 PM |
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AND isn't fed govt threatening big $$ penalties if states don't have |
bobbieinok |
Feb-27-06 01:33 AM |
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you must not have been on DU |
shanti |
Feb-26-06 12:10 PM |
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it's bev harris, and |
mopinko |
Feb-26-06 12:15 PM |
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my bad |
shanti |
Feb-26-06 01:37 PM |
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Sign up to work the polls |
Virginian |
Feb-26-06 11:26 PM |
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K&R |
phusion |
Feb-26-06 12:12 PM |
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Voter Verified Paper Ballots. Voter Verified Paper Ballots |
goodboy |
Feb-26-06 12:13 PM |
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Seems like a simple request, doesn't it? |
phusion |
Feb-26-06 12:20 PM |
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that's why I ALWAYS vote with an absentee ballot. then you know for sure |
goodboy |
Feb-26-06 01:53 PM |
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I said the same thing to someone recently and he asked if I believed that |
Talismom |
Feb-26-06 04:48 PM |
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it'd be easy to tell who mishandled the ballots, rather than the votes |
goodboy |
Feb-26-06 07:16 PM |
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FALSE, it depends on how absentee ballots are counted |
magellan |
Feb-26-06 07:58 PM |
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and if they are counted by hand....? I spent hours and hours with Andy |
goodboy |
Feb-27-06 12:34 AM |
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Ours were not counted by hand. (nt) |
magellan |
Feb-27-06 01:23 AM |
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there were BIG problems with absentee ballots in 2004 |
bobbieinok |
Feb-27-06 01:37 AM |
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Yes. In Broward County, FL, 58 thousand absentee ballots went "missing". |
nicknameless |
Feb-27-06 02:51 AM |
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VOTER VERIFIED PAPER BALLOTS. Simple. |
troubleinwinter |
Feb-26-06 12:37 PM |
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not so simple |
xxqqqzme |
Feb-26-06 09:02 PM |
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Must have hand counting or open source software; VVPB doesn't mean anythin |
KnowerOfLogic |
Feb-26-06 01:34 PM |
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criticism of the Dems, they are not taking care of their business. |
IsItJustMe |
Feb-26-06 12:17 PM |
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Sure |
cali |
Feb-26-06 12:24 PM |
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The process did not end with the SC. |
IsItJustMe |
Feb-26-06 12:37 PM |
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Puleeze. |
mzmolly |
Feb-26-06 12:43 PM |
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Kerry did NOT lose by over a million votes |
debbierlus |
Feb-26-06 12:59 PM |
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Perhaps. |
mzmolly |
Feb-26-06 01:16 PM |
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"victim"? He still HAS his "day job", and most of the money he spent |
SoCalDem |
Feb-26-06 05:03 PM |
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Kerry wasn't playing nice, he believed he lost the election by over a |
mzmolly |
Feb-26-06 05:08 PM |
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over 3 million, actually, although |
OnTheOtherHand |
Feb-26-06 07:23 PM |
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Thanks for the correction. |
mzmolly |
Feb-27-06 11:40 AM |
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FWIW, perhaps 1.5 million is just 3 million divided by 2 |
OnTheOtherHand |
Feb-27-06 12:01 PM |
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Perhaps I just stopped paying attention at 1.5 million |
mzmolly |
Feb-27-06 12:20 PM |
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This may help...or not. |
Chi |
Feb-27-06 12:34 PM |
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winning, fraud, etc. |
OnTheOtherHand |
Feb-27-06 03:13 PM |
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Those who propagate the 'nothing to see' attitude. |
Chi |
Feb-27-06 04:25 PM |
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well... |
OnTheOtherHand |
Feb-27-06 04:45 PM |
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Now you're talking 8) |
Chi |
Feb-27-06 05:17 PM |
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oh, and oops, I misquoted myself |
OnTheOtherHand |
Feb-27-06 08:43 PM |
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Out of curiosity |
Chi |
Feb-28-06 12:12 AM |
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it isn't really a matter of "likely" and "unlikely" |
OnTheOtherHand |
Feb-28-06 04:14 AM |
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WE are the only losers. |
_dynamicdems |
Feb-26-06 08:47 PM |
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I agree! I went all the way to Cleveland to work on getting the vote |
Talismom |
Feb-26-06 04:57 PM |
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of course |
zonmoy |
Feb-27-06 06:49 AM |
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Not a single Dem. senator would sign on to contest the 2000 election |
baby_bear |
Feb-26-06 12:53 PM |
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LOL. |
mzmolly |
Feb-26-06 01:18 PM |
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That didn't excuse the apathy of 2000 |
baby_bear |
Feb-26-06 10:11 PM |
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2000 was decided by 500 votes and went all the way to the supreme court. |
mzmolly |
Feb-27-06 11:14 AM |
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i hear you. you are 100% correct. |
mopinko |
Feb-26-06 12:18 PM |
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Solar Bus has a free Interactive CD |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-26-06 12:21 PM |
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Could someone put up a torrent of that CD for download? |
Jemmons |
Feb-26-06 12:39 PM |
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Where to go for accurate information? |
AndyA |
Feb-26-06 12:23 PM |
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DUers fished in my Sec of State's website and were able |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-26-06 12:26 PM |
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Ok, I'm repeating myself, |
nofoil |
Feb-26-06 04:52 PM |
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Thank you! |
EstimatedProphet |
Feb-26-06 12:25 PM |
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in OH they BLATANTLY did NOT follow the law in precincts to be recounted |
bobbieinok |
Feb-27-06 01:44 AM |
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That's right |
EstimatedProphet |
Feb-28-06 10:30 AM |
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I agree 100% - that's my greatest fear and biggest worry. |
Vektor |
Feb-26-06 12:36 PM |
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Yes, this has been in the works a VERY long time - |
Starfury |
Feb-26-06 04:50 PM |
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I am hopeful because we are gradually getting states to require |
mzmolly |
Feb-26-06 12:38 PM |
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MzMolly - Tried your link to "Get Busy" but it "Could Not Be Displayed" |
Trevelyan |
Feb-26-06 12:44 PM |
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Thanks! I fixed the error. |
mzmolly |
Feb-26-06 01:06 PM |
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That top map's got "fraud" written all over it, mzmolly! |
Vektor |
Feb-26-06 12:46 PM |
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Hopefully we will see that paper makes a difference in their ability |
mzmolly |
Feb-26-06 01:07 PM |
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I hope so too! |
Vektor |
Feb-26-06 01:26 PM |
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That map is misleading and discouraging |
annabanana |
Feb-26-06 03:47 PM |
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Looks more accurate... |
Vektor |
Feb-26-06 04:00 PM |
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I've thought that odd too. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Feb-26-06 06:48 PM |
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That's good progress. |
rockymountaindem |
Feb-26-06 03:51 PM |
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Good golly mzmolly, what a great addition to this thread! Thank you! n/t |
Talismom |
Feb-26-06 05:13 PM |
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Your welcome. |
mzmolly |
Feb-26-06 05:38 PM |
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BINGO! K&R! |
titoresque |
Feb-26-06 12:44 PM |
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has anybody been keeping up... |
mikeybabe125 |
Feb-26-06 12:45 PM |
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Electronic voting is meaningless without their media. |
Gregorian |
Feb-26-06 01:04 PM |
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The 2002 Senate races were also fixed - Georgia, Minnesotta, maybe |
robbedvoter |
Feb-26-06 01:20 PM |
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We have another duty as well: monitoring and documentation. |
sofa king |
Feb-26-06 01:33 PM |
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Wow! I really like the spirit and attitude of your suggestions. Very |
Talismom |
Feb-26-06 05:18 PM |
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I guess there's no point of even voting then. |
Balbus |
Feb-26-06 02:09 PM |
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The corporate media had not done even one story |
blue cat |
Feb-26-06 03:49 PM |
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Yeah and George Bush REALLY |
titoresque |
Feb-26-06 03:49 PM |
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I know, and I am so ANGRY and FRUSTRATED right now! |
Rocknrule |
Feb-26-06 03:53 PM |
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it's gonna take a REVOLUTION to make any real change..... |
jus_the_facts |
Feb-26-06 04:01 PM |
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All I can do is agree. Sadly. n/t |
poverlay |
Feb-26-06 04:06 PM |
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Not only do they have control of the voting machines.... |
tex-wyo-dem |
Feb-26-06 04:31 PM |
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++++ Reject suspect results & go after officials PERSONALLY +++++ |
pat_k |
Feb-26-06 04:36 PM |
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No Surrender! No retreat! |
Mythsaje |
Feb-26-06 04:46 PM |
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Look at it this way, if they turn over power to the Dems :SUBPOENAs |
mod mom |
Feb-26-06 05:03 PM |
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People are starting to "get it"... |
fooj |
Feb-26-06 07:33 PM |
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If both elections were rigged, then why aren't people in jail by now? |
mtnsnake |
Feb-26-06 07:46 PM |
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Feb-26-06 08:33 PM |
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How did a pathetic campaign get more votes than the great candidate |
Mass |
Feb-26-06 08:54 PM |
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Sorry if my opinion that the campaign was pathetically run bothers |
mtnsnake |
Feb-26-06 09:06 PM |
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Then why didn't you just say that? |
Vektor |
Feb-26-06 09:20 PM |
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Feb-26-06 09:38 PM |
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"As always"??? |
Vektor |
Feb-26-06 09:43 PM |
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That would be correct |
mtnsnake |
Feb-26-06 09:56 PM |
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Feb-26-06 10:01 PM |
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Evidence is EVERYWHERE - they ARE incriminated |
debbierlus |
Feb-26-06 08:56 PM |
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I've tried. |
Vektor |
Feb-26-06 08:59 PM |
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Feb-26-06 09:14 PM |
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Because it was the PERFECT CRIME!!!! |
Balbus |
Feb-26-06 09:02 PM |
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Your point is...? |
Leopolds Ghost |
Feb-26-06 09:13 PM |
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That election fraud is bullshit. |
Balbus |
Feb-26-06 09:17 PM |
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A pathetic campaign? How so? |
TayTay |
Feb-26-06 09:12 PM |
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Feb-26-06 09:22 PM |
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It was a winning campaign. Kerry won, get used to it;) |
autorank |
Feb-27-06 03:24 AM |
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Your post is very interesting in that it probably represents the majority |
abester |
Feb-27-06 03:43 AM |
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VA, CA and NJ 05. It may be an uphill battle, but we can win elections.nt |
skipos |
Feb-26-06 08:49 PM |
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And--They Control the MONEY! |
earthside |
Feb-26-06 08:55 PM |
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Also, computer gerrymandering keeps Congress in Repug |
JCMach1 |
Feb-26-06 09:35 PM |
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If this country is going to survive the nightmare |
mnhtnbb |
Feb-26-06 09:41 PM |
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DINOs *are* Republicans and will do nothing |
upi402 |
Feb-26-06 10:15 PM |
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Starting a new thread because it is THE most important issue we face. nt |
linazelle |
Feb-26-06 10:00 PM |
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I've been saying this since 2002! |
father_of_hope |
Feb-27-06 02:56 AM |
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But have you heard even ONE national Democrat take this on... |
autorank |
Feb-27-06 03:21 AM |
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Do Hilary Clinton and John Kerry count? |
mzmolly |
Feb-27-06 11:25 AM |
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Paper ballots are a small part of the problem... |
autorank |
Feb-27-06 08:29 PM |
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We have optiscan machines where I live and the paper ballots |
mzmolly |
Feb-27-06 08:55 PM |
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Until we get this message across and take real action |
donheld |
Feb-27-06 03:28 AM |
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Call it by number. |
trogdor |
Feb-27-06 10:18 AM |
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No. We need to get organized. Educate. And, then develop solutions. |
debbierlus |
Feb-27-06 10:21 AM |
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We are organized. |
mzmolly |
Feb-27-06 11:48 AM |
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Hopefully 2006 is the year we catch them red-handed. |
iconoclastNYC |
Feb-27-06 10:29 AM |
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Once again, it's NOT the machines, it's the GERRYMANDERING |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-27-06 11:15 AM |
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It's the rigging of the system; machines, districts, election laws, |
rman |
Feb-27-06 11:51 AM |
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Paper ballots and Hand counts NOW!!! Democracy NOW!!! |
In Truth We Trust |
Feb-27-06 11:24 AM |
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Almost as importantly, they control the stories |
wiggs |
Feb-27-06 11:58 AM |
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Well, I don't know about all THAT |
skibunny4dean |
Feb-27-06 12:52 PM |
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Gore won - If only for that, this does not stand. |
Mass |
Feb-27-06 03:00 PM |
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Kerry won, too. |
Vektor |
Feb-27-06 03:38 PM |
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Kerry was a very good candidate, Dean left a lot to be desired. |
wisteria |
Feb-27-06 08:39 PM |
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Too true. People are so blind to this fact. The Crooks and thieves |
go west young man |
Feb-28-06 11:26 AM |
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