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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #36
50. here's another one
Prejudice against non-believers is also one of the few allowable prejudices left. Christians dominate all three branches of the federal government, all fifty state governments, and the vast majority of local governments. How many places in the country could an out-of-the-closet atheist even get a third of the vote?
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  -All those who think unions have outlived their usefulness, need B Calm  Jan-04-06 02:34 PM   #0 
  - they can't be  northzax   Jan-04-06 02:39 PM   #1 
  - Can they sue in federal court?  Lindacooks   Jan-04-06 02:42 PM   #2 
  - it would be tough  northzax   Jan-04-06 02:52 PM   #5 
     - Weren't there some federal violations though?  Realityhack   Jan-04-06 04:57 PM   #47 
  - I would think that the miners' families would have a good  China_cat   Jan-04-06 03:06 PM   #14 
  - nope, prior health and safety violations aren't legally relevant  northzax   Jan-04-06 03:11 PM   #19 
     - how about federal law?  Realityhack   Jan-04-06 04:58 PM   #48 
  - someone reported a week before this that there was fumes in the  roguevalley   Jan-04-06 03:15 PM   #23 
  - I hope the families take revenge, then.  Ilsa   Jan-04-06 04:15 PM   #33 
  - They had over 100 health and safety citations in 2005 ALONE  in_cog_ni_to   Jan-05-06 10:23 AM   #68 
  - The company will fold  DPirate   Jan-06-06 02:41 AM   #88 
  - I believe that with all the Corporate sins these days,  KarenS   Jan-04-06 02:43 PM   #3 
  - I agree  Ksec   Jan-04-06 02:52 PM   #6 
  - Unions should push for personhood rights like the corps. have.  CrispyQGirl   Jan-04-06 03:07 PM   #15 
  - I think there is a negative side to unions  undeterred   Jan-04-06 02:51 PM   #4 
  - on the other hand, if the company is not doing well, lay off thousands  LSK   Jan-04-06 02:58 PM   #9 
  - Yeah, But That Happens In Unionized Companies Too  ProfessorGAC   Jan-05-06 10:19 AM   #67 
  - I have been in union jobs - and non-union - and agree the defense of the  papau   Jan-04-06 02:58 PM   #10 
  - That argument is only good if one believes  Ksec   Jan-04-06 03:05 PM   #13 
  - I agree - the non-union world is grossly unfair to good workers - and ave  papau   Jan-04-06 03:16 PM   #24 
  - Exactly  PATRICK   Jan-05-06 10:09 AM   #66 
  - What you describe can happen in non-union shops also  AllieB   Jan-04-06 03:02 PM   #12 
  - Unions are NOT now,  LincolnMcGrath   Jan-04-06 03:09 PM   #17 
  - Hi! I'd like to reply to your statements. :)  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Jan-04-06 03:12 PM   #20 
  - Well Said  LincolnMcGrath   Jan-04-06 03:17 PM   #26 
  - yes, you'd think people would like unions  Bill McBlueState   Jan-04-06 05:02 PM   #49 
  - And how many "good" employees did it protect?  EC   Jan-04-06 03:13 PM   #21 
  - Wow- I'm not against unions  undeterred   Jan-04-06 04:07 PM   #30 
  - When I worked with a union, it was difficult to fire an employee, but  CrispyQGirl   Jan-04-06 04:33 PM   #39 
     - I've been fired a couple of times from an employee position  undeterred   Jan-04-06 04:43 PM   #41 
        - My union experience was prior to "at will" employment clauses.  CrispyQGirl   Jan-04-06 04:52 PM   #43 
           - I totally agree with you on that  undeterred   Jan-04-06 04:57 PM   #46 
  - Unions are like our legal system. They exist for our protection (ideally)  MercutioATC   Jan-04-06 05:40 PM   #52 
  - not a reason to hate unions  Djinn   Jan-06-06 02:30 AM   #85 
  - there are many more negative sides to not having unions,  rman   Jan-06-06 09:05 AM   #96 
  - I've seen more dysfunctional lazy worthless employees on the side  B Calm   Jan-08-06 04:32 AM   #101 
  - Nothing is perfect, but I think  truth2power   Jan-08-06 10:01 AM   #106 
  - progressives are always on the side of unions  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-04-06 02:54 PM   #7 
  - Amen!!  mycritters2   Jan-04-06 02:56 PM   #8 
  - Amen!  papau   Jan-04-06 02:59 PM   #11 
  - I find this both a judgmental and foolish thing to say.  lostinacause   Jan-04-06 03:46 PM   #29 
  - I don't think the benefit is much in doubt  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-04-06 04:19 PM   #34 
     - Why do you believe collective bargaining is a right?  lostinacause   Jan-05-06 01:45 AM   #54 
     - because the alternative is powerlessness  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-05-06 05:48 AM   #64 
        - So then wouldn't equality be the human right? Unions being perceived  lostinacause   Jan-05-06 09:25 AM   #65 
           - it certainly has played a large role in achieving equality  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-05-06 10:33 AM   #71 
              - You haven't answered my question  lostinacause   Jan-06-06 01:43 AM   #82 
                 - legislation has its limits  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-06-06 01:55 AM   #83 
                    - Law requier both the proper incentives and enforcements. It is not  lostinacause   Jan-06-06 02:44 AM   #89 
                       - Canada has 32.8% unionized work force//US 13.8%  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-08-06 08:44 AM   #105 
     - From public policy perspective all of these things could be achieved by  lostinacause   Jan-05-06 02:22 AM   #55 
        - only looking at what actually exist in the real world  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-05-06 03:42 AM   #58 
        - cost involves perspective.  druidity33   Jan-05-06 10:45 AM   #72 
        - thanks for your points  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-05-06 01:38 PM   #73 
        - Dental funds and emergency loan funds are true gains.  lostinacause   Jan-06-06 02:35 AM   #86 
           - more...  druidity33   Jan-06-06 04:58 PM   #100 
        - With close to 300 OSHA violations at this non union mine in the  B Calm   Jan-05-06 02:41 PM   #76 
        - What exactly are OSHA violations?  lostinacause   Jan-06-06 03:19 AM   #91 
           - Occupational Safety & Health Administration find usafe  B Calm   Jan-06-06 04:41 AM   #94 
        - I don't buy your arguments about the "costs" of unions  fishwax   Jan-06-06 02:27 AM   #84 
           - Think of unions as an institution that creates certain incentives.  lostinacause   Jan-06-06 03:18 AM   #90 
              - no, that still doesn't work  fishwax   Jan-06-06 12:18 PM   #98 
  - because progressives are usually the blue collar worker or middle class  flyarm   Jan-08-06 04:57 AM   #103 
  - Support for unions will help  mycritters2   Jan-04-06 03:08 PM   #16 
  - Hateful things about the faith of miners?  LincolnMcGrath   Jan-04-06 03:11 PM   #18 
  - I think you are referring to people who make broad anti-religious comments  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-04-06 03:16 PM   #25 
     - Thanks for making my point  mycritters2   Jan-04-06 04:22 PM   #35 
     - as Bill Clinton would say  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-04-06 04:23 PM   #37 
     - I think that part of that anti-religion stuff is keyboard bravado.  davsand   Jan-04-06 05:39 PM   #51 
     - keyboard bravado - like that phrase  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-05-06 01:50 PM   #74 
     - I'm a progressive, liberal Christian and I've  liberalhistorian   Jan-05-06 02:36 AM   #57 
     - It's one of the few allowable prejudices left  LittleClarkie   Jan-04-06 04:23 PM   #36 
        - well the girth one gets to me too...even when it's about Republicans  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-04-06 04:34 PM   #40 
        - You missed one  LittleClarkie   Jan-04-06 04:50 PM   #42 
           - thanks -- I will save it on my list  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-04-06 04:52 PM   #44 
        - here's another one  Bill McBlueState   Jan-04-06 05:08 PM   #50 
           - Amen brother!  Appalachian_American   Jan-05-06 02:30 AM   #56 
  - Labor must organize globally  leftstreet   Jan-04-06 03:13 PM   #22 
  - certainly, organizing right need to be taken up in trade agreements  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-04-06 04:12 PM   #31 
     - That is unlikely as of now. Trade agreements don't have policies  lostinacause   Jan-06-06 03:23 AM   #92 
     - Opposite is happening because unions are considered to be "trade barriers"  rman   Jan-06-06 07:28 AM   #95 
  - This is one of the few reasons why I still support unions.  Dongfang Hong   Jan-04-06 03:17 PM   #27 
  - A. NYC was not shut down  LincolnMcGrath   Jan-04-06 03:23 PM   #28 
     - and even if it had been, it would be the fault of management  fishwax   Jan-06-06 02:37 AM   #87 
  - tort reform and deregulation, don't you know  leftofthedial   Jan-04-06 04:13 PM   #32 
  - K & R!  dumpbush   Jan-04-06 04:25 PM   #38 
  - And the administration and congress get sued to for lack of  Skidmore   Jan-04-06 04:54 PM   #45 
  - amen  B Calm   Jan-04-06 06:37 PM   #53 
  - My union experiences  Indy_Dem_Defender   Jan-05-06 03:51 AM   #59 
  - Didn't UPS go on strike in defense of part time employee's?  B Calm   Jan-05-06 04:30 AM   #60 
  - I have heard this before and I think it may be due to the fact  bleedingheart   Jan-05-06 04:40 AM   #61 
  - I totally agree! The union is only as strong as their membership!  B Calm   Jan-05-06 04:49 AM   #62 
     - I think this was one of the reasons the SEIU broke off from the  bleedingheart   Jan-05-06 04:54 AM   #63 
  - Do the math correctly...  dumpbush   Jan-05-06 04:30 PM   #80 
     - reply to dumpbush  Indy_Dem_Defender   Jan-06-06 03:49 AM   #93 
  - disUnited Serfs of Amerika  greyhound1966   Jan-05-06 10:26 AM   #69 
  - UNIONS NEED TO BE MUCH STRONGER  savemefromdumbya   Jan-05-06 10:29 AM   #70 
  - absolutely  Douglas Carpenter   Jan-05-06 01:58 PM   #75 
  - whoa - some unions HAVE outlived their usefulness.  antifaschits   Jan-05-06 03:26 PM   #77 
  - You have any examples of this in the last ten years, or are you just  B Calm   Jan-05-06 03:50 PM   #78 
     - hell no. Chicago is a union town. Most, not all, are decent. but for the  antifaschits   Jan-05-06 04:02 PM   #79 
  - if regulatory agencies were allowed to enforce  melissinha   Jan-05-06 04:56 PM   #81 
  - Has any of the media coverage even mentioned the unions?  Strawman   Jan-06-06 09:15 AM   #97 
  - The media has been very quiet about placing blame on this  B Calm   Jan-06-06 03:31 PM   #99 
  - alaska air is a perfect example as well3 incidents with non union  flyarm   Jan-08-06 04:45 AM   #102 
  - AA and US AIR  Pavulon   Jan-08-06 10:14 AM   #107 
  - That and Walmart, and several other retail chains  mutley_r_us   Jan-08-06 05:30 AM   #104 
 

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