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Fri Feb-24-06 04:29 PM
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| 36. Nah. All he's got is speculation based on flawed premises |
| -Hesiod post at kos is a MUST READ - he nails Hackett swiftboating to Rove |
blm |
Feb-24-06 02:11 PM |
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keeked. |
bunkerbuster1 |
Feb-24-06 02:17 PM |
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K & R |
wicket |
Feb-24-06 02:18 PM |
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I can buy it |
GrpCaptMandrake |
Feb-24-06 02:18 PM |
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Also, Hesiod's note that Rove is very much working on Ohio for 2006. |
blm |
Feb-24-06 02:22 PM |
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I didn't know that which brings another question |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-24-06 07:02 PM |
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Not everything is Rove's fault. Sometimes we eat our own. |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-06 02:21 PM |
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I think Hesiod explains it VERY CREDIBLY. |
blm |
Feb-24-06 02:24 PM |
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"This is EXACTLY their MO." just what I was thinking, and I haven't read |
glitch |
Feb-24-06 02:46 PM |
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Well said, exactly my reaction |
CTyankee |
Feb-24-06 04:10 PM |
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I still have a lot of question's about Hackett though |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-24-06 07:06 PM |
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He leaves out the devisive and underhanded tactics of Sherrod's |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 01:26 PM |
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Baloney - Schumer and Reid aren't DLC - they wanted Hackett in, then |
blm |
Feb-25-06 01:34 PM |
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I'm TRYING to factor in the WILL OF THE PEOPLE! |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 01:36 PM |
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You think Dean knows the whole story? I doubt it. Schumer and Reid don't |
blm |
Feb-25-06 01:50 PM |
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That's right, so let the corporations run their surrogates |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 01:54 PM |
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BULL - Sherrod Brown is NOT A CORPORATE CHOICE. His record PROVES IT. |
blm |
Feb-25-06 02:03 PM |
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I have NEVER made a post against Sherrod Brown. |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 02:08 PM |
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BS - you just said above he was a corporate run surrogate. |
blm |
Feb-25-06 02:11 PM |
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Here is what I said: |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 02:21 PM |
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Just keep it straight that not all are corporatists - that charge is made |
blm |
Feb-25-06 02:46 PM |
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do you think dean doesn't MAKE A POINT |
ldf |
Feb-26-06 05:47 PM |
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They aren't DLC |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-25-06 05:56 PM |
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No for me... |
wakeme2008 |
Feb-24-06 02:43 PM |
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Hesiod was a Hackett supporter |
blm |
Feb-24-06 03:50 PM |
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And Drudge is Fair and Balanced |
wakeme2008 |
Feb-24-06 04:07 PM |
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what's your point? eom |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-24-06 04:08 PM |
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What I said in my first post |
wakeme2008 |
Feb-24-06 04:20 PM |
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That's what you say. DKos is a message board. |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-24-06 04:30 PM |
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Hesiod is a troll. |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-24-06 04:10 PM |
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? |
blm |
Feb-24-06 04:12 PM |
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I was thinking about Hesiod and not his namesakes. |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-24-06 04:18 PM |
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Oops - I went a little dense there for a second. I was in a DU mindset |
blm |
Feb-25-06 11:50 AM |
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Sometimes I get 'way too geeky. |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-25-06 12:30 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-24-06 07:06 PM |
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Have you read Hesiod, FreedomAngel82? |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-24-06 09:03 PM |
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You're talking about the poster and calling them a troll because |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-25-06 06:09 PM |
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Actually, FA, the post was a joke about the real Hesiod - I missed it, too |
blm |
Feb-26-06 11:12 AM |
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If there's a dirty trick, and Rove has a motive, he's the first suspect |
glitch |
Feb-24-06 02:49 PM |
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Did you even read it and the other posts? |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-24-06 07:04 PM |
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Filing deadline was 2/16/06 |
SOS |
Feb-25-06 02:15 PM |
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Is this the Hesiod who used to have a blog? |
DavidD |
Feb-24-06 02:36 PM |
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Pretty sure it's the same guy. |
blm |
Feb-24-06 02:37 PM |
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I'm pretty sure this is the same guy. The name was Counterspin |
Arkansas Granny |
Feb-24-06 02:44 PM |
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Right! Counterspin. |
DavidD |
Feb-24-06 06:54 PM |
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I can certainly buy this theory. It sounds like Rove's MO. |
Arkansas Granny |
Feb-24-06 02:43 PM |
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I didn't even connect it till Hesiod reminded about how Clark camp was |
blm |
Feb-24-06 02:47 PM |
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And they both had class about the deal |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-24-06 07:08 PM |
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No, sounds more like the MO of Gibbs, Jones, and Feighan |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 01:34 PM |
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No, don't think so |
OzarkDem |
Feb-25-06 06:34 PM |
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no surprise, and Hackett is falling for it |
JI7 |
Feb-24-06 02:48 PM |
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I think Hackett is starting to catch on. |
Dr.Phool |
Feb-24-06 02:57 PM |
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a ''cold day in hell'' ?!! |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-24-06 04:07 PM |
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Too much damage has been done |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-24-06 07:09 PM |
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Yip, just this morning some "author" was on Faux & Friends |
UTUSN |
Feb-24-06 02:55 PM |
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I always thought this was the work of Rove or a Rove Minion |
emulatorloo |
Feb-24-06 03:35 PM |
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I hope Hesiod sees this so I can give him a thumbs up. |
blm |
Feb-24-06 03:38 PM |
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That's not the problem........ |
Joanne98 |
Feb-24-06 03:36 PM |
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The Dem party in Ohio was left to die on the vine in the 90s. |
blm |
Feb-24-06 03:41 PM |
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Mother Jones put a couple letters on |
Algorem |
Feb-24-06 03:52 PM |
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Simply amazing! |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-24-06 07:16 PM |
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So is Hackett in a rage now and retaliating? |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-24-06 04:04 PM |
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I think that getting emotional can be seen as a mistake of amateur pols |
blm |
Feb-24-06 04:09 PM |
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So (a) rage, and not (b) collusion |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-24-06 04:11 PM |
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Yes. Political inexperience plus instant fame can be an intoxicating |
blm |
Feb-24-06 04:15 PM |
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Sometimes the politically inexperienced are not as jaded... |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-06 04:30 PM |
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Well, now you are revisiting the campaign |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-24-06 04:38 PM |
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I don't deny part of it was.....but he has a right to be angry. |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-06 04:52 PM |
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Ohio has such a dearth of candidates. Remember Springer for Senate? |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-24-06 04:55 PM |
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But he NEVER FILED to run |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-24-06 07:19 PM |
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Rove's instinct probably told him this about Hackett |
CTyankee |
Feb-24-06 04:31 PM |
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Nah. All he's got is speculation based on flawed premises |
RazzleDazzle |
Feb-24-06 04:29 PM |
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Care to deconstruct it? We cannot read your mind from a 1-line post. |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-24-06 04:30 PM |
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Not to me - I saw how some in the Clark camp were mortified that they were |
blm |
Feb-24-06 04:33 PM |
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But this thread is not addressing the real issue that still faces us. |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-06 04:41 PM |
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Hate going off topic, but Hackett was not ready to run for Senate |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-24-06 04:46 PM |
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I have no opinion on him or Brown personally. |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-06 04:53 PM |
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Have you not read anything? |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-24-06 07:22 PM |
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I thought it was Wilson who did not file properly. |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-06 08:41 PM |
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It wasn't SUPPOSED TO - this thread is a heads up how Rove is working OHIO |
blm |
Feb-24-06 04:57 PM |
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Ok, then I will leave the thread. |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-06 05:19 PM |
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Not that big a deal - it seems to me that knowing what Rove is up to |
blm |
Feb-24-06 05:38 PM |
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Check your inbox. I won't post on this thread anymore. |
madfloridian |
Feb-24-06 05:30 PM |
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why take it so far? |
blm |
Feb-24-06 05:39 PM |
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Check out my post #73, mad! It will jog your memory. |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 01:06 PM |
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Check your inbox, PF |
madfloridian |
Feb-25-06 09:33 PM |
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Or the other issue |
OzarkDem |
Feb-24-06 08:21 PM |
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That is their JOB |
sandnsea |
Feb-25-06 02:23 PM |
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I remember the dirty tactics he used against Richardson in Texas - |
sparosnare |
Feb-24-06 05:22 PM |
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Hardly a genius - just willing to do things most people wouldn't, |
glitch |
Feb-24-06 06:47 PM |
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Somethings that still get me though |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-24-06 06:58 PM |
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That's been my thought all along, Hesiod explains it better than I could. |
bklyncowgirl |
Feb-24-06 08:31 PM |
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Well, since you implored me, I did read it. |
bleever |
Feb-24-06 09:09 PM |
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MUST be Rove, 'cause the democrats would NEVER use sordid |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 12:55 PM |
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And some union members were pissed that Dean got an endorsement that |
blm |
Feb-25-06 01:44 PM |
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I WORKED with those "coerced" union people here in |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 01:51 PM |
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That's YOUR crowd - I know plenty of union people who felt differently. |
blm |
Feb-25-06 01:58 PM |
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I'm not posting here to fight 04 all over again with you, blm. |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 02:03 PM |
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Horseshit - the corporate money you claim made the decision is NONSENSE. |
blm |
Feb-25-06 02:10 PM |
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Yawn. They didn't over-report Dean's support... |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 02:16 PM |
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You keep implying that Kerry was the corporate choice. |
blm |
Feb-25-06 02:35 PM |
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See the post I made about Kerry's left over money |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-25-06 06:19 PM |
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Kerry WAS endorsed by the fire fighters |
karynnj |
Feb-26-06 06:12 PM |
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Or run bimbo smears |
sandnsea |
Feb-25-06 02:34 PM |
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Smears: |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 03:02 PM |
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Neither was the Bimbo Smear |
sandnsea |
Feb-25-06 04:22 PM |
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Again! |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 04:39 PM |
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Riiight |
sandnsea |
Feb-25-06 04:44 PM |
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I care about what was done and IS being done to Hackett |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 04:51 PM |
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Exactly |
sandnsea |
Feb-25-06 05:29 PM |
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Am I running ads against ANYONE? |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 05:35 PM |
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They are smears and lies |
sandnsea |
Feb-25-06 06:06 PM |
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And Reid even told about that and said |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-25-06 06:25 PM |
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Here's the thing PF, sandnsea isn't worth your trouble. |
MrsGrumpy |
Feb-25-06 08:37 PM |
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wrong spot |
sandnsea |
Feb-25-06 06:01 PM |
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Did you care about what they did to Kerry and Clark's military records? |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-25-06 06:23 PM |
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FWIW, PassingFair wore her feet to blisters working on Kerry's campaign. |
MrsGrumpy |
Feb-25-06 08:38 PM |
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And your proof he isn't "having your back" where now? |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-26-06 02:44 PM |
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Hackett left the race |
OzarkDem |
Feb-25-06 06:27 PM |
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That wasn't very nice |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-25-06 05:25 PM |
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But true n/t |
sandnsea |
Feb-25-06 05:30 PM |
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Not true. |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 05:37 PM |
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Post #73 |
sandnsea |
Feb-25-06 06:03 PM |
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This is surely off topic. You have made your point. Now can we get back |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-25-06 05:55 PM |
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Off topic? |
sandnsea |
Feb-25-06 06:02 PM |
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You shouldn't expect the posters of rabid attacks to be nice. |
MrsGrumpy |
Feb-25-06 08:39 PM |
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So what are you talking about???? |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-25-06 06:23 PM |
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And yes about that |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-25-06 06:22 PM |
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Shame on you for posting the truth again, PF...and irritating the |
MrsGrumpy |
Feb-25-06 08:40 PM |
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Passing Fair, here's the video from C-Span to match your #73 |
madfloridian |
Feb-25-06 09:13 PM |
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I was hoping Hesiod's post would provide needed perspective to further |
blm |
Feb-25-06 05:00 PM |
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Give it time, blm |
OzarkDem |
Feb-25-06 06:30 PM |
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This is about blaming the victim... |
madfloridian |
Feb-25-06 07:12 PM |
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Thank you, mad! |
PassingFair |
Feb-25-06 08:23 PM |
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The SPECIFIC RUMOR used could be traced to Rove - just like affair rumor. |
blm |
Feb-26-06 11:15 AM |
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What about these specific RUMORS. Who spread THESE? |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 11:55 AM |
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Doesn't apply here |
OzarkDem |
Feb-26-06 12:12 PM |
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Why doesn't it apply here? |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 12:32 PM |
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Who spread the rumor that Kerry voted for Bush's taxcut? That Kerry was an |
blm |
Feb-26-06 01:03 PM |
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I am talking about a FIVE TWENTY SEVEN |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 01:15 PM |
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Tough - You want to whine about a 527 when Dean, himself, started rumors |
blm |
Feb-26-06 01:51 PM |
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Get over it, blm! |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 02:09 PM |
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Get a mirror. |
blm |
Feb-26-06 02:14 PM |
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Get a life. |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 02:17 PM |
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I obviously had a full one that took advantage of comprehension skills |
blm |
Feb-26-06 02:21 PM |
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Oh look! There's ROVE! |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 02:28 PM |
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So you're not even going to address the other person's words? |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-26-06 02:50 PM |
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How do you want me to "answer" this? |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 04:13 PM |
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Hackett didn't become a victim when HE dropped out |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-26-06 02:44 PM |
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And we have all seen how the media reads from the approved, gop script |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-25-06 07:18 PM |
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Riiiight |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-26-06 02:53 PM |
#154 |
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Why is it that the same people come into these threads.... |
WildEyedLiberal |
Feb-26-06 01:52 PM |
#140 |
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Right....I'm a PAID ROVE OPERATIVE! |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 02:25 PM |
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Me, too. I am a Rove Operative. |
madfloridian |
Feb-26-06 02:34 PM |
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I never said you were paid |
WildEyedLiberal |
Feb-26-06 02:36 PM |
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Well, she better not get paid unless we all get paid. |
madfloridian |
Feb-26-06 02:39 PM |
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It could be lucrative. |
WildEyedLiberal |
Feb-26-06 02:48 PM |
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But see, I have not criticized Sherrod Brown. |
madfloridian |
Feb-26-06 02:54 PM |
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This goes back to the actual OP, before the threadjack |
WildEyedLiberal |
Feb-26-06 03:02 PM |
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OK, I GOT it... |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 04:23 PM |
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Mike DeWine thanks you |
WildEyedLiberal |
Feb-26-06 04:24 PM |
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And the imperialist war machine thanks you for yours. |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 04:39 PM |
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ROFLAMO! |
WildEyedLiberal |
Feb-26-06 04:44 PM |
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Sherrod Brown could be Jesus H. Christ... |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 04:53 PM |
#163 |
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Such mental gymnastics |
WildEyedLiberal |
Feb-26-06 04:59 PM |
#164 |
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By the way, it certainly is against DU rules to make the kind of |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 05:06 PM |
#165 |
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"goose step" ? "imperialist war machine " ? |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-26-06 05:45 PM |
#166 |
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I'm pretty sure implying I'm a goose stepping freeper is worse |
WildEyedLiberal |
Feb-26-06 07:30 PM |
#173 |
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Politicians can and do change their minds about running |
karynnj |
Feb-26-06 05:50 PM |
#168 |
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Being called a Rove operative is worse. |
madfloridian |
Feb-26-06 05:53 PM |
#169 |
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My reading of her points to PF was that |
karynnj |
Feb-26-06 06:34 PM |
#171 |
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But saying I'm a goose stepping war loving imperialist doesn't |
WildEyedLiberal |
Feb-26-06 07:28 PM |
#172 |
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Yeah, I dislike ALL democrats..... |
PassingFair |
Feb-26-06 04:10 PM |
#157 |
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columnist - "Hackett's exit wasn't all others' fault " |
Algorem |
Feb-26-06 06:57 AM |
#131 |
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well, outside the fun lil' flame war, this is entertaining speculation |
NuttyFluffers |
Feb-26-06 09:10 PM |
#174 |
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Things were "smoothed over" when Hackett quit; he uncorked a week later |
TheBorealAvenger |
Feb-27-06 07:56 AM |
#175 |
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apparently it wasn't smoothed over, was it? |
NuttyFluffers |
Feb-28-06 04:23 AM |
#176 |
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