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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 10:29 AM
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42. NSA has more than HALF the computer capacity in the entire world,
Edited on Sun Jan-01-06 10:44 AM by Vitruvius
measured in either MIPS or memory capacity; all of it optimized for searching massive volumes of data or searching enormous "keyspaces" (the latter for codebreaking). And they're world leaders in computer design & software; especially massively parallel machines. My best guess is that they're roughly a decade ahead of the state of the art that we 'civilians' see.

And their "computer farms" (their term) are even bigger today.

Years ago, I had an interesting experience; I was designing a new DSP (a special type of microprocessor optimized for signal processing and control applications) into one of my inventions and got one of the first development kits for that unit. When I got it, I was amazed at how mature the design was; most microprocessor families aren't that well perfected until they've been out 5 or 10 years; this was obviously an old-but-extremely-advanced microprocessor that had never been sold on the open market. When I nosed around the instruction set, I found a raft of undocumented instructions that were perfect for data searching and code-breaking applications. I needled a friend of mine at the manufacturer about how they'd obviously developed it for NSA and now were selling it to us civilians -- and tried to get him to tell me about -- and sell me -- the follow-on which they were obviously selling to NSA; I tried to make it easy for him by describing exactly what I thought the follow-on had. Three things happened: 1.) those extra instructions mysteriously disappeared from the production units; 2.) my friend called me up -- scared out of his wits -- and asked me to never say anything about this to anybody ever again; 3.)I got a visit from a rather wimpy spook who tried to scare the shit out of me.
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  -To my Friends who think there is too much data for the NSA to deal with... hootinholler  Dec-31-05 02:26 PM   #0 
  - Ignorance is, indeed, bliss. n/t  greyhound1966   Dec-31-05 02:31 PM   #1 
  - Thanks for sharing  spindrifter   Dec-31-05 02:36 PM   #2 
  - According to James Bamford  Dr.Phool   Dec-31-05 02:39 PM   #3 
  - NSA has more than HALF the computer capacity in the entire world,  Vitruvius   Jan-01-06 10:29 AM   #42 
  - I am not an expert-- I would like to offer the short version  FogerRox   Dec-31-05 02:42 PM   #4 
  - 3)Enormous black budget 10x that of the CIA (this is only what is admitted  Al-CIAda   Dec-31-05 02:45 PM   #5 
  - SAIC would be running the machines and doing integration...  hootinholler   Dec-31-05 04:14 PM   #18 
  - I agree.  gulliver   Dec-31-05 02:53 PM   #6 
  - Well if they are so damned smart  DoYouEverWonder   Dec-31-05 02:54 PM   #7 
  - It was trillion. 2.3 Trillion.  shadowlight   Dec-31-05 05:29 PM   #23 
     - 2.3 Trillion!  DoYouEverWonder   Dec-31-05 05:36 PM   #24 
        - Yes it was trillions, but they at the NSA aren't accountants ;) n/t  hootinholler   Dec-31-05 05:39 PM   #25 
           - US/UK trillions = International billions, I take it:  EuroObserver   Dec-31-05 06:26 PM   #26 
           - Didn't know that.  hootinholler   Dec-31-05 06:42 PM   #27 
           - US billion = UK milliard, US trillion = UK billion, BOMK  eppur_se_muova   Dec-31-05 08:08 PM   #29 
           - I think you mean 'milliard' = 1,000,000,000  TheBaldyMan   Jan-01-06 07:32 AM   #39 
           - As you pointed out earlier, that would be "financial data mining" ;)  0rganism   Dec-31-05 11:54 PM   #36 
              - Or maybe too close to the  hootinholler   Dec-31-05 11:58 PM   #37 
  - The Nazis catalogued every German using IBM punch cards on the '30s  Steve_DeShazer   Dec-31-05 02:59 PM   #8 
  - IBM doesn't deny it, but says it wasn't as bad as it's made out to be  rman   Dec-31-05 03:03 PM   #11 
  - Just think of what google does;  rman   Dec-31-05 03:00 PM   #9 
  - Google is solving a different but similar problem.  hootinholler   Dec-31-05 05:16 PM   #21 
  - I've tried explaining this as well...  w13rd0   Dec-31-05 03:02 PM   #10 
  - possible? gather it all, search on demand ? with a warrant bwahahahaha  dusmcj   Dec-31-05 03:15 PM   #12 
  - I think that is part of what they are doing...  hootinholler   Dec-31-05 04:04 PM   #17 
  - Thanks, beautifully done.  EST   Dec-31-05 03:26 PM   #13 
  - Thanks, this is a really simplistic view.  hootinholler   Dec-31-05 03:48 PM   #15 
  - I first visited the NSA in 1972  formercia   Dec-31-05 03:37 PM   #14 
  - Rec'd. Thanks for the great info. n/t  bleever   Dec-31-05 03:53 PM   #16 
  - Beware Fat Boy & Llewellyn. --nt  CrispyQGirl   Dec-31-05 05:04 PM   #19 
  - Sorry, I don't get the references.  hootinholler   Dec-31-05 05:17 PM   #22 
     - Sorry. I should have explained.  CrispyQGirl   Dec-31-05 08:21 PM   #30 
  - And if you networked the NSA, CIA, and Google computers all together...  Buns_of_Fire   Dec-31-05 05:06 PM   #20 
  - It's not simply WHAT hardware the NSA has, but WHO they hire.  Pithy Cherub   Dec-31-05 08:03 PM   #28 
  - And nobody is watching the watchers  hootinholler   Dec-31-05 09:43 PM   #31 
  - My sister has had many interviews with the NSA  Terran1212   Dec-31-05 09:45 PM   #32 
  - all the data is stored on all corp americas servers - and they got access  bpilgrim   Dec-31-05 09:47 PM   #33 
  - Well, I really don't think that's practcal or advisable  hootinholler   Dec-31-05 11:38 PM   #34 
     - 'message traffic' is what some of biggies do for a living  bpilgrim   Dec-31-05 11:47 PM   #35 
  - I have a link here to a report on intercept capabilities dated 2000  TheBaldyMan   Jan-01-06 04:02 AM   #38 
  - Thanks for the link! n/t  hootinholler   Jan-01-06 09:53 AM   #41 
  - NSA was established in 1952. NT  Silverhair   Jan-01-06 07:39 AM   #40 

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